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My forebears are a complete mystery, below is a copy of the residents of the respective houses during both the 1871 and 1881 census.
1871
William Tolley b1823
Emma Hollis b1844
Ellen L Tolley b1856
Sarah L Tolley b1858
William Tolley b1862
Benj Hollis b1870
1881
William Tolley b1823
Mary Tolley b1837
Benj TOLLEY b1870
Mark Tolley b1872
The questions I have are, who is the mother of Ellen, Sarah, William and Ben? Mary and William didn't get married until 1873 (BMD) and who is Emma Hollis?
HELP please. :'(
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Have you not viewed the entry?
Emma is shown as his daughter in law. As she was single and can't be his daughter in law with the surname Hollis - that term was frequently used for step children. Have you checked William Tolley on earlier censuses as he was probably married to somebody who was formerly Hollis
Have you checked freebmd to see if there is a birth for Benjamin under Hollis or Tolley
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I read the daughter in law bit, but Benj's relationship is listed as unknown? I'll check for an earlier wife tomorrow as this has drained me completely tonight.
I had a look on BMD earlier and couldn't find a marriage between William Tolley and anyone with the surname Hollis between 1837 and 1870.
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Something strange here
Per freebmd
Marriages March qtr 1875
Emma Hollis Dudley 6c 169
William Tolley Dudley 6c 169
www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk shows it was at Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box)
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That would be them, or so it would seem.
Looks like I need some certificates.
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The 1873 marriage you found was to Ann Nash - see www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk
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Looks like I need some certificates.
Not necessarily - the venue for the 1875 marriage is known so can be looked up in parish records
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I assumed the 1873 one was Mary Upton as it is a Mary he lives with in the 1881 census?
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1861 census:
RG9/2040/16/30 - Eagle Lane, Tipton
William TOLLEY - Head - 39 - Lab - Upton, Worcs
Elizabeth TOLLEY - Wife - 39 - Tipton
Benjamin HOLLIS - Son - 18 - Tipton
Dina TOLLEY - Dau - 13 - Stoke Prior, Worcs
Lousia TOLLEY - Dau - 5 - Tipton
Sarah TOLLEY - Dau - 4 - Tipton
Alice TOLLEY - Dau - 8 mo - Tipton
1851
HO107/2047/50/7 - Stoke Prior, Worcs
William TOLLEY - Head - 29 - Farm Lab - Upton, Worcs
Elizabeth TOLLEY - Wife - 26 - Washerwoman - Tipton
Ann TOLLEY - Dau - 5 - Scholar - ??, Worcs
Dinah TOLLEY - Dau - 3 - Scholar - Stoke Prior
and...
HO107/2029/629/33 - Eagle Lane, Tipton
Elizabeth FOSTER - Head - Wid - 70 - Tipton
Joseph FOSTER - Son - Unm - 25 - Labourer in Ironworks - Tipton
Elizabeth HOLLIS - Dau - Unm - 30 - Washerwoman - Tipton
Benjamin HOLLIS - Grandson - 8 - Scholar - Tipton
Emma HOLLIS - Grandau - 3 - Scholar - Tipton
Elizabeth BROWN - Grandau - 7 - Scholar - Tipton
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Thanks for that Manchester Rambler, now I'm even more confused ???
Another look has me pretty convinced they are the wrong one's, as I have Benjamin as born in 1870.
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Freebmd has a possible marriage in 1845 to Elizabeth Keen registration district was Bromsgrove
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The 1845 marriage is on the IGI and was 2.3.1845 at Stoke Prior. As that is where William & Elizabeth are living in 1851 - I think it's the right marriage
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There are 2 different people called Benjamin HOLLIS - one born c1842 and one born c1870, but William TOLLEY (b. c1822 Upton) seems to be the same person on all censuses - ?
Louisa TOLLEY on the 1861 census seems to match ELLEN L in 1871, and Sarah TOLLEY on the 1861 census matches Sarah L in 1871.
Willaim TOLLEY is living in Eagle Lane, Tipton in 1861, Eagle St, Tipton in 1871, and Eagle Passage, Tipton in 1881.
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Utterly confusing, using the UKBMD link (thanks Carole) I have located a couple of people who should guide me in the right direction. Looks like a trip to Sandwell reg's office very soon.
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How about this birth from freebmd - I'll bet my pension that his mum is Emma Hollis
Births June qtr 1870 Benjamin Tolley Dudley 6c 31
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Oh, just found a marriage between William Tolley and Emma Hollis in 1875.
Seems like a bit of a ladies man my GGGfather.
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Oh, just found a marriage between William Tolley and Emma Hollis in 1875.
Seems like a bit of a ladies man my GGGfather.
That's the one I have already posted above
Something strange here
Per freebmd
Marriages March qtr 1875
Emma Hollis Dudley 6c 169
William Tolley Dudley 6c 169
www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk shows it was at Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box)
I think this is the death of first wife Elizabeth
Deaths September qtr 1868
Elizabeth Tolley aged 47 Dudley 6c 25
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How about this birth from freebmd - I'll bet my pension that his mum is Emma Hollis
Births June qtr 1870 Benjamin Tolley Dudley 6c 31
That's what I've been thinking. But who was the other kids mother(s)? bit of a rascal if you ask me. His birth registration has him as Tolley so I'm guessing William was the father, although on the census he appears as Hollis.
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There is a record of a marriage at the pepperbox between William Tolley and Elizabeth Hollies, we all know how names have changed over the years.
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To summarise
William Tolley married Elizabeth Keen in 1845 and they had the older children shown on the 1851/1861/1871 censuses
Elizabeth died in 1868 and William "took up" with Emma Hollis who appears to have had a son Benjamin b 1870 - William being the likely father
William married Emma Hollis in 1875
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There is a record of a marriage at the pepperbox between William Tolley and Elizabeth Hollies
That is the one I have already told you about above
You thought you were going mad before - just wait until you see this entry from freebmd
Births March qtr 1869
Benjamin Donald Hollies Dudley 6c 118
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Do I say thanks? For completely blowing my head apart?
Your help has been invaluable, particularly the link from which I know I will get the right answers via a couple of birth certificates, now I need to rest my weary eyes; thanks again.