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In a lull of waiting for certificates before resuming my own family research, I wandered about the census and found, I think ...
1871 - Anthony Trollope, 53, occupation: Author and Novelist living with his wife Rose and numerous servants in Chesant, Herts. Author of, among others, Barchester Towers.
1871 - Hannah Cullwick, 37, Cook, b. Shiffnall, Shropshire. Servant at the home of Elizabeth Henderson, Colonel's Widow plus staff including a page in Paddington. (A life-long servant, Hannah Cullwick had an illicit and sexually erotic liaison and then marriage to the novelist Arthur Munby - he was 'intrigued by servant women in soiled clothing' as the book, Love and Dirt: The Marriage of Arthur Munby and Hannah Cullwick indicates).
You would have thought I'd had enough of the census looking for my lot!! ;D
Interesting though ... any more?
Regards
Jonathan
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:D :D :D
S'funny you should say that, but whilst researching for a friend, I came across George Bernard Shaw on the 1901 Census
10 Adelphi Terrace
St Martin in the Field
George B Shaw/Head/44/Author/Ireland
Charlotte P Shaw/Wife/44/Ireland
Mary Farmer/Servant/35/Cook/Bromley by Bow,London
Annie Kilner/Servant/27/Housemaid/Surrey
:D :D :D
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Jonathan!!
What HAVE you been reading?? :o
We thought genealogy was your only vice! LOL
Arranroots
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1881 - RG11 0078 56 46
Oscar Wilde boarding in Chelsea with Frank Miles (society portrait painter). Apparently this was the year Wilde's first collection of poetry was published.
I somehow think I will be sat here til the early hours now :)
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Arranroots,
A mere interest in social history I assure you ;D
The story of Hannah Cullwick was touched on in 'The Victorian House' by Judith Flanders in her section on The Scullery I believe, so I did a bit more reading - fascinating stuff.
Jonathan
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In an idle moment I looked up the 1901 census for the road I grew up in, a dirt track on the edge of the forest. At one end of it there was a hotel and on census night there were only three guests in residence.
Ashdown Forest Hotel, Forest Row, East Sussex
Arthur C Doyle, marr, 41, Physician.
Jean E Lechie, single, 27. (his mistress)
Mary J Doyle, widow, 63. (his mother)
Phil
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I found the famous cricketer W.G. Grace at 7 Laurie Park Road, Lewisham - physician and secretary of the London County Cricket Club. On Saturday I walked past the house in Mottingham Lane which has a plaque commemorating him. 8)
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Jonathan! Shame on you. You've given me a bad excuse to stay up all night!
How about Charlie Chaplin age 2 in 1891
Surrey
St Mary Newington Walworth
94 Barlow St
Hannah Chaplin Head Mar 24 professional singer music Surrey Walworth
Sydney S H? Chaplin son 6 Surrey Walworth
Charles Chaplin 2 Surrey Walworth
More, more, more
Pam
;D
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Here's William Ewart Gladstone First Lord of the treasury in 1871...
RG10/357
Strand
Charing Cross
St Martin in the Fields
William E Gladstone 61 Head Gladstone First Lord of the treasury bn Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William H Gladstone 30 Son Mp - JP bn London, Middlesex, England
Agnes Gladstone 28 Daughter bn London, Middlesex, England
Helen Gladstone 21 Daughter bn Harwardine, Flintshire, Wales
And a passel of servants!
Pam
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And HG Wells sponging of his aunt in 1891 ;)
RG12/118
St Pancras London
46 Fitzroy Rd
Wells, Mary 54 Head wid Donhead, Wiltshire
Wells, Isabel Mary 35 Daughter photograph ? bn Donhead, Wiltshire
Wells, Herbert G 24 Nephew magazine worker (over written Author) bn Bromley, Kent
I'm tired now...
P ;D
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Okay last coulpe.
Florence Nightingale in 1871
RG10/101
St George Hanover Square
Mayfair
35 South St
Florence Nightingale 50 Head Unmar Director of Nightingale nurses bn Italy (BS)
Living with her are a private maid, cook and 2 upper maids
And finally
Arthur Wharton...
RG12/3850
Rotherham
Kimberworth
53 Albert St (Albert Tavern)
Arthur Wharton 25 Head Mar Landlord pub bn West Africa
Emma Wharton 25 Wife Mar bn Rotherham Yorks
..+ 1 servant
Who he you ask?
Well he is a forgotten great. The reputed first black footballer in Britain (if you ignore the Scottish player Andrew Watson!) Here's his biography.
Arthur Wharton was born in Ghana in 1865; his father was half Grenadian and half Scottish, and his mother was from Ghanaian royalty. In 1882 Arthur moved to England to train as a missionary, but quickly became bored with the academic and religious life and left school to pursue a sporting career.
A talented athlete, he set a new world record for the 100 yard dash (10 seconds) at Stamford Bridge in 1886. This success gave him the opportunity to compete in professional athletics tournaments, where he was able to make a living from appearance fees. His abilities also brought him to the attention of various professional football clubs
He was first signed as a semi professional player with Preston North End in 1886, as goalkeeper. His highpoint with Preston was to make it to the FA Cup semi finals in 1887 where they lost 3-1 to West Bromwich Albion. There was speculation at the time that Arthur was good enough to play for England, but he was never considered for the position by the FA, due in part to the racial prejudice of the time.
He turned fully professional in 1889, when he signed for Rotherham United, and in 1894, Sheffield United poached him. Unfortunately, the move was not a success; he was getting older, and was competing with United's new and younger goalkeeper, Bill "Fatty" Foulke.
Arthur's career then drifted as he moved from club to club to try and make a living. At the same time, he started drinking heavily, and eventually retired from football in 1902. His life after retirement was not happy, and Arthur Wharton died in 1930, a penniless alcoholic who had spent the last 15 years of his life as a colliery haulage hand.
His story was uncovered in 1997 by the Sheffield United based project, "Football Unites Racism Divides". His unmarked grave in Edlington has been given a headstone, and his picture was included in an exhibition of British Sporting Heroes at the National Portrait Gallery.
From here...
http://www.100greatblackbritons.com/bios/arthur_wharton-andrew_watson.html
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Interesting entries. I didn't know about Arthur Wharton, thanks for adding the bio Pam. Great stuff.
Jonathan
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Right, I made a real effort to ignore this thread but after reading Pam's last posting, I remembered somebody I already knew about:
Walter Daniel TULL - Professional footballer and the first black officer in the British Army
1891 census
50 Walton Rd, Folkestone, Kent
Daniel TULL head mar 35 carpenter b.Barbados
Alice wife 38 b.Hougham
William son 9 b.Folkestone
Lettitia dau 7 b.Folkestone
Edward son 4 b.Folkestone
Walter son 2 b.Folkestone
RG12/750 folio 79 page 78
Walter's mother died 1895, his father remarried 1896 and then he died 1897. Walter was placed into care became a professional footballer, a WW1 soldier, first black officer in the British Army and then, very sadly, died 1918.
I just couldn't leave him out!
Casalguidi
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This one is interesting. 1881 census. Insert First Name: The, Last Name: Queen, Civil Parish: Windsor. ;D
I didn't find it myself but I came upon this site (rather spoils our fun, but ...)
http://www.censusuk.co.uk/famous.htm
Have fun
Jonathan
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Probably done before but found this....
Newington St. Mary 1891 (Surrey) - 94 Barlow Street
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[H] Hannah Chaplin - 24 - Married - Professional Singer - born Walworth, Surrey
Sydney J. H. Chaplin - 6 - born Walworth, Surrey
Charles Chaplin - 2 - born Walworth, Surrey
:)
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;D Elvis Arron Presley
Born Tupelo Mississippi USA 8th January 1935 ;D
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You left yourself wide open for that one smouse ;D ;D ;D
Su
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Sorry smouse - it had been posted ;D Nay mind.
Here's an interesting article I found in the Times when the 1861 census came online...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1506446,00.html
Pam
;D
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Really interesting article that,
Thank you
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For anybody familiar with the life of Queen Victoria - you will notice John Brown on the second page of residents at Windsor Castle in 1881. Billy Connolly played John Brown in the film 'Mrs Brown', along side Judi Dench who played the old Queen Vick ;D
Ryan.
:)
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I started reading this with a bit of interest and thought oh yeah... oh well...
But then I started thinking about it a bit more and did a bit of my own digging in the 1881 Census...
Census Place: Royal Navy, At sea or in a foreign port.
