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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: aitch on Tuesday 21 December 10 20:18 GMT (UK)
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Is there someone who would be kind enough to take a look in census records for my friend's grandma please?
Her name was Margaret CROSBY, she was born in (about)1886 - not sure where, but possibly Liverpool.
All we know about her is that she married a William Brown in Liverpool in 1908. She died in 1923 during childbirth of her 9th child aged 37- which is how we know her birth year.
Not a lot to go on, but would be very grateful if anyone could pick up any kind of lead.
Thanks in anticipation.
Aitch :)
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What do you want to know about her? You may be better off working backwards from the 1911 and that will give her place of birth. I don't have access to the 1911 sorry.
The only one I can find with a birthyear of 1886 on the 1901 census is born in Garston and living in Warrington with her parents John and Mary J Crosby.
Margaret
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Census info would be great - would like to piece together the family and see where I get with them. My friends mum never talked about her own parents so I'm up for finding anything and everything!
:)
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There's a problem in that there were 4 Margaret Crosby's born between 1883 and 1887. Two in Liverpool and two in West Derby. There's only one born 1886 in West Derby so it could be the right one.
I think it's going to be easier to buy her marriage cert and it will give you her father's name so you know for sure it's the right one.
Margaret
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Hi Margaret - thanks for looking in the 1901.
Mmm... I think you're right in that it's the info from the 1911 when she was already married to William Brown is what I need to be able to pin her down to her own Crosby family, but I don't have access to that either.
I'll bear in mind the Garston one & her parents.
Thanks again
- Aitch :)
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Yes, I guess biting the bullet and buying the cert is the best option for my friend if there are several possible Margarets.
The 1886 one does sound quite interesting as the only fact we have is her death in 1923 aged 38.
- Aitch
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Where did she die?
Margaret
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The death was registered in Liverpool. Their children look to have been born in West Derby from FreeBMD.
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Ok I am getting the picture now. When was the first child born and if you give me a name I'll see what else I can come up with.
Margaret
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I've had a look on the 1911 census and there are only two Margaret Brown's born 1886 both living West Derby so if we can identify a child's name I will see if it fits with the mother's info.
If we can narrow it down it might be worth the £3 to see the page.
Margaret
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Mmm... there's problem with that. My friend only knows that her mum (Margaret J Brown, born West Derby Dec 1822) was one of 9 children. The only details she has is that one of the brothers was named Robert (born Dec 1923) [- he was the last child and the one who the mother died over].
The only other names she knew was that one was called Cyril and another named Jane (might have been Mary Jane).
I've found 9 children named Brown, born to a mother named Crosby in FreeBMD -
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All registered in West Derby with the exception of one who was registreed in Liverpool
No knowing for certain that they're all from the same family of course!
- Aitch
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I can see your dilemma I think that the only thing now is to resort to the MC to find her father's name so we can be sure I have the right ones on the censuses.
Margaret
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Yes I think you're right Margaret. I'll have to persuade her to send for the cerificate I think.
Many thanks for your time and thoughts on this one!
Happy Christmas! :)
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Hi
According to LancashireBMD Margaret Crosby and William Brown were married in 1908 at Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne, The church records would I think be at the Liverpool Record Office if anyone can visit.
Andy
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Ooo, thanks for this extra info Andy. Hadn't thought to look for a Lancs BMD (all this is a bit off my usual patch!).
:) Aitch
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I had a look earlier and it only gives the year, Freebmd says the marriage was in the 4th quarter 1908.
I tried looking for their children on Lancashirebmd but there are so many it's impossible to be sure of any names.
Margaret
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I was just taking a look at LancsBMD too. They don't include the mother's maiden name like they do in FreeBMD do they? Like you say, so many Brown baptisms in there!
Aitch
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The death was registered in Liverpool. Their children look to have been born in West Derby from FreeBMD.
Up until about 1923 the West Derby registration district covered a big geographical area (different from what is called West Derby today).
The Borough of Crosby was a sub district of the West Derby registration district.
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I have found one, but the age is 12 in 1901. Address is 44 Heriot Street, Kirkdale. But probably not the right age. I will have a look at the other few possibilities in a moment.
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Thanks very much! - and too for the info on West Derby. I'd had a look at Google maps for the present place of West Derby - but interesting to know it was a larger area. The Crosby surname does sound like it could place it quite soundly in Liverpool historically doesn't it? :)
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I have found a 15 year old female on the 1901 census. address 19 Albert street, Warrington.
Her father is John Crosby and the family had 10 children in 1901. Fathers occupation was Carter for Wire Works.
Margaret crosby was shown as being born in the Garston registration district
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That's interesting - think it sounds like the same one Margaret spotted earlier - if so, the wife was Mary J, and although I may be clutching at straws here, but one of the children (possibly) born to William Brown and Margaret Crosby was Mary J too.
Is there any possibility you could give me any more details (names/ages) from the 1901? No worries if you don't have time/inclination.
Thanks anyhow :)
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The marriage was in Liverpool in the October to December quarter 1908 and reference numbers 8b and page 110 if you want to order a copy of the Marriage certificate.
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Thanks - I'll send the details to my friend so she can send off for it. :)
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That's interesting - think it sounds like the same one Margaret spotted earlier - if so, the wife was Mary J, and although I may be clutching at straws here, but one of the children (possibly) born to William Brown and Margaret Crosby was Mary J too.
Is there any possibility you could give me any more details (names/ages) from the 1901? No worries if you don't have time/inclination.
Thanks anyhow :)
John, father born 1861.
Mary J mother born 1862
John son born 1884
Elizabeth born 1887
Peter born 1890
William born 1891
Agnes born 1893
Fred age 3 months at date of census born 1901
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Thanks very much for these details.
Much appreciated :)
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Ooooh - this is exciting stuff! I just checked back through my friends email and the only other piece of random information she'd thrown in was the mention of the surname 'Rabbit' (she had no idea to whom it belonged) and some connection way back with Ireland.
Anyhow, just checked on the John Crosby & wife Mary J you gave me and found a marriage in Dec quarter 1880 in Warrington of a John Crosby to a Mary Jane RABBITT.
Seems like we may well have stumbled on the right family after all.
Thanks very much to both of you :) :)
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... and have just found Mary Jane Rabbitt in the 1881 Census - daughter of Peter Rabbitt - from Ireland!
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I can't find John Crosby on the 1881 for the moment and Mary J is with her parents under her maiden name (although that could be a slip of the tongue)
I wonder if John was working on the night of the census or living somewhere else?
Back to the search.
Margaret
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I've found the Rabbitt family on the 1851,61 and 71 censuses. They certainly lived up to their name LOL
On the 1851 Peter has his brother's and possibly a couple of sisters living with him and also it looks like he was married to someone else before he married Ellen.
On the search to see if I can unravel it all. Well what else can you do in this weather? LOL
Margaret
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I've found the death of Peter' wife Catherine 3rd quarter 1851 in Warrington and his marriage to Ellen Glynn 1st quarter 1852 in Warrington.
Going to look for John Crosby now but he's a bit of a mysetery at the moment.
Margaret
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I've found John on the 1871 and 61 and his parents marriage in 1851. Typically they were Irish so I can't go any further back.
I've found John's birth in the 3rd quarter 1855 Warrington Vol 8c Page 114.
Margaret :D
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I've found John Crosby living with his parents on the 1881 census. Wonder if they'd had an argument? LOL
This is getting fascinating now.
Margaret ::)
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Registers for St Nicholas are at the Temporary Archives site at Sandhills.