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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: rescobie on Wednesday 29 December 10 10:53 GMT (UK)
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Trying to find info re my estranged fathers family.
Andrew Clark Harley married my mother Helen Lyall Robertson
on 6th January 1940 at Crown Hotel Cowdenbeath.Divorced 1946.
Address for Andrew....11,Whirlbut Crescent ,Dunfermline.
According to legend his father William & mother Janet had quite a large
family.
R.
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Hi
Scotlandspeople came up with two marriages for a William Harley -
1896 William Harley & Janet Arnott
1897 William Harley & Janet Farmer
There is a tree on Ancestry which is researching William Harley & Janet Farmer of course this could be yours.
Weemanswife
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Hi ,William Harley/Janet Farmer would be my paternal grandparents.
Any further info on them? I would be very interested.
Rescobie.
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Hi again.
William Harley aged 26 married Janet Farmer 20 on the 15 July 1897 at 35 Netherton Broad St., Dunfermline, Fife
That was also the address William gave as his ur. His Father was George Harley dec. and Helen Grieve.
Janet's parents were Robert Farmer, Carter and Grace Campbell decd.
William is down as a Gas Stocker and Janet is a Damask Weaver.
weemanswife
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Hi
Found another tree on Ancestry it lists children as George Harley b 1898,
Robert b.1900, William b1901, Nellie Grieve Harley born 30 Dec 1906 Dunfermline, died 11 Aug 1985 in Ashington, Northumberland. She married a John James Allan Clark b29 Sept 1903 and died 21 Apr 1982 at Dunfermline and there is a Linving Clark.
You will need to double check everything as things on Ancestry can be wrong.
weemanswife
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Hi
many thanks for your help,any records of their many children?,I have no
knowledge of any names!
R.
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Hi
Found the Birth Cert. of Andrew Farmer Harley b 1908 and he was a twin the other being Alexander Farmer Harley .
Andrew born at 3h. 50m pm 2 Nov 1908 and his twin at 3h 55m. born at 85 Priory Lane, Dunfermline.
Nellie Grieve Harley was also born at 85 Priory Lane, Dunfermline on the 30 Dec 1906.
Weemanswife
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Hi Weemanswife,
appreciate your assistance.
R.
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Hi R,
Have fouynd the following Births to William Harley & Janet Farmer
George Harley born 1 Sept 1897 - 35 Netherton, Broad St., Dunfermline
Grace Harley born 15 Sept 1898 - 14 Netherton, Broad St., Dunfermline
Robert Harley born 3 Aug. 1899 - 14 Netherton, Broad St., Dunfermline
William Harley born 5 Mar 1901 - 11 Moodie St., Dunfermline
John Campbell Harley born 2 Jan 1903 - 11 Moodie St., Dunfermline
James Farmer Harley born 22 Oct 1904 - 11 Moodie St., Dunfermline
Nellie Grieve Harley born 20 Dec 1907 - 85 Priory Lane, Dunfermline
Andrew Farmer Harley born 2 Nov 1908 - 85 Priory Lane , Dunfermline
Alexander Farmer Harley born 2 Nov 1908 - 85 Priory Lane, Dunfermline
Scotlandspeople came up with 41 Harleys born between 1897 & 1908 in Dunfermline Fife.
Tried a John Campbell Harley b 1903 but he wasn't the same parents.
If you would like copies of certificates pm your e-mail address and I will send them to you.
weemanswife
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Sorry made a mistake it was Robert Campbell Harley 1898 but it was the wrong one.
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Hi,
Joan contacted me through ancestry to let me know about this thread. I suspect that it was my "Farmer Family " tree on ancestry that was referenced earlier in this thread.
Robert Farmer (married to Grace Campbell) was my 3 X great-grandfather. I have a lot of supporting records for Robert, Grace and daughter Janet. I didn't really track Janet's children as I was primarily interested in the Farmer line.
If you are interested I have at least 3 more generations of Robert Farmer's ancestors, documented back to the 1750s. If you send me your email address I can give you access.