Vessel: "Bacchante"
George (H.R.H.) PRINCE OF WALES U 15 M London Marlborough House, London, Middlesex, England Occ: Midshipman
Albert Victor (H.R.H.) PRINCE OF WALES U 17 M Frogmore Windsor Occ: Midshipman
interesting... but they weren't the only ones...
Vessel: "HMS Eclipse"
PRINCE OF WHALES U 21 M Cavisham Isld Naturalized British Subject Occ: Seedie Boy
Jack SUNDAY U 39 M Naturalized British Subject, Liberia Occ: Head ...Roomman
ad how about a few of these names....
Vessel:"Flora"
Sea BREEZE U M Kroo Country British Subject Occ: Krooman
Flying JIB U M Kroo Country British Subject Occ: Krooman
Tom PETER (1) U M Kroo Country British Subject Occ: Krooman
Tom PETER (2) U M Kroo Country British Subject Occ: Krooman
Jim DOE U M Kroo Country British Subject Occ: Krooman
Jim JIM U M Kroo Country British Subject Occ: Krooman
Jack SRAGULL U M Kroo Country British Subject Occ: Krooman
PRINCE OF WALES U M Kroo Country British Subject Occ: Krooman
Jack ROPEYARN U M Kroo Country British Subject Occ: Krooman
a few of the above appear on another vessel (but then again, maybe not):
Vessel: "Boadicea"
Tom COCOA U 24 M Sierra Leone Occ: Krooman
Tom PETER (1) U 36 M Sierra Leone Occ: Krooman
Tom PETER (2) U 24 M Sierra Leone Occ: Krooman
Tom TREE U 32 M Sierra Leone Occ: Krooman
Tom PUNCH U 31 M Sierra Leone Occ: Krooman
Flying JIB U 25 M Sierra Leone Occ: Krooman
PRINCE U 20 M Sierra Leone Occ: Krooman
Jim CROW U 23 M Sierra Leone Occ: Krooman
King SOLOMON U 25 M Sierra Leone Occ: Krooman
that's my contribution..
Libby
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at 3 Chester Road (1 Quayton Terrace) Stretford, Lancashire
Richard Marsden PANKHURST Head M Male 44 Stoke, Stafford Barrister In Active Practice
Emiline PANKHURST Wife M Female 22 Manchester, Lancashire
Christobel Harriet PANKHURST Daur Female 6 m Stretford, Lancashire
& their 2 servants probably sisters
Katherine Jane KNEOLE Servant U Female 18 Kirk Lonan, Isle of Man, England Cook (Domestic)
Amelia Ann KNEOLE Servant U Female 16 Kirk Lonan, Isle of Man, England Housemaid (Domestic)
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Excellent shout sharren1837 - what year is that?
Pam
;D
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Right near the beginning we had George Bernard Shaw in his own establishment in 1901.
But here he is in 1881:
Lucinda E SHAW, Head (Lodger), Married, 50, b Ireland, Teacher of Singing (Music)
George B. SHAW, Son, Unmarried, 24, b Ireland, Author Writer of Fiction
at 37 Fitzroy St, London.
The previous family, at the same address (their landlord?) was George B. [yes!] FINALY, a [mere?] Railway Clerk and his family.
JAP
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thanks for pointing out that, Pam
:-[ its 1881 :-[
Sharren :-[
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Princess Di's ancestor - how the other half lived, eh!
At Spencer House and Stables, London in 1881
John Poyntz (Earl) SPENCER, 45, Peer Lord President of the Council
Charlotte F F (Countess) SPENCER, 45, Peeress
Hugh (Viscount) FORTESCUE, 26, Private Secretary, a Visitor
and to keep the Earl and Countess in the manner to which they were accustomed, a modest staff comprising ...
a House Steward
a Housekeeper
a Maid
a Valet
3 Footmen
a Porter
2 Domestic Servants
an Under Butler
2 Kitchen Maids
3 Laundry Maids
a Still Room Maid
5 House Maids
(also present was a visiting Salesman!).
JAP
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Again in 1881 we find living at 15 Devonshire Terr. London, Middlesex: (Obviously got fed up with designing ships & the like)
Isambard BRUNEL Head M Male 43 B: Westminster St Margaret, Middlesex, Chancellor Docese D C L Of Ely Barrister At Last
Georgina I.D. BRUNEL Wife M Female 45 B: Scotland
William D. CAMPBELL Br In Law M Male 51 B: Canada Notary Public (Barrister)
Elizabeth ROBINSON Serv U Female 45 B: Oxford, Cook
Maria HINSCONAN Serv U Female 25 B: West Dean, Hampshire, Housemaid
Mary WILLIAMS Serv U Female 23 B: Rowton, Shropshire, Parlor Maid
Sharren
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1871 census
Stonyhurst College Educational Establishment, Clitheroe, Chipping
Arthur Doyle aged 11 scholar born mid lothian edinburgh
edward purbrick was his principal
andy
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Re Brunel above. This Isambard is actually is actually Isambard Kingdom's son.
The only reason I know this is that I have been researching my husband's gg-grandfather, an irrascible and eccentric engineer named Robert Mudge Marchant. I came across this note on a web page:
The Battle of Mickleton Tunnel took place in the Vale of Evesham in 1851 when Brunel’s private army of 3,000 navvies fought the army of a disgruntled contractor who was backed by the forces of the local magistrates and armed police. The contractor, Mudge-Marchant, had stopped work on the tunnel as he was owed £34,000 by the Oxford, Worcester & Wolverhampton Railway. Brunel, as company engineer, had been instructed to evict Mudge-Marchant and his men who had commandeered the site. (Mudge-Marchant was, coincidentally, Brunel’s second cousin). This is thought to have been the last battle fought by private armies on British soil.
I was intrigued about the detail about the two being second cousins and have since managed to establish the link!
Ros
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Here's Thomas Hardy in 1881:
Dwelling 1 Trinity Road
Census Place Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341153
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0659 / 91
Page Number 5
Thomas HARDY Head M Male 40 Brockhampton, Dorset, England Author & Novelist
Emma L. HARDY Wife M Female 35 Plymouth, Devon, England
Mary HAND Servant U Female 34 Melbury, Dorset, England Servant Domestic
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And here's a good one.
The future Prime Minister in the household of his Uncle Richard in 1881:
Dwelling 3 Tanygrisiau Ter
Census Place Criccieth, Caernarvon, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342334
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5555 / 26
Page Number 19
Richard LLOYD Head U Male 46 Criccieth, Caernarvon, Wales Pastor Of A Christian Church
Elizabeth LLOYD Sister W Female 52 Criccieth, Caernarvon, Wales Formerly Farmers Wife
Mary Ellen GEORGE Niece Female 19 Newchurch, Lancashire, England Formerly Farmers Daughter
David Ll. GEORGE Nephew U Male 18 Manchester, Lancashire, England Solicitors Articled Clerk
William GEORGE Nephew Male 16 Llanystumdwy, Caernarvon, Wales Scholar
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Hi All
" Found" this one some time ago and it as always stuck in my mind.
Joseph"John" Carey Merrick better known as the Elephant man
1881 RG11-3172-F "Leicester Union Workhouse" Sparkenhoe St Leicester
Joseph Merrick inmate single 19 Hawker born Leicester
"Tis true my form is something odd,
But blaming me is blaming God;
Could I create myself anew
I would not fail in pleasing you.
If I could reach from pole to pole
Or grasp the ocean with a span,
I would be measured by the soul;
The mind's the standard of the man."
now of to find a more cheerful subject.
peterbennett
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Two musicians for the price of one in 1901 - Vaughan Williams and Gustave Holst.
10 Barton St, Westminster
Ralph V Williams 28 Down Ampney, Wiltshire, England Head Music Teacher
Gustavus T Von Holst 26 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Trombone Player
Lily Diamond 20 Middlesex, England Servant
RG13/91; Folio 16; Page 23
MR
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i was looking through 1837whites directories for keighley, saw tetley tea dealers, might not be THE tetley but humoured me anyway.
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WW1 poet, Wifred Owen:
7 Elm Grove, Birkenhead
Thomas Owen 38 Nantwich, Cheshire, England Head
Harriet S Owen 34 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Wife
Wilfred E Owen 8 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Son
Mary M Owen 4 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Daughter
William H Owen 3 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son
Colin S Owen 8 months Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Son
Jennie Radley 17 Oxton, Cheshire, England Servant
RG13/3395; Folio 82; Page 25
MR
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Hey Manchester Rambler - is that Diamond Lil you have there with your musicians!! :o ;D ;D
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Hey Manchester Rambler - is that Diamond Lil you have there with your musicians!! :o ;D ;D
The brass section always know the best bars - maybe they found her in one? :D
(Unintentional musical pun there... ::))
MR
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Englands finest composer (my opinion) as a young man.
