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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Tiffaney on Wednesday 22 December 10 03:14 GMT (UK)
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I have pasted this from my forum in the hope I may find more connections and learn when Alexander & Ann died & were buried. Also if possible who was Ann's mother please.
Alexander GALLETLY
Born: 14 May 1728 Perth Perthshire Scotland
Bapt: 1728 Errol Perthshire Scotland
Died:
Married: 10 Jul 1767 Perth Perthshire Scotland
Spouse: Ann ROSS
Born: c1748 Scotland
Died: 1830 Scotland
Father: Patrick ROSS b: c1720 Scotland
Mother: Unknown
Children:
1) Peter GALLETLY b: 08 May 1768 Perth Scotland. He married Elizabeth MONCRIEFF b: 11 Oct 1761 Dron Perth Scotland on 11 Dec 1787 Perth.
Elizabeth's father was Alexander MONCRIEFF.
2) Janet GALLETLY b: 1770 Perth Perthshire Scotland
3) James GALLETLY b: 1772 Perth Perthshire Scotland
4) Alexander GALLETLY b: 1774 Perthshire Scotland
5) Ann GALLETLY b: 1776 Perthshire Scotland
Thankyou,
Tiffaney
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Hi Tiffaney, I have a Patrick Ross who married Janet Hutton Jan 25, 1741 in Tibbermore, Perthshire. Seeing that Alexander and Ann's first daughter is named Janet, and the year of marriage is prior to Ann's birth, it may be the right marriage.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Robt
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Many thanks for your post Robt....you could well be correct.
Can you give me anymore details about them please.
regards,
Tiff
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You're very welcome Tiffaney. This is all I could find, and please note it all comes from FamilySearch.org, the LDS website in Salt Lake City. I want to give credit where it's due.
Groom's Name: Patrick Ross
Bride's Name: Janet Hutton
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1741
Marriage Place: Tibbermore,Perth,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11395-5
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 1040140
Name: William Ross
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Sep 1742
Baptism/Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1742
Father's Name: Patrick Ross
Mother's Name: Janet Hutton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11387-8
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: unknown
Name: Patrick Ross
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 13 Mar 1749
Baptism/Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 07 Mar 1749
Father's Name: Patrick Ross
Mother's Name: Janet Hutton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11387-8
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: unknown
Name: James Ross
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Feb 1751
Baptism/Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 24 Feb 1751
Father's Name: Patrick Ross
Mother's Name: Janet Hutton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11387-8
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: unknown
Name: Jean Ross
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Aug 1746
Baptism/Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 02 Aug 1746
Father's Name: Patrick Ross
Mother's Name: Janet Hutton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11387-8
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: unknown
Name: John Ross
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Apr 1753
Baptism/Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 28 Mar 1753
Father's Name: Patrick Ross
Mother's Name: Janet Huton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11387-8
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: unknown
Name: Elspet Ross
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Jan 1761
Baptism/Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1760
Father's Name: Patrick Ross
Mother's Name: Jannet Hutton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11387-9
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 1040383
Name: Jannet Ross
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Oct 1756
Baptism/Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 24 Oct 1756
Father's Name: Patrick Ross
Mother's Name: Hutton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11387-8
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: unknown
:( You'll have surely noticed there's no mention of Ann in the above children. I find this however:
Name: Ann Ross
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 23 Oct 1743
Baptism/Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 19 Oct 1743
Father's Name: Patrick Ross
Mother's Name: Isabell Hutton
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11387-8
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: unknown
I think, not sure but think, this Isabell Hutton is Janet. I find no other children for a Patrick and Isabell, nor do I find any marriage for them.
Hope it helps. Robt
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You've helped me tremendously and I am most appreciative. RobtWB.
Will print what you have given me. Thankyou.
Tiff
http://ringofmyforums.proboards.com/index.cgi
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Hey there. I have no idea how old this conversation is - i've just registered with this site. I am a decendent of Peter Galletly and Betty Moncrieff's son Alexander who married Margaret Gray. Their daughter Margaret Galletly married my great great grandfather Joseph Manning.
My wife, baby, and I are planning a trip to the UK this spring (UK's autumn) and want to visit Perth to see where my ancestors were from. I would love to know where to go to see some of our shared family history - whether that be an abbey, a residence, or a cemetary. Any help or ideas are most appreciated :)
Reuben Raihānia Tipoki
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This is all I could find, and please note it all comes from FamilySearch.org, the LDS website in Salt Lake City. I want to give credit where it's due.
Very laudable.
All this information has been indexed by the LDS from the original documents, which are held by the Registrar General for Scotland and are available to view at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk at modest cost.
Credit to the LDS for indexing them.
Credit to Scotland's People for storing them, looking after them, digitising them, indexing them and making them easily available online to everyone to consult.
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Kia Ora and Welcome to Rootschat Reuben.
Tiffaney has not been on here since 2012 and the original query was 2010.
If they have the same email, address you may get a reply from them :)
As for your query someone else may be able to help you.
