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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: marbee2 on Tuesday 28 December 10 19:20 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am trying to trace family from Aghabog in county Monaghan Ireland, and was trying to find family of William Carson who married Ellen Irwin (nee Mcdowl.).04/12/1907. I believe William Carson to be from Killigraggy, and basically that is all I know about this man who was my husbands grandfather. I know that Ellen McDowl married a man named John Irwin, but believe he was killed, and Ellen then married William Carson. Ellens mothers name was Sarah McDowl...but I can find no information about the Carson family and would be grateful for any help
Many thanks
Marie
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Hello Marie,
welcome to rootschat :)
Have you checked the Irish census?
This looks like Ellen in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Aghabog/Drumbrea/1632710/
Still looking for William.
heywood
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http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
has the marriage I think
Oct- Dec 1907 Coothill Vol 3 pg 125
You could send for the certificate to get William's details if you don't have them.
I can't find Killigraggy - where does this information come from?
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Hi thanks fopr your reply, I will have a look at the census, and the information I have about William Carson, marrying Ellen Irwin are as follows
Ellen then met and married William Carson in Aghabog Co Monaghan, details of marriage as follows
04/12/1907 William Carson aged 21, bachelor, labourer, from Killagraggy, Aghabog, Co Monaghan. His father is also William from Drumlinny, Aghabog.
Ellen Irwin aged 30, widow, from Drumbrain, Aghabog, Co Monaghan, and that is the only information I have on William.. I am trying to find any brothers and sisters or who his parents were etc but I don't know how to search Irish records, so any help would be so greatly appreciated
regards
Marie
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Hello again,
now you have given his age- there is a William aged 14 yrs in 1901 - ages weren't always accurate so it could be him. Unfortunately he is not with family.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Aghabog/Corranewy/1632768/
If you look at the census, you can try different searches. I just tried searching for people in Drumlinny but there are no Carsons there.
Did William and Ellen leave Ireland before 1911?
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Here is an introduction to Irish records
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html
Griffiths Valuation
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php and/or
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php
(taken about 1850s)
has a William Carson, Drumlinny, Aghabog
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I think Killagraggy is written as Killygragy in 1901 census.
There are Carsons there but no Williams.
Are there any Carson witnesses at the marriage?
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Williams father is the witness....listed as John J Carson, of Killigraggy is listed on the marriage certificate...Killigraggy, Aghabog
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I thought you said his father was William from Drumlinny :-\
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1901 census has a John J Carson 38 yrs in Killygragy with a son John J 8 yrs son.
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Sorry about the wrong information saying his father was William. I found the photo copy of the marriage, and thats where it said John J.
I will look at that census record...sounds like the right family. If William was only 14 in 1901, he could quite possibly have a younger brother of 8. I wonder who his mother was...is she listed.
I will look at that census you mention...many thanks
Marie
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Yes, I think she is - you will be able to find them on the census- the link was given earlier.
Does the marriage certificate have an occupation for William's father?
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0az3/ for 1901 census.
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Thank you so much Heywood and Hallmark. The information you have sent me is fantastic, and has given me the exact information I have been seeking for so long. I am really grateful and just thank you seems so little....my appreciation for your help is boundless.
Very well done you both
I am rapt.
regards
Marie
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Hello again,
it's a pleasure :) i hope you can move on now.
Best wishes and a happy new year!
heywood
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A few extra there in 1911 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b0j/ and all Monaghan-Born Carsons for all-of-Ireland here in 1911 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b0k/
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Thanks yet again Hallmark...These in the first list are definitely the correct family, all I need to do now is find birth records and so on.
Thank you so very much for the links...most appreciated
regards
Marie
PS...sorry forgot to wish you a Happy and prosperous 2011
:-))
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I just noticed on the bottom of your message, a list of family names...among which is the name Baird. Do you have information on the Bairds as well??.
My married name is Baird and my husbands family are from around the Falkirk area....are you researching that name as well??
regards
Marie
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Hi Marie and a Happy New Year to you too.
Within the mix of people on my tree some married Bairds but in Monaghan. Rather than just do my own names I'm doing the families of those who married one of mine, who they married, so I'm getting 1st/2nd/3rd cousins marrying each other which would be missed as the surnames would be completely different..here's a pic of Aghabog church and g/yard.. very few g/stones there and none for your names.
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Hi Dave
Happy New Year to you and your family, and brilliant you sent these 2 photos, that is awesome, and thank you so very much....your help has enabled me to find another whole set of family members to research...its fantastic. The William Carson whom I am researching, turned out a bit of a "jack the lad" as well. He moved with Ellen Irwin and her 3 children to Scotland (not sure what date he went to Scotland yet); anyway he and Ellen had 4 more children, my husbands mother (Ellen Carson) being one of those children; then William went off to America on his own. Ellen was told that her father had been lost in the Iowa floods...so believed her father to be dead, but we have found passenger shipping records of him coming backward and forward to Scotland several times, and then we found him in American census records etc, and he didn't die in actual fact till he was about 80 years old.....so he lived for about 35 years in America. This ancestry is such a mystery tour finding things out...its so obsessive...and I'm now addicted. Like yourself I am studying my own family history, both maternal and paternal, and also doing my husbands on both sides...its just huge where this all leads, and we have found some wonderful skeletons in the wardrobe that's for sure.
Anyway I truly appreciate your wonderful help and would really like to take a trip across to Monaghan maybe this summer with my husband, just so we can see and get a feel for where our ancestors came from, and in the meantime I will keep searching the names I have now...thanks to you, and I may even come across some relatives who live over there
I'll keep in touch and let you know how and where the journey takes me
regards
Marie
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You're welcome Marie. Thank goodness for the Jack the lads in the family! They certainly liven up the tree, every family should have one..
Certainly if you were to attend the church and got talking to people there will be at least one there who would have the family history, dates are just dates...
All the best for 2011.
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cheers Dave, and all the best to you as well in 2011. I'm still researching and finding such a lot more
regards
Marie ::)