Martin W. Grafton head 31 grocers shopkeeper Alcester, Warwickshire
Suzanna Grafton wife 26 Worcestershire
May C.M. Grafton daug 1 Worcestershire
Ellen Bytheway servant 16 servant Stanton Lacy, Shropshire
Edward W. Elgar Boarder 23 professor of the violin Broadheath, Worcestershire
RG11-2932-f 82 Chestnut Walk Claines Worcestershire
peterbennett
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Another musician: the future conductor of the Hallé orchestra Sir John Barbirolli as a baby in 1901.
37/38 Drury Lane
Antonio Barbirolli 61 Italian Subject, Italy Head Musician
Rosina Barbirolli 60 Italian Subject, Italy Wife
Lorenzo Barbirolli 36 Italian Subject, Italy Son Musician
Louise Barbirolli 30 French Subject, France Son's Wife
Rosa Barbirolli 4 Soho, London, England Daughter
Giovanni B Barbirolli 1 St Giles, London, England Son
Lisetta Barbirolli 32 Italian Subject, Italy Sister
Ruggero Cassini 13 Italian Subject, Italy Visitor
Artaro Fossati 25 Italian Subject, Italy Lodger Musician
Lodovico Furlairetto 28 Italian Subject, Italy Lodger Musician
Edith Chandeller 19 N, England Servant
RG13/240; Folio 88; Page 12
MR
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Source information: RG13/5259 Registration district: Festiniog Sub-registration district:
Festiniog ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Folio: 47, page 12
1901 Wales Census
Ysgwrn,
Trawsfynydd, Merionethshire
Evan Evans 47, Head, farmer Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
Mary Evans 36 Wife, farmers wife Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
Ellis H Evans 14, Son farmers son Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
Davids Evans 12, Son at school Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
Mary Evans 11 Daur at school Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
Kate Evans 9 Daur at school Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
Robert Llewelyn Evans 2 Son Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
Maggie Evans Daur Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
Robert Evans 42 Brother Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
Kate Kilner 14 Servant Trawsfynydd MER, lang: Welsh
In 1917, the large Welsh community on Merseyside staged the National Eisteddfod at Birkenhead. The winner of the Chair was Ellis Humphrey Evans (whose bardic name was Hedd Wynn) who had been killed on 31 July 1917 in France fighting with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. The winning chair was draped in black. A collection of the dead poet's work, "Cerddi'r Bugail" (Poems of the Shepherd) was published in 1918
He lived as a shepherd at Yr Ysgwrn farm in Trawsfynydd. He won several local eisteddfod chairs, and very nearly won the chair at the 1916 National Eisteddfod. Reluctantly conscripted into the Army in 1917, he wrote his award-winning poem Yr Arwr (The Hero) whilst in training, completing all the entry details while on service in France. He died on the first day of the Battle of Passchendale.
http://www.powell76.freeserve.co.uk/heddwyn.htm
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Here's another future prime minister in 1881:
Dwelling 29 St James's Place
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341029
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0128 / 75
Page Number 38
Randolph (Lord) CHURCHILL Head M Male 32 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Member Of Parliament
Randolph (Lady) CHURCHILL Wife M Female 27 New York, United States
Winston (Master) CHURCHILL Son Male 6 Woodstock, Oxford, England Scholar
John CHURCHILL Son Male 1 Dublin Pheonix Park
Charles HOWARD Serv U Male 27 Tonbridge Wells, Sussex, England Butler Dom Serv
Frederick MARTIN Serv U Male 23 Canford, Dorset, England Footman
Elizabeth EVEREST Serv U Female 47 Chatham, Kent, England Nurse
Amelia LEGGE Serv U Female 30 Wimborne, Dorset, England Cook
Sarah MITCHELL Serv U Female 27 London Paddington, London, Middlesex, England Housemaid
Jane CLARK Serv U Female 17 Gilmorton, Leicester, England Kitchenmaid
Bessie GORTON Serv U Female 16 Haighworth, Wiltshire, England Nursery Maid
Rebecca SECRET Serv U Female 44 Alpington, Norfolk, England Ladys Maid
Anyone know what happened to little brother John?
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This is defiately my last today - it's nearly teatime.
Had to cross the Atlantic for this one in 1880 - shortly before the Gunfight at OK Corral.
Census Place Tombstone Village, Pima, Arizona
Virgil W. EARP Other M Male W 36 KY Farmer VA KY
Alley EARP1 Other M Female W 22 NEB Keeping House IRE ---
Wyatt S. EARP2 Other S Male W 32 IL Farmer VA KY
Mattie EARP3 Other M Female W 22 WI Keeping House --- ---
James C. EARP4 Other M Male W 39 KY Saloon Keeper VA KY
Bessie EARP5 Other M Female W 36 MO Keeping House --- ---
Hattie EARP6 Other S Female W 16 IA At Home KY MO
Notes
1REL WAS WIFE
2REL WAS BRO
3REL WAS WIFE
4REL WAS BRO
5REL WAS WIFE
6REL WAS DAU
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I remember reading the poems of Wilfred Owen in High school. Despite being about war, I rather enjoyed them, and I am not a fan of poetry in general. What year was that census entry, please?
BD
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The Wilfred Owen entry was from 1901 - sorry, I seem to have missed that off the ref! He was killed in 1918, just a week before the Armistice, so we'll never know what he might have written otherwise.....
MR
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Here is an eclectic bunch:
In 1901 Census:
David H Lawrence, 15, undefined employment status, living in Walker Street, Eastwood, Notts. ("Sons and Lovers", "Lady Chatterly", etc)
Siegfried Sassoon, 14, boarder at The Beacon School in Riverhead, Kent. (WW1 war poet)
Noel Coward, 1, Helmsdale, Teddington, Mddx (father, a music publisher's clerk). (Mad dogs and Englishmen...)
Alfred Hitchcock, 1, 517 Leytonstone Road, Leytonstone, Essex (Father a fruiterer shop owner). (Knife, knife...)
In 1881 Census:
William E. Gladstone, 71, Prime Minister, born Liverpool Lancashire, at 10 Downing Street, London, Middx. (Couldn't find Disraeli).
Deborah
All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright
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Has everyone else lost interest in this?
I've found Henry Irving (actor manager) in the 1881 census, age 43, at 15a Grafton Street, London, along with a lodger and several servants. His occupation at this time is "comedian".
His manager was a certain Bram Stoker (he of Dracula fame). In 1881 he was living at 27 Cheyne Walk, Chelsea, age 33, with his wife, brother and servants (including a nurse).
Then there's Mary Seacole (of Crimean War fame), 71 in 1881 (the year of her death) who was lodging at 3, Cambridge Street, Pimlico.
I spotted the Royal Yacht in 1881 in Portsmouth (I think) at some point when looking for a relative. Couldn't believe the number of staff of board (and HRH was at Windsor at the time) - went on for a number of pages!
Deborah
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Dimps - here is Benjamin Disraeli in 1881. He's going by his title - the First (& last) Earl of Beaconsfield. He also has a fleet of servants on the next page!
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
(Earl of K G) BEACONSFIELD Head W Male 75 London, Middlesex, England Ex Prime Minister
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Source Information:
Dwelling 19 Curzon St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341022
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0096 / 100
Page Number 6
One of my favourite Victorians ;D
Ryan.
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Another from 1881:
Florence Nightingale, 60, Directress Of Nightingale Fund For Training Hospital Nurses, b. Italy (British Subject)
Living at 10 South St, Mayfair with 4 servants.
RG11/0096; Folio 38; Page 29
MR
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Here's a future authoress in 1901 - love her or hate her, I'm sure practically all of us read her books as children!
RG13/688; Folio 96; Page 14
95 Chaffinch Road, Beckenham, Kent
Thomas Carey Blyton 31 Deptford, London, England Head Beckenham Kent
Theresa May Blyton 26 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife Beckenham Kent
Enid Mary Blyton 3 Dulwich, London, England Daughter Beckenham Kent
Hanley Harrison Blyton 1 Beckenham, Kent, England Son Beckenham Kent
MR
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Enid Blyton made me think about E(nid) Nesbit:
In 1881, living at 28 Elswick Road, Lewisham:
Edith Bland, Head, M, F, 22, Lambeth, Surrey, Authoress
Paul Cyril Bland, Son, M, 10m, Brockley, Kent
Sarah Nesbit, Mother, W, F, 63, Battle, Sussex
and a couple of servants, Elizabeths Rule and Knight from Cambridge and Hampshire, respectively.