Trish :)
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Hi Reuben
Welcome to RootsChat from me too :)
This looks to be your family on this Family Search Tree www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L8RR-XRY
From this, it states that Margaret born c. 1850 and her parents and siblings arrived in New Zealand in 1860. Is that correct?
Have you looked at any early census entries for the family in Scotland? This looks like the family in 1851:
Alexr Gellatly 51 Head, widower, handloom weaver, b. Perth
Betsy Gellatly 25 b. Kilspindie, perthshire
Ann Gellatly 23 b. St Martins, perthshire
David Gellatly 18 b. Scone, perthshire
John Gellatly 11 b. Scone, perthshire
James Gellatly 8 b. Scone, perthshire
Andw Gellatly 6 b. St Martins, perthshire
Barbara Gellatly 4 b. St Martins, perthshire
Margaret Gellatly 1 b. St Martins, perthshire
Address Middle Friartown, St Martins, Perthshire
With Alexander showing as a widower in 1851, Margaret Snr looks to have died after Margaret's birth and the census date of 30 March 1851.
In 1841, the family are showing as living at Cranloch, Scone, Perthshire. Margaret Snr's age showing as 35. With the normal rounding on ages on the 1841 census for those over 15, her birth year would have been between 1802-1806.
Monica
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There is a grave in Redgorton churchyard, close to Perth, for a John Galletly b.1709 d.1763 and wife and children.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/240855712/john-galletly
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Reuben does not seem to have been on here since his original posting.
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Thank you both very much, Trish and Monica. This all looks to be the same as what I have, with a bit of new info too which is great thanks.
Would love some guidance on what landmarks etc I could take my family to when we visit Perth later this year but understand that we all may know roughly the same as each other.
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Hopefully someone can help you.
Not my area as am in Sydney :)
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Would love some guidance on what landmarks etc I could take my family to when we visit Perth later this year but understand that we all may know roughly the same as each other.
I lived in Perth for about 7 years.
Prepare throughly before you arrive. Look up all the original documents relating to your family to see if they tell you exactly where in the various parishes they lived.
Errol is a parish about 16 miles east of Perth https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO2522
Dron is part of the parish of Dunbarney and Dron, and is about 8 miles south of Perth https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO1416
Tibbermore is a parish about 6 miles west of Perth https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO0523
St Martins is a parish about 7 miles north of Perth https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO1530
Scone (pronounced skoon to rhyme with 'moon' and 'soon') is a parish about 2 miles north-east of Perth https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO1326
Redgorton is a parish about 5 miles north of Perth https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO0828
Kilspindie is a parish about 8 miles east-north-east of Perth https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO2125
Get yourself a decent map. This means NOT Google maps or similar, because individual farms or cottages won't be named there. Also, you can annotate a paper map to mark the places you want to go to.
The best maps for your purpose are the Ordnance (NOT Ordinance) Survey Explorer maps, but unfortunately Perth is in a corner of one of these so you would need to get three sheets to cover all the places listed.
Next best are the Ordnance Survey Landranger maps, but again you'd need three sheets to cover everywhere on the list above.
You can order from the Ordnance Survey a map tailored to your own requirements - being a time-served map nerd I've never done this. However I've had a look and the available dimensions won't cover all your locations. Have a good rake about at https://shop.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/maps/
You can also buy a one-month subscription to allow you to view the maps on a phone, tablet or desktop.
Sometimes places disappear or change their name over time.
If there's a place that you can't find on the modern maps, it can often be found on the older maps, for example the Ordnance Survey six-inch-to-the-mile or 25-inch-to-the-mile maps, which can be consulted at https://maps.nls.uk/
Middle Friartown, for example, will be Mid Friarton, about a mile west of the kirk of St Martins
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.0&lat=56.45618&lon=-3.38106&layers=168&b=1&o=100 - there's still a cottage there but the modern maps don't name it.
I haven't found Cranloch, but using the 1841 census transcription at https://freecen1.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl I see that its neighbours include Fairfield, New Miln, Ardgilzean and Moor of Lethendy, all of which are on this map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.1&lat=56.45444&lon=-3.40197&layers=257&b=1&o=100 and barely a mile or so from Friarton.
All parishes have kirkyards, and you could spend many a happy hour hunting for relevant inscriptions. You can shortcut the hunt, however, by buying a copy of the relevant booklets of pre-1855 inscriptions. There are several volumes covering Perthshire, of which https://scottish-genealogy-society.sumupstore.com/product/perthshire-east-monumental-inscriptions and https://scottish-genealogy-society.sumupstore.com/product/perthshire-south-lower-strathearn-volume-1 are most likely to be useful to you. (It looks as if some of the volumes must be out of print.)
I would also recommend reading the parish accounts at https://stataccscot.ed.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/county/Perth to get a feel what life was like in the late 18th and mid-19th century in the parishes where your folk lived.
Hope this helps - any questions, feel free to ask.
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Wow that is so helpful. Thank you very much!
Errol, Tibbermore, and Scone are places that pop up a lot. I'm thinking that I'll focus on 2 or 3 parishes and like you say plan it out well before arrival. My wife probably won't be too happy spending a whole lot of time mucking around in some relatively random places. So thank you from her too :)