Regards, Lindsay
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Hi Weemanswife,appreciate all your research but when
Andrew Clark Harley married Helen Lyall Robertson at the Crown Hotel
Cowdenbeath on 6th January 1940 his age is given as 21 so his birth would have been around 1919.A Robert Farmer Harley is a witness so I presume
this could have been a brother or cousin.
Their respective addresses...11, Whirlbut Crescent & 15,Whirlbut Crescent
Dunfermline.Any further info on this family?
R.
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Hi Rescobie,
Andrew Farmer Harley listed previously born Nov 1908, also died in Dunfermline in 1908, an infant.. It seems a little weird to us nowadays, but it was not uncommon to re-use a name, if the first child died.
There is a birth record for Andrew Clark Harley born 1918 in Dunfermline, although the record image is not viewable from ScotlandsPeople.
Does the marriage record from 1940 for Andrew Clark Harley list William HArley and Janet FArmer as his parents - if so, then he is still part of this family group.
Hope this helps, Lindsay
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Hi Lindsay,
Yes William Harley & Janet Farmer were listed as his parents so it looks as though you are on the correct line.
Many thanks,
R.
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Have found an obituary for one Andrew Clark Harley on 11th Dec.2008
at Colchester aged 90 years & wondered if there was any way of checking the possibility of this being my father.....Andrew Clark Harley
born Dunfermline Fife 1918?
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English Death certificates can be order on-line from the General Register Office (GRO) for England & Wales at:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Certificates are 9.25 GBP (Pounds)
I have used this service, but don't know if there is any restriction on records as recent as 2008 ? I suggest you create an account and start entering the search data, to see if it will allow you to submit the request.
Good luck
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hello my name is paul goodey, i am andrew clark harley's grandchild.
sadly he is not with us anymore, but my mother marion (*) (maiden name (*)) has always expressed great interest in finding you, as she would be your half sister. she was an only child between andrew clark harley and elsie norris.
my grandfather was a wonderful man, and i miss him dearly everyday.
he liked to be referred to as jock, and was a tallented musician (moth organ and jewes harp) and the heart and soul of a party, and partial to his wiskey!
im not sure you are still using this site but i pray you get this, so i can tell you all the questions you may wish to know about your father
kindest regards
paul goodey.
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if anyone else is reading this and can contact rescobie id really appreciate it, its taken us a very long time to get this far, and now im so close..
thanks
paul
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Hi Paul,I can hardly believe that after all these years of searching I have at last found my father.albeit too late for a meeting,
I must have been 3 or 4 years old when I last saw him in my grandparents home at Cowdenbeath.I was brought up by my maternal grandparents who adopted me after my birth mother remarried.
I would love to hear from you & your mother.
In anticipation,
Rena.
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hello rena!! its taken me so long to find you. my mothers always talked of you, i suspect shes always felt the need to meet her sister. its taken me a good few years of research.
i kept trying to find a rennie harley, rennie robbertson.
your father was, as i say, a great man. i feel so very sorry for you that you could not have met him before he passed. he passed away peacefully, in hospital.
your sister marion (my mother) was an only child from andrew and elsie,who had two children, myself and(*). we live in colchester, essex. we have always been proud of our scottish roots.
i have a 1 year old child named (*)!
my mother visited dunfermline last year, and will repeat the visit this year again.
my phone number is (*)
my mothers number is (*)
my email is my wifes,, (*)
all the very best
paul
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thanks Paul,do you think it would be ok if I phoned your mother?
Rena.x
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Hello rene
you can ring my mother.im very happy we found you.
Paul
Also have send u pic of my mother in ur email.
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Hi Paul
I have taken off a number of personal details from your second last post. RootsChat's guidelines stress the importance of protecting your privacy and identity online (and that of anybody mentioned who may be living).
RC have a Personal Message service (PMs) which I have linked above. Both you and Rena now have enough posts and this has been activated. PMs are a great (only ::)) way to exchange very personal info including personal emails.
This is all done to protect you from online abuse etc.
Great that you and Rena have been able to make contact ;)
Monica
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Thanks, that makes sense, im normally quite careful with details but i just got carried away.
Thanks for everything
paul
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Paul, I understand. Sounds like it has been a long road for you all to connect the dots. How exciting it must be now :)
Monica
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Many thanks Rootchat for finding long lost relatives.
R.