I think this is husband Hubert (sometime bank clerk, then taking on his late father's business and later a journalist and writer) living at 46 Samuel Street, Woolwich:
Mary A Bland, Head, W, F, 61, Woolwich, Kent, Annuitant
Hubert Bland, Son, U, M, 25, Woolwich, Kent, Brush Maker
and a visitor and a servant.
In 1901, her household at Well Hall, Eltham, included:
Hubert Bland, Head, M, 45, Journalist and Author, Kent Woolwich
Edith Bland, Wife, M, 42, Doess (authoress), Kennington SE
Paul C Bland, Son, S, 20, Stock Exchange Clerk, Kent Brackley (Brockley)
Mary I Bland, Daughter, S, 19, Art Student, Kent Lewisham
Rosamund Bland, Daugher, S, 14, Kent Lee
John O Bland, Son, S, 1, Sussex Brighton
Alice Hodson (Hoatson), Visitor, S, 40, Yorks Halifax
Three years after Hubert's death, Enid married former Woolwich Ferry Captain, Tommy Tucker.
For those who are unfamiliar with this family, have a Google. I think it's rather sad. Try: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1445809,00.html#article_continue
Deborah
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Thanks for the link Deborah - what a fascinating account, if tragic.
Just goes to show, the bare facts of the census cannot give the full story.
Arranroots ;)
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Here goes....from the 1881.Not sure if they've been done:
Charles L DODGSON,49yrs, is a lodger at St Aldates St Ch,Ch Coll,Oxford St Aldate,Oxford.Occupation given as M.A. Student and Lecturer.
Better known as Lewis Carroll.
GRO Ref RG11,Piece/folio 1501/25 Page 44.
Wilkie COLLINS,57yrs, author, is widowed and living at 90 Gloucester Place,London.
GRO Ref RG11,Piece/folio 0147/42,Page 24.
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We've had the major establishment politicians of the day, so - on election results day - how about a couple of revolutionaries!
First, in 1861:
Thorncliffe Grove, Chorlton-upon-Medlock, Lancashire
Frederick Engels Lodger 40 Merchant b. Prussia "Short-sighted"(in disability column!)
Then in 1871:
Maitland Park Road, St Pancras
Karl Marx Head 52 Dr Ph Author (Political) b. Trèves, Prussia
Jenny Marx Wife 56 b. Talzwedel, Prussia
Jenny Marx Daughter 25 b. Paris, France
Eleanor Marx Daughter 16 b. London, England
Helene Demeth Servant 46 b. St Wendel, Prussia
MR
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Marx had a servant?! :o
Then again, it was the 19th Century - most richer people did have servants.
Is Treves another name for Trier, where Marx was born in 1818?
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Found by Googling: treves
Stadt Trier - City of Trier - La Ville de Trèves
???
b. Trèves, Prussia
???
At the Congress of Vienna the city and most of the archbishopric were awarded (1815) to Prussia;
in http://www.answers.com/topic/trier-1
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In a matter of some gravity, I just found an Isaac Newton, while trawling through Wybunbury, Cheshire in the 1861.
Probably not that Isaac, however :) :)
Jane
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In Manchester 1901
Lawrence S Lowry, a 13 year old school boy (RG 13 3684 16 24)
and for those of you with Manchester ancestors:
Emmeline Pankhurst a 'Registrar of Births & Deaths' ;D
(RG 12 4349 72 40)
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Didn't Karl Marx "sleep" with his servant?
I have found Sir Joseph Bazalgette (engineer, responsible for London Sewers, embankments, sewage works, bridges tunnels...) in 1881:
Joseph W Bazalgette, Head, M, 62, born Enfield Middx, Occ: Knight Companion of the Bath Engineer to the Metropolitan Board of Works
living with his family and servants at Arthur Road St Marys, Wimbledon, Surrey. RG11/0829/51/2
Deborah
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Not famous, perhaps, but he ought to be!
1861 census, 19 Brompton Court, Kensington
Theodore R D Reeve 40 b. Strand, Middlesex. Secretary to the Genealogical Society, Writer of Genealogical Literature & Genealogist
RG9/20 - Folio 100 - Page 59
Came across him by accident, while trying to track down somone else entirely - thought he deserved a mention.
MR
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Hello all.
1901 census, living in Lambeth, London is the famous investigator of the Jack the Ripper case (portrayed by Johnny Depp in the 2001 film "From Hell"):
Frederick Abberline age 58, born Blandford, Dorset. Occupation is retired Chief Inspector of Police. Only three other Abberlines in 1901 including Emma, Frederick's wife, and an Edward Abberline age 61 born Blandford, Dorset living in Camberwell along with an Ellen Abberline age 52 born Canada living in Camberwell. I would imagine that Edward was Frederick's brother, and Ellen must be Edward's wife.
Born Frederick George Abberline, he married firstly Martha Mackness 1868 in Islington (she died of consumption shortly after their marriage). He married secondly Emma Beamont 1876 in Hendon. His brother Edward was infact registered as Edmund. Here is an interesting page about him, but they have neglected to mention Abberline's first wife.
http://www.casebook.org/police_officials/po-abber.html
Ryan.
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Someone may like to look up the address for this 1901 entry. I seem to remember that it is a Hotel.
Claude Monet 60
France F S French
London
St Clement Danes
Artist Painter
PeterB
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Today I found on the 1841 Ashton Under Lyne census, Isaac Newton age 41 Cotton Weaver ;D
Su
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How about Thomas Hardy, Max House (Max Gate), Dorchester in 1901 (RG13/2001/54/28/184)?
Dimps
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How about this notorious guy from Rillington Place...
[1901] RG13, 4138
Black Boy House, Halifax
Ernest J Christie, Head , abt 1862, Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England, Carpet Designer
Marian Christie, Wife, abt 1863, Queensbury, Yorkshire, England
Percy H Christie, Son, abt 1883, Halifax, Bank Clerk
Florence H Christie, Dau, abt 1885, Halifax,
Effe H Christie, Dau, abt 1891, Halifax
Elsie H Christie, Dau, abt 1891, Halifax
Winifred H Christie, Dau, abt 1897, Halifax
John R H Christie, Son, abt 1900, Halifax
Phyllis H Christie, Dau, abt 1900, Halifax
Mike
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1901 RG 13/4802 F127 P24
8 DOCKWAY SQUARE, TYNEMOUTH
ARTHUR JEFFERSON HEAD 38 THEATRE ?? & MANAGER BORN LICHFIELD
MADGE JEFFERSON WIFE 40 BORN HAWES YORKSHIRE
GORDON JEFFERSON SON 16 ULVERSTON LANCASHIRE
STANLEY JEFFERSON AKA STAN LAUREL SON 10 ULVERSTON LANCASHIRE
SCRIBBLED OUT, SON, INFANT BORN APRIL 1ST 1901 3.45AM, BORN NORTH SHIELDS, NORTHUMBERLAND
SARAH METCALFE MARRIED MOTHER IN LAW 69 BORN HAWES YORKSHIRE
MARY ELLIS WIDOW, MONTHLY NURSE 51 BORN CROPTON YORKSHIRE
PLUS TWO DOMESTICS
LOOKING AT THE BIRTH ON THE 1ST APRIL, AND THE CENSUS TAKEN ON THE 31ST MARCH, WONDER IF THE ENUMERATER HELPED ! :-\
Joanne
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Better known as Arnold Bennett, author of Clayhanger & the "Five Towns" novels
[1901], RG13, 1507
Dunstable Rd, Chalgrave, Beds
Enoch A Bennett, Head, 1868, Hanley, Staffs, Journalist & author
Enoch Bennett, Father, 1843, Burslem, Staffs, Retired solicitor
Sarah A Bennett, Mother, 1841, Cheshire
Eliza Bennett, sister, 1873, Burslem, Staffs, Housekeeper
2 servants,
3 visitors
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When Peter Rabbit was just a twinkle in his mother's eye:
dwelling: 2 Bolton Gardens, London, Middlesex,
Rupert POTTER; Head; 48; b. Manchester, Lancashire; Barrister
Helen POTTER; Wife; 41; b. Oakenfield, Cheshire
Helen Beatrice POTTER; Daur; 14; b. Kensington, Middlesex; Scholar
Walter Bertram POTTER; Son; 9; b. Kensington, Middlesex; Scholar
George COX; Serv; 44; b. Blandford, Dorset; Butler Domestic Servant
Sarah HARPER; Serv; 36; b. Stockport, Cheshire; Domestic Servant
Elizabeth HARPER; Serv; 35; b. Beard, Derby; Domestic Servant
Catherine FRASER; Serv; 24; b. Scotland; Domestic Servant
Isabella DEWAR; Serv; 20; b. Scotland; Domestic Servant
John Charles WILSON; Visitor; 49; b. Marlybone, Middlesex; Barrister Queens Council
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The Potters, above, are from 1881.
