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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: rescobie on Tuesday 28 December 10 12:38 GMT (UK)
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researching the family of James Innes ,ST Monance[old spelling]Fife
any info would be a great help.
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It might help if you tell us which james Innes you are looking for. I have several in my tree, so maybe you can post birth date and parents names and maybe what info you after ...
regards
Sid
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Hi SID,
Researching Innes family for my husband.
Paternal grandfather..James Allan Innes Spouses name unknown!!!!
Maternal grandfather..James(Reekie?)Innes,Spouse Catherine maiden
name unknown.
Maternal grandfather had fishing boat named the Sunshine.
Lived in Coal Wynd .
Any other info?
Rescobie.
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I'm interested in St. Monans families myself, so I've been poking around on Scotlandspeople. Usually you can solve all your BM&D queries online, but there are complications in this case.
I found a James Allan INNES, born in St. Monans in 1917, but it's a "no image available", meaning that his birth-certificate has not yet been digitised. You would have to go to Register House in Edinburgh to look at it.
He is no doubt the James Allan INNES who married Catherine ALLAN (a cousin?) at Dundee in 1940, but again it's "no image available", so I can't check who their parents were.
A James INNES and Elizabeth ALLAN were married in St. Monans in 1900, but I can't prove that they were your ancestors.
Both these surnames have been common in St. Monans for a long time. My secondary school in Anstruther (Waid Academy) drew its pupils from all the villages in the East Neuk of Fife, and I knew lots of kids from St. Monans. In my class there was an Evelyn INNES and a Gilbert ALLAN, both from St. Monans, and Gilbert's father had been in my dad's class in the 1920s. The school secretary was a Jean ALLAN from St. Monans.
I have some distant family connections with St. Monans ALLANS.
Harry
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Researching the family of James Innes , St Monance [old spelling] Fife ... any info would be a great help.
I too have St Monance INNES folk in my tree back to 1792 ... just one is JAMES INNES, b. 29.5.1848 d. 1918 who married ISABELLA DAVIDSON b. abt 1846 d. 1927 who had NINE bairns : John, George, James, Alexander, John, David, Chapman, Allan and Agnes between 1868 and 1886.
They married in St Monance on 2 Oct 1868 and young John appeared 29 days later! Sadly he died in 1871.
I could send a lot of information if you're interested, but you'll have to PM me with your email address so I can send it.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
PS Incidentally 'ST MONANCE' is the modern spelling and 'ST MONANS' is the old spelling ;)
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Or to be more precise, St. Monance was the modernised spelling in the second half of the twentieth century, but at some date which I've forgotten, they went back to the old spelling of St. Monans, which is now the modern spelling!
I think Provost Jimmy Braid might have been responsible for that spelling change.
Harry
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Hi saw one of your old posts on innes family st monance, I believe you mentioned that you have a lot of info which i would appreciate access to, I am the grandson of agnes innes died 1964. Please advise if you can help kind regards Alex
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Hi Ajmion
We will need a bit more information so we can help you.
Agnes Inns ... When born,, Parents names etc. etc
regards
Sid
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Hi saw one of your old posts on innes family st monance, I believe you mentioned that you have a lot of info which i would appreciate access to, I am the grandson of agnes innes died 1964. Please advise if you can help kind regards Alex
The Agnes Innes who died in Methilhaven home, Methil, in 1964 was married to Alexander McKenzie. Her death was registered by her son John McKenzie of London.
Agnes Innes was 77 in 1964, and was the daughter of James Innes, fisherman, and Isabella Davidson, married 1868 at St. Monans.
James Innes was the son of John Innes and Margaret Chapman Fyall.
Isabella Davidson was the daughter of John Davidson and Agnes Allan.
You have a fine crop of St. Monans names there.
Harry
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James innes and Isabella innes married 02 10 1868, they lived in st monans fife scotland, my grandmother agnes innes was their daughter, she said she had 8 brothers, however we can find 7 george,james,alexander,John,david,chapman,allan, it has been suggested there is an Andrew, alternatively it is suggested that john their first born died early and there was another john. Would appreciate your advice. Kind regards alec mackenzie
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Have you looked for a birth/death on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
That site shows a birth in 1872 for an Andrew Innes in St Monance but you need to buy credits to see if the parents match
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Another possibility is a John Innes born 1868 in St Monance ref 454/21 died 1871 in St Monance Ref 454/21 all on scotlandspeople as listed by CaroleW
From your surname of Mackenzie did your grandmother Agnes Innes marry a Mackenzie? Was she born around 1887 and die in 1964? If so there is a photograph of the Headstone on Find A Grave in Pitenweem Cemetery.
Welcome to Rootschat
Dorrie
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From FamilySearch, there are three births in St Monance to James Innes and Isabella Davidson, who were married in St Monance on 2 October 1868
John, 31 October 1868
George, 29 September 1870
James, 22 September 1872
John Innes, aged 2, died in St Monance in 1871.
In the 1881 census (transcription) James Innes, 32, and Isabella Innes, 35, are in St Monance with George, 14; James, 8; Alexander, 6; John, 4; and David, 1.