Now here's Mark Twain in 1880 America:
dwelling: Hartford, Hartford, Connecticut
Name/Relation/Marital Status/Gender/Race/Age/Birthplace/Occupation/Father's Birthplace/Mother's Birthplace
Samuell. CLEMENS/Self/M/Male/W/44/MO/Author/VA/KY
Olivia L. CLEMENS/Wife/M/Female/W/34/NY/Keeping House/NY/NY
Susan O. CLEMENS/Dau/S/Female/W/8/NY/MO/NY
Clara L. CLEMENS/Dau/S/Female/W/5/NY/MO/NY
Rosina HAY/Other/S/Female/W/28/BARDEN GER/Servant/BARDEN GER/BARDEN GER
Delia FAY/Other/S/Female/W/26/IRE/Servant/IRE/IRE
George GRIFFIN/Other/M/Male/B/31/VA/Servant/NOT KNOWN/NOT KNOWN
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5th victim of Jack The Ripper
RG11 490 p32
Usher Rd, Bow, Tower Hamlets
John Stride, head, M, 54, Carpenter, Shearness
Elizabeth, wife 34, , Stockholm, Sweden
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I'm sure you're all familiar with Abram Lyle's Golden Syrup. In 1901 we have:
Abram Lyle, Age 53, Born in Scotland, living in Hornsey, Middlesex. Occupation is Retired Sugar Refiner.
:)
Ryan.
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Stanley Baldwin, aged 13 in the 1881 census – scholar at "St Michael's School", Eton and staying with his uncle Edward Burne-Jones (artist, painter and sculptor) in Fulham in 1891. Baldwin's cousin, Rudyard Kipling, was a lodger at the Sandrock Hotel, Niton, Isle of Wight in 1891 – at 25 years old he was an author, born East Indies, Bombay.
Jane
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1900 US Census
31 Roanoake St Dictrict of Columbia Washington
Rice Americus V Head age 64 b. Ohio Purchase Agent Census Office
Rice Mary M Wife age 54 b. Ohio
Rice Mary (s) Daug age 31 b. Ohio Govt Clerk
Rice Katherine (s) Daug age 27 b. Ohio
American Civil War General Officers
Name - Americus Vespucius Rice
State Served - Ohio
Highest Rank - Brig-Gen
Birth Date - 1835
Death Date - 1904
Birth Place - Perryville, Ohio
Army - Union
Promotions - Promoted to Full Captain (21st OH Inf (mustered out 08/12/61))
Promoted to Full Captain (57th OH Inf)
Promoted to Full Lt Colonel
Promoted to Full Colonel
Promoted to Full Brig-Gen
Biography - Americus Vespucius Rice
Rice, Americus V., brigadier-general, was born in the
state of Ohio and upon the outbreak of the Civil war entered
the military service as captain in the 21st Ohio infantry,
three months' troops. He served with this regiment throughout
its term of enlistment, participating in engagements at Ripley
and Scarey creek, W. Va., and was honorably mustered out on
Aug. 12, 1861. He re-entered the service on Sept. 2, as
captain in the 57th Ohio infantry, and with it left the state
in Feb., 1862. With his command he participated in the battle
of Shiloh, having been promoted to lieutenant-colonel on Feb.
8, 1862, and at Chickasaw Bayou five days of severe fighting
were experienced. At Arkansas Post, at the head of his
regiment he led the brigade in a charge on the works which were
captured after a desperate battle of three hours, and on May
14, 1863, he was promoted to colonel. He served through the
siege and until the capitulation of Vicksburg, and then his
regiment being sent to East Tennessee, he participated in the
battle of Missionary ridge. He continued with his regiment,
when not absent on account of serious wounds, through the
Atlanta campaign, the march through the Carolinas, and on May
31, 1865, in recognition of his distinguished services he was
given the rank of brigadier-general of volunteers. He remained
in the service until Jan. 15, 1866, when, all disturbances
having ceased he was honorably mustered out and returned to his
home in Ohio, where he became quite prominent in civil life.
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Thought this chap rang a bell when looking for someone else ...
Isambard K Brunel 44 Civil Engineer b. Portsmouth with his wife whildren and his mother (aged 76 Lady Sophia) and 10 servants at Duke Street Westminster 1851. The great man was to die of a stroke in 1859.
Biker
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anybody ever find Queen Victoria's Marriage Index entry ?
I know she married Albert Saxe-Coburg et al in 1840, St James Chapel ... but did the Royal Family have to have a Civil Regn in 1840 ? - they do now !
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Tutankhamun's friend before he started digging around in the mud.
1881 Census
Samuel Jno. CARTER Head Male 46 Norfolk, England Artist
Martha Joyce CARTER Wife Female 42 Norfolk, England
Amy Joyce CARTER Dau Female 11 Kensington
Howard CARTER Son Male 6 Kensington
Anne RALPH Serv Female 30 Lambeth Cook
Ellen GREEN Serv Female 19 Clerkenwell Domestic
Matt (An Egypt nut) ;D
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I foung this on the 1891 Census for the Isle of Wight
Rudyard Kipling Lodger Male 25 East Indies,Bombay Author
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My favourie artist in 1881
Danti G. ROSSETTI (Head) W Male 52 London, London, Middlesex, England Artist Painter
16 Cheyne Walk
Middlesex, England
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I always enjoy looking for my favourite authors!
1851 - Patrick Bronte curator Harworth
daughter Charlotte
1851 - Mary A Evans 31 annuitant (George Eliot)
later living with partner/author George Lewes
1861 - George H Lewes 43 author
Marian Lewes 40 wife (although they were not actually married)
and in 1871 Geworge Lewes 53 literature
Marian E Lewes 50 wife literature
living in Marylebone
Regards Julie
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What a fun topic. Like I wasnt' already spending too much time on here. :-[ :-[
Here's one from America:
Amherst, Massachusetts, 1880
Emily Dickinson 75 mother widowed
Emily E Dickinson 49 daughter occupation keeps house
Lavinia Dickinson 47 daughter single
Margaret Kelley 35 born Ireland domestic servant.
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And here's another one, and my last for now (maybe ;)):
1860 Springfield, Illinois
Abraham Lincoln age 51, born Kentucky occ lawyer
Mary age 35, born Kentucky
Robert T, 16 born Illinois
Willie W, 9, born Illinois
Thomas, 7, born Illinois
M. Johnson, 18, born Illinois, servant
Phillip Dinkell, 14, born Illinois, servant
Kath
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1871
Hanover Terrace Kensington
Oswald Sickert 43 Artist b Prussia
with son Walter aged 10 b Bavaria.Wasnt Walter supposed to have something to do with the Ripper murders according to recent authors.
RG10 39 folio 17 p29
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1901
RG13/2058 f20 p31 Torquay, Devon
10 yr old Agatha Miller living with her parents Fredrick & Clarissa - perhaps that's where she first met Miss Marple.
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A very interesting background and life !! :)
1891
Henry Moutszne ( sic ) Hozier 53
Kitty Ogiloy ( sic ) Hozier 7
Clementine Ogiloy ( sic ) Hozier 6 Daughter St George Hanover Square London
and 8 servants
RG12/ 69 Folio 9 Page 10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clementine_Churchill
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Arthur Lasenby Liberty....1843 -1911
Opened Liberty & co in 1875...well this is before the big idea...
1851 Moor Farm Chesham...
HO107/1717 F184 SCH 0011
George Sutthry hd m m 39 Chesham farmer 355 acr 18 labs
Elizabeth Sutthry wi f m 37 Chesham
George Sutthry so m u 4 Chesham
Arthur Liberty vis m m 36 Weybridge prop of house
Rebecca Liberty wi f m 36 Chesham
ARTHUR LASENBY LIBERTY SO M 7 CHESHAM SCHOLAR
Laura Liberty da f 4 Chesham
Gilbert Liberty so m 1 Chesham
Tazzie
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Here is Lillie Langtry with her family at The Deanery, St Saviour Jersey in 1871 (RG10/5760 Folio 54 Page 20):
William C Le Breton 56 Dean of Jersey b. St Helier
Emily Le Breton 44 dean's wife B. England
Clermont Le Breton 20 Ens. 15th Fusiliers b. St Saviour
Emily Le Breton 17 do
Reginald Le Breton 16 scholar do
Ellen Box 23 housemaid
Jessie Martin 25 cook
James Morrison 23 groom
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Here is John Rouse Merriott Chard VC at home with his mother in 1881, he was one of two Lieutenants who led the defence of Rorke's Drift in 1879
Jane CHARD Head W Female 63 Stoke Climsland, Cornwall, England Landed Proprietor
Margaret E. CHARD Daur U Female 22 St Budeaux, Devon, England
Ann WARNE Servt U Female 25 Camelford, Cornwall, England Cook
Clara ROBINSON Servt U Female 25 Newpassage, Devon, England Housemaid
John R.M. CHARD Son U Male 33 Pennycross, Devon, England Capt & Bvt Major R.E.Active Serv
19 Portland Villa
Plymouth Charles The Martyr, Devon, England
RG11 2194 / 1 / 8
PeterB
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Here is William Morris Hughes, future Australian Prime Minister in 1881.
William HUGHES Head W Male 56 Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales Joiner
William M. HUGHES Son U Male 19 London, Middlesex, England Clerk
Mary HUGHES Sister U Female 60 Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales Housekeeper
78 Vauxhall B Rd
London, Middlesex, England
RG11 0114 / 86 / 26
PeterB
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At 3 Hanover Terrace Marylebone in
1871 1861 (RG9/83 Folio 111 page 1):
Charles Dickens 49 Author novelist essayist and editor b. Portsmouth
Mary Dickens 23 daur b. Middlesex
Francis J Dickens 17 son ,Secretary b. Middlesex
Edward B Dickens 9 son, scholar b. Middlesex
Georgina Hogarth 36 wife's sister, servant housekeeper b. Scotland
Susannah Cooper 51 cook
Matilda Bush 29 housemaid
Agnes Garrod 21 parlourmaid
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1880 New Brunswick, NJ
Thomas A Edison, 32, b. Ohio, occ. scientist
Mary, wife, 24, b. NJ
Marion, dau, 7, b. NJ
Thomas E., son, 5, b. NJ
William L, son, 1, b. NJ
and a housekeeper and two house servants. One was born in B N A, and written in her birth place is some word after the B N America. It looks like Biarh?? What do people think?
I find this entry interesting, as my gg grandfather worked for Edison (janitor, nothing glamorous), but one of his daughters was named Marion, and it isn't one of our family names. Hmmm.
Kath
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Could it be "British" as in British North America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_North_America
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Pam,
That looks like what it must have been, but interesting that they used it in 1880. Canada would be my guess.
Kath
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At 3 Hanover Terrace Marylebone in 1871 (RG9/83 Folio 111 page 1):
Charles Dickens 49 Author novelist essayist and editor b. Portsmouth
Mary Dickens 23 daur b. Middlesex
Francis J Dickens 17 son ,Secretary b. Middlesex
Edward B Dickens 9 son, scholar b. Middlesex
Georgina Hogarth 36 wife's sister, servant housekeeper b. Scotland
Susannah Cooper 51 cook
Matilda Bush 29 housemaid
Agnes Garrod 21 parlourmaid
Ummm, that's interesting since I believe he died 9th June 1870 ;)
Biker
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According to his children's ages, that is "Boz" Dickens in 1861 (also per the ref quoted)
A ;)
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According to his children's ages, that is "Boz" Dickens in 1861 (also per the ref quoted)
A ;)
And there was me having a bit of WUM fun, smartypants :D
Biker
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Hi Smarty Pants Mum !! :D :D :D :D :D :D
What's that Biker talking about ?? ....... what's WUM ?? ..... or have I been out of the country too long ?? :D :D :D :D
:P this is for you know who !! .... better put that bike up ..... it's snowin' !!
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Wotcher Annie
I have no idea what WUM is - some city-speak I suppose?
And we all know that Su organised my smarty-pants for my technical abilities!
:D
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Then again:
Wikipedia has
WUM Web Utilization Miner
WUM Wind Up Merchant (Ireland)
WUM Windows Update Manager
WUM Wireless Usage Manager (AT&T)
WUM Work Unit Module
WUM Write Unidirectional Memory
:D ;D
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Wotcher Annie
I have no idea what WUM is - some city-speak I suppose?
And we all know that Su organised my smarty-pants for my technical abilities!
:D
Well you know how those Londoners are .................. ;) ;) ;)
I have no idea what it is .... !! unless he can't spell and he meant "women over men " !!!!!!
( I think you're VERY smart ........ ;) )
:)
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Thanks Biker for picking up my typo re Charles Dickens. Have now modified the original post accordingly !!
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1841 - Buckingham Palace: The Queen, aged 20; H.R.H. Prince Albert, aged 20, "Foreign Parts".
1841 - Devonshire Terrace, St Marylebone: Charles Dickens, 29, Gent, Catherine do., 26, Charles Dickens, 4.
1851 - 28 Dean St, Westminster: Charles Marks, 32, Doctor (Philosophical author), Prussia
1861 - 51 Avonmore Road, Fulham: Edward W Elgar, 33, Professor of Music
1881 - 52 Palace Street, Canterbury: Mary Caldwell, 7 (Mary Tourtel - author of Rupert Bear)
Bill
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Here is someone in 1881 who is about to leave school and join the Navy.
Robert F(alcon) SCOTT Pupil Male 12 Plymouth, Devon, England Scholar
Stubbington House Boarding School
Titchfield, Hampshire, England
RG11 1171 / 42 / 27
PeteB
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For all Biggles fans out there:
1901 Hertford RG13/1305 folio106 p.37
Richard W E Johns 34 working (tailor) shopkeeper b. Okehampton
Elizabeth Johns 32 b. Hertford
William E Johns 8 do
Russel E Johns 5 do
Alice Hill 15 general servant domestic
http://www.wejohns.com/Biography/Biography1/
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'twas brillig .....
Interesting that Lewis Carroll delayed entering Holy Orders in late 1861 until after staying with his Speech therapist .... maybe his stammer was the reason ?
1861 - RG9/559; Folio: 85; Page: 23 - Ore, Sussex
Ore House
Charles Lutwidge Dodgson 29 Boarder MA Student, Christ Church Oxford; Daresbury, Cheshire
James Hunt 28 Head Psellismologist Dorset, Swanage
Heneritte Maria Hunt 22 Wife
Amy Heneritta Hunt 4 dau
Elizabeth Hunt 26 Sister
Clarissa Freeman 21 Boarder
Selina Harrington 32 do
George Thomas Hine 19 do
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What an interesting topic this is. It is great to see all the members of the families of these famous people. It is like reading a good book. ;D ;D ;D
Christina
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First Prime Minister of Canada 8)
Young Harry must be a mistranscription of daughter Margaret Mary, b. 1869. ::)
1881
St. George's Ward, Ottawa, Carleton County, Ontario, Canada
Sir Jno. MACDONALD, Scottish, 66, b. Scotland, Premier Of Dominion, Presbyterian
Lady Susan A. MACDONALD, English, 42, b. Jamaica <West Indies>, Church of England
Harry M. MACDONALD, Scottish, 12, b. Ontario, Presbyterian
Sarah CHILTON, English, 40, b. England, Servant, Church of England
Rosa MCCORMACK, Irish, 26, b. Scotland, Servant, Catholic
Julia BURNS, Irish, 26, b. Ireland, Servant, Catholic
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Here's a weird one !! this explanation has been added to the record !!