In 1891, the census index lists James Innes, 44; Isabella Innes, 44; George, 20; James, 18; Alexander, 16; John, 14; David, 11; Chapman, 8; Allan, 7 and Agnes, 4.
In 1901 the index lists James, 52; Isabella, 54; Chapman, 19; Allan, 17; Agnes, 14.
So the full list is George, John, James, Alexander, John, David, Chapman, and Allan, and yes the first John did die and a later son was named John.
You should go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and download the marriage certificate (which will tell you the names of James' and Isabella's parents including their mothers' maiden surnames) and the 1911 census, which will tell you how many children Isabella had had and how many were still living.
You might also view the birth certificates of all the children, the death certificate of the first John, and the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 190 census to make sure that the indexes and transcription are correct (for example there is an error in George's age in 1881, when he would have been 10, not 14, years old).
You could also look for the deaths of James' and Isabella's parents. If they died after 1855, that will tell you the names of Agnes' grandparents including her grandmothers' maiden surnames.
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I see that I have been duplicating existing efforts, as the information I ferreted out this morning had already been stated on a different thread (now merged with this one) nine years ago.
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Hi all,
Found this link to Margaret Innes through Google while searching for my grandfather's brother William Fogarty.
William was born in 1898 in Templmore Co Tipperary, Ireland. I am not sure of how he ended up in Kirkcaldy.
What I do have is his marriage certificate showing that he married Maggie Myles 3 June 1918 in St Monence.
Maggie's father James was stated as being deceased. Mother's name Elizabeth.
In the 1901 census Elizabeth is living with her mother Margaret Innes in West End St Monence.
Is there anyone with links to this family be it Fogarty, Myles or Innes?
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I had a look on Scotlandspeople. William Fogarty and Maggie Myles were married in 1918 at Crossroads, Methil, and it was a Catholic ceremony. Maggie was christened Maggie, not Margaret, which is unusual. She was born in 1898, the illegitimate daughter of Elspeth Myles, and Elspeth signs the birth certificate as Elspeth Myles. I suppose her husband James Myles was dead by then but of course she keeps Myles as her surname. No idea who the father of her child was.
William Fogarty is a private in the 463rd Ploughman Coy. (Company), which I must say I have never heard of before. Presumably farm labourers drafted into the army. At the time of his marriage he was living in Kilconquhar, of all the unlikely places.
Harry
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Here are the marriage certificate of Wm. Fogarty and Maggie Myles, and her birth certificate, if anybody wants to study them. There are some inconsistencies in this story. I can't find James Myles!
Harry
PS having problems sending, I'll try compressing the files and hope they will still be readable.
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The plot thickens. I noticed in the 1901 St.M. census that Maggie Myles's mother Elspeth Innes was "single", not a widow, and so was her mother. Elspeth herself was illegitimate, but a note in the Register of Corrected Entries shows that her natural father was Walter Myles, carter in Cellardyke. He himself was married, to Euphemia Grubb. I grew up in Cellardyke and members of the Myles family were still carters and hauliers then.
Harry
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The carters of Cellardyke were a wild bunch, often up before the local court, and Walter Myles was no exception. From the "Cellardyke Echo", the local Facebook page with extracts from old Anstruther newspapers:
"The Magistrates of Pittenweem held a Burgh Court on Tuesday, when a young Cellardyke carter, Walter Myles, was placed at the bar under the following circumstances:—It appears that on the previous day Myles and a cronie had been drinking in ” Willie Heugh’s public,” when, instead of calling in the other gill, he had gone to the spirit cellar and run off a bottle with which to continue the spree. The trick was complete, but at the moment, and when the coast was all but cleared, the landlord himself stood like a barricade in the doorway, from which the poor carter only emerged in the custody of the constable. On being asked to plead to the indictment, “I was sae drunk,” said he, “that I ken naething about it.” Eventually, however, he admitted the charge of theft, when, after the Bench consulted together, Provost Henderson said that it was the recognised rule to punish theft with imprisonment, but the Magistrates had been induced to make an exception in the present case for the sake of the culprit’s father, to whom he made a feeling allusion, which was evidently not lost on the better part of the unhappy panel, who was then sentenced to pay a fine of 15s, or twenty days in jail, His friend and brother whip from Anstruther, David Parker, was next at the bar charged with a breach of the peace by cursing and swearing and causing a tumult at the lock-up door, which, however, had been summarily ended by the constable thrusting him into a vacant cell as soon as he had disposed of the other culprit. Parker also pleaded guilty, and after a pointed reprimand was fined in the sum of 7s 6d, with the alternative of eight days in jail. The fines were paid."
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Hello hdw,
I send my sincere apologies on only replying to your wealth of information which you furnished me with.
I'm only trying to get back to searching after loosing some interest during my mother's passing and my father been diagnosed with Dementia.
My father is the last of his family and thankfully he helped with a lot of information on his parents.
The William Fogarty is my grandfather brother on my mother side and she had lots of information regarding the Fogarty's.
Thanks again for your help
Noel Gorman
Dublin Ireland
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I'm sorry to hear of your family troubles. I lost both my parents a long time ago and more recently both my elder sisters have died.
I had forgotten about this correspondence and have just re-read it from the start. If anyone still has queries about St. Monans ancestors I'll try to help.
Harry