Explanation:
I believe this is 3 1/2-year-old Norma Jean Baker, later known as Marilyn Monroe. She is with her mother, Gladys Baker, in the home of her foster parents, Albert and Ida Bolender. I believe the census-taker must have combined the information of an unlisted elderly widowed resident in the household (who immigrated from England in 1870) on Gladys and Norma Jean's lines. It is evident there is a mistake since based on Gladys' stated age, it would have been impossible for her to immigrate in 1870
1930
Hawthorne, Los Angeles, California
Norma Jean Baker [Marilyn Monroe] 63 Indiana Boarder
Abers W Bolander 46
Edna E Bolander 42
Lester Bolander 3 8/12
Gladys Baker 27 Actress
Norma Jean Baker 63
1930 Hawthorne, Los Angeles, California
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Here's some from my side of the pond:
Name: John F Kennedy
Home in 1920: Brookline, Norfolk, Massachusetts
Age: 2 years 1 month
Estimated birth year: abt 1917
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's name: Joseph P
Father's Birth Place: Massachusetts
Mother's name: Rose F
Mother's Birth Place: Massachusetts
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph P Kennedy 31 (a banker)
Rose F Kennedy 29
J Joseph P Kennedy 4 1/12
John F Kennedy 2 1/12
Rose Mary Kennedy 1 2/12
Mary O'Donaline 30
Alice Michelon 26
(last two were servants)
Interestingly enough, their home was mortgaged.
Name: John F Kennedy
Home in 1930: Bronxville, Westchester, New York
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1918
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's name: Joseph P
Mother's name: Rose
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph P Kennedy 41
Rose Kennedy 39
Joseph P Kennedy 14
John F Kennedy 12
Rosmary Kennedy 11
Kathleen Kennedy 19
Eunice Kennedy 8
Patricia Kennedy 5
Robert Kennedy 4
Jean Kennedy 2
Marguerite Lynch 26
Bridie Mooney 22
Margaret Ruddy 23
Margaret Ambrose 29
Catherine Conboy 48
Irene Hale 40
(There were 5 servants, all from Ireland, and one governess.)
The house was worth $250,000 and they had a radio set.
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Interestingly enough, their home was mortgaged.
The money actually came in the next decade, from ... and that's why five servants in 1930 :D :D :o :o
Kath
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Interestingly enough, their home was mortgaged.
The money actually came in the next decade, from ... and that's why five servants in 1930 :D :D :o :o
Kath
The crash was in 1929 !! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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188O US Census: Six-year-old Harry Houdini in Appleton, Wisconsin
Saml. M. WEISE, Self, M, Male, W, 50, HUNGARY, Minister
Cecelia WEISE, Wife, M, Female, W, 34, HUNGARY, Keeping House
Armin M. WEISE, Son, S, Male, W, 17, HUNGARY, Clerk
Nathan J. WEISE, Son, S, Male, W, 11, HUNGARY, Attends School
Gottfried W. WEISE, SSon, S, Male, W, 8, HUNGARY, Attends School
Erick WEISE, Son, S, Male, W, 6, HUNGARY, Attends School
Theadore WEISE, Son, S, Male, W, 4, HUNGARY
Leopold D. WEISE, Son, S, Male, W, 10M, WI
Mary WINKEL, Other, S, Female, W, 18, WI, Servant
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Interestingly enough, their home was mortgaged.
The money actually came in the next decade, from ... and that's why five servants in 1930 :D :D :o :o
The crash was in 1929 !! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I think with illicit money, there isn't much concern with any crashes. My husband had an uncle who was a bookie and they spent spent spent because they couldn't put it in the bank. Not that I know what the Kennedys did with their money ::) ::)
Kath
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Mrs Beeton 1861
2 Chandos Villa, Pinner, Harrow, Middx
Samuel O Beeton 30 Publisher
Isabella N 25
Samuel O 1
Anne Green 29 House Servt
Mary Lawrence 21 Nurse
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I just couldn't resist this one !! :D :D :D :D
1881
1 Tite Street Chelsea London
Oscar Wilde 24 Boarder Dublin Ireland Literature (Author)
Frank Miles 28
Robert Fletcher 22
Jane Large 43
John Large 13
RG11/78 Folio 56 Page 46
Annie :)
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I have just found out that I used to live next door to where Enid Blyton was living when she was a child At 95 Chaffinch Road Beckenham I lived at 97 Chaffinch road from 1986- 1996 and I never new this Gosh time for lashings of food
Jim
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1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Shirley J Temple
Home in 1930: Santa Monica, Los Angeles, California
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1928
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: George T
Mother's name: Gertrude A
Household Members:
Name Age
George T Temple 40
Gertrude A Temple 34
John S Temple 15
George J Temple 11
Shirley J Temple 1 11/12
Maude E Cregier 51 (mother-in-law)
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Harry Kendall Thaw (February 12, 1871 - February 22, 1947) he was the son of Pittsburgh coal and railroad baron William Thaw - and husband of Evelyn Nesbett ...... he is known for the murder of architect Stanford White at Madison Square Garden in 1906 ..... fascinating case that held New York spellbound !!
1910
Fishkill Dutchess New York
Harry K Thaw 40 Pennsylvania Inmate Married
Annie :)
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How about Leonard Sidney Woolf author who married Adeline Virginia Stephen
Better knowed as Virginia Woolf
Sidney WOOLF Head M Male 35 Westminster, Middlesex, England Barrister
Marie WOOLF Wife M Female 30 The Netherlands
Bella WOOLF Daur Female 4 Kensington, England
Arnold Herbert Sidney WOOLF Son Male 1 Kensington,
LEONARD SIDNEY WOOLF Son Male 5 m Kensington, Middlesex, England
William KILPIN Serv U Male 18 Barnet, Hertford, England Footman Dora WIENSTRUCK Serv U Female 27 Holsteinf, Prussia Housemaid
Mary VICKERY Serv U Female 36 Batheaston, Somerset, England Nurse
Amia Elsake MAHLER Serv U Female 36 Holstein F, Prussia Cook
Jane CLARK Serv U Female 18 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Nurse
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ALEXANDRA GRAHAM BELL inventer of the telephone found on washington census 1881
Alexander G. BELL Self M Male W 33 SCOT Prof. Of Electrician SCOT
Mabel G BELL Wife M Female W 22 MA Keeping House
Elsie May BELL Dau S Female W 2 ENG SCOT
Estella BELL Dau S Female W 3M DC SCOT
Nancy JOHNSON Other S Female MU 24 VA Servant
Alice MOUSLEY Other S Female W 24 NY Servant
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How about the inventer of the toilet system
the one and only Thomas Crapper who was buried in the same cementry as W G Grace and Thomas wolsey in Beckenham found on 1881 census in Acton West London
George CRAPPER Head M Male 58 Thorne, York,Plumber
Matilda CRAPPER Wife M Female 49 Scratby, Norfolk,
Sarah CRAPPER Daur U Female 24 Chelsea
THOMAS CRAPPER Son U Male 19 Chelsea Plumber
Henry CRAPPER Son U Male 17 Chelsea
Emma CRAPPER Daur U Female 11 Chelsea
Maria CRAPPER Daur U Female 6 Kensington
Mary Anne AMISS Servant U Female 20 Yarmouth, Norfolk,
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Thomas Crapper.....may...or may not have invented the flush toilet.
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/crapper.asp
But it is a fun story.
Alice
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No arguments John Sainsbury did start the big supermarket. My Grandfather when a boy used to deliver his newspaper when John lived in Bromley Hill
Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John J. SAINSBURY Head M Male 36 Lambeth, Surrey, Merchant
Mary Ann SAINSBURY Wife M Female 31 St Pancras,
John B. SAINSBURY Son Male 10 St Giles,
George SAINSBURY Son Male 8 St Giles,
Alice SAINSBURY Daur Female 5 St Pancras, Middlesex,
Frank SAINSBURY Son Male 3 St Pancras,
Louisa SAINSBURY Daur Female 2 St Pancras,
Arthur SAINSBURY Son Male 11 m St Pancras,
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Jesse boot living at 16 Goosegate
Nottingham St Mary
Nottingham
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I found this on Family Org......... don't tell the kids :-\
Santa CLAUS
Birth Date: 15 Jan 1944
Death Date: 26 Aug 2003
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Illinois
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Emily Pankhurst nee Emmeline Goulden in 1881 at 3 Chester Road (1 Quayton Terrace) Stretford, Lancashire, England
Richard Marsden PANKHURST Head 44 Stoke, Stafford Barrister In Active Practice
Emiline PANKHURST Wife Female 22 Manchester, Lancashire
Christobel Harriet PANKHURST Daur 6 m Stretford, Lancashire
Katherine Jane KNEOLE Servant 18 Kirk Lonan, Isle of Man, England Cook (Domestic)
Amelia Ann KNEOLE Servant Kirk Lonan, Isle of Man, England Housemaid (Domestic)
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A couple of Missouri's own.
1860 Census Clay County, Missouri
Jesse James 12
Alexander James 16 (Alexander Franklin better known as Frank)
Good site for those interested in the James genealogy http://www.ericjames.org/Meet_Phil_Stewart.html/
Pat
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As it's the Jane Austen season on TV here in the UK here is
Calandra Anesten (Ancestry transcription!) better known as Cassandra AUSTEN sister of Jane
HO107/381/11 folio 7 page 8
living Chawton, Hampshire
Cassandra AUSTEN aged 65 Ind Y
Henry AUSTEN 65 clergyman Y
Eleanor AUSTEN 45 N
plus a few servants
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Found quite by accident recently
Scott of the Antarctic?
Not long before he joined the Navy according to bio
1881 census
Stubbington House Boarding School, Titchfield, Fareham, Hampshire
Robert F. Scott born about 1869 Plymouth, Devon, England
[Actually b 1868]
Along with dozens of others including a distant rellie of mine.
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thought I would reserect this topic after watching the show about Marie Lloyd on the TV Last night.
Changed her name to Marie Lloyd and became queen of the music hall.
1881
Matilda Wood age 11 ,3 Bath Place,St Luke,London,England
Eldest of nine children of john and Matilda Wood.
REG11; Piece: 361; Folio: 103; Page: 33;
By 1891 she had married and was now called Matilda Courtney. She is living with her parents which was easy to establish as her fathers job as a artificial flower maker was not I a guess a common one. Also her husband Percy Courtney and Daughter Marie Courtney.
1891
Matilda Courtney age 21
32 Powerscroft? Road (not totally sure of the street name) Hackney.
REG12; Piece: 198; Folio 77; Page 4
cant find the wood family or the Courtney's in the 1901 Census I know her marriage broke up around 1901 but she didn't remarry until 1905
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Emmeline Pankhurst a 'Registrar of Births & Deaths' ;D
she registered my nanas birth certificate in 1902 ! ;D
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I never knew Robert Mudge Marchant had any children, he worked on Box Tunnel and certainly met his first wife there, she was the step daughter of Gus(avus) Edward Beckers a Russian born sub contractor working there. Beckers assisted Marchant on the Mickleton Tunnel contract. I would love to know more about Marchant particularly regarding his time in Brazil and Victoria and about his involvement with the Agapenomies at Spaxton in Somerset.
David
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many many poets in 1881 England :)
George Barlow ,
William C. Bennett
Robert B. Blake with wife Helen also listed as Poet
Agnes Braby Frederick,
Edward Brierly
Robt. Browning widow with ssister Sussanne [sic] also listed as poet
Felix Bury
Rose A. Caldwell
Edward Calvert
Thomas Carr
Henry Davison
William Dearden
Peter Gabbitass
Sholto H. Hare
Eleanora L. Hervey
Fred Hume
Jonothan James
James D. Jelf
Charles Kirby
John Large
Caroline Lunn
Philip B. Marston
William Millar
Harcourt Mooney
George Moore
Raden (Hon) Noel
Jasper Quittenton
J. B. R. abt 1825 Patient Banstead, Surrey
Joseph Rowland
Joseph C. Sawtell
Charles Searle
Absolem Seymons
Alfred C. Shaw
George A. Sincox
Charles Squire
George Wildbore Stephens
Tom Taylor
Alfred Tennyson
James Thompson
Lewis Thornton
J. W. abt 1807 Guisbro, Yorkshire, England Patient Clifton, Yorkshire
John C. Winscom
James Reynolds Withers
Guiseppe Zaffira
just the 2 in Wales
William Henry Dyer
Davied T. Morris
I was looking for Robert Browning out of interest and up h popped, then i remembered ont he 1881 you can do an occupation search so i put in poet the list is above.
i see Alfred Tennyson appears
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Helen Beatrix Potter in 1881
2 Bolton Gardens
Rupert Potter 48 head barrister b. manchester
Helen 41 wife b. Cheshire Oakenfield
Helen Beatrice Potter 14 dau. scholar b. Kensignton
Walter Bertram 9 son scholar b. Kensignton
George Cox 44 butler domestic servant b. Blandford Dorset
Sarah Harper 36 servant b. Stcokport
Elizabeth Harper 35 servant b. derbyshire Beard
Catherine Fraser 24 servant b. scotland
Isabella Dewar 20 servant b. do.
John Charles Wilson 49 visitor barrister b. Marylebone
RG11; 46; 9; 14
and in 1891 RG12; 33; 99; 71
With parents, brother, George cox, Elizbeth Harper and 2 other servants
found her in 1871 & 1901 too
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1871
His Majesty Napoleon III Charles Louis Earl of Perrefonds 63
Her Majesty Maria Eugenie 44
Bromley Chislehurst
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I never knew Robert Mudge Marchant had any children, . . . .
David
David,
He spent time in New Zealand in the 1860s, amongst other things building a railway with wooden tracks - which failed after 14 months of use.
I notice from FreeBMD that he married in 1841 in Bristol, though I cannot identify the wife, nor have knowledge of where or how it ended. He was, of course, bankrupted for one of his schemes in 1851.
At some point prior to 1855 he married (perhaps?) Bonella Maria ALLMAN (nee MAHON), daughter of James MAHON of Northampton, Galway, Ireland, widow of Capt William Hutchinson ALLMAN, Surgeon, 4th (King's Own) Regiment of Foot, with whom she had three children (two survived), which MARCHANT adopted. They added his surname to their existing one, becoming Allman MARCHANT or ALLMAN-MARCHANT, depending on their whim.
About 1855 his only child Sarah Bonella MARCHANT was born. She married 1881 into a very wealthy family who are mentioned in Burke's "Colonial Gentry", John Orbell BIDWILL, producing John Carne BIDWILL (1882) and Florence Marjorie BIDWILL (1886).
Hope that helps - he was extremely hard to track down.
Robert Phillips
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Spade House, Sandgate, Folkstone, 1901 census...
Wells, Herbert G, 34, Head, Assistant Author, Bromley, Kent
Wells, Amy C, 28, Wife, Shadwell, London
Brooks, Jessie A, 28, Servant, Cook Domestic, Richmond, Surrey
Brooks, Mabel O, 21, Servant, House Maid Domestic, Richmond, Surrey
"In 1891 Wells, married his cousin Isabel Mary Wells, but left her in 1894 for one of his students, Amy Catherine Robbins (known as Jane), whom he married in 1895. Poor health took him to Sandgate, near Folkestone, where in 1901 he constructed a large family home—Spade House. He had two sons with Amy Catherine: George Philip (known as "Gip") in 1901 (d.1985) and Frank Richard in 1903.
During his marriage to Amy Robbins, Wells had affairs with a number of women, including the American birth-control activist Margaret Sanger and novelist Elizabeth von Arnim. In 1909 he had a daughter, Anna-Jane, with the writer Amber Reeves, whose parents, William and Maud Pember Reeves, he had met through the Fabian Society; and in 1914, a son, Anthony West (1914–1987), by the novelist and feminist Rebecca West, twenty-six years his junior. Despite Amy Catherine's knowledge of some of these affairs, she remained married to Wells until her death in 1927. Wells also had affairs with Odette Keun and Moura Budberg." (Wikipedia)
I'm surprised that Amy allowed two 20'ish year old servants in the house with HG Wells' roving eye ::)
Still, he was one of my favourite authors :)
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A couple of authors in my tree:
William Makepeace Thackeray in my own tree; I'm related through his aunt:
1861 at 36 Onslow Rd, Kensington:
William M Thackeray Head 49 Male Writer of Novels Barrister not in practice Calcutta Bengal
Anna J Thackeray Daughter 23 Female London Paddington
Harriet M Thackeray Daughter 20 Female London Bloomsbury
Amy Crowe Friend residing with family 30 Female Visitor Paris British Subject
Sarah Gray Servant 40 Female Housekeeper & book Berkshire Sandhurst
Fanny Gladdish Servant 21 Female Ladies Maid Kent Wolvenden
Charles Sargeant Servant 19 Male Footman London Marylebone
Emma Cass Servant 17 Female Housemaid London Belgravia
and RD Blackmore (related through his mother)
1871 at Gomer House, Teddington, Middx:
Richard D Blackmore Head 45 Male Barrister & Writer & Market Gardener Berks Longworth
Lucy Blackmore Wife 42 Female Wife of do Dublin
Jane Watts Servant 27 Female Genl domestic serv Devonshire Berry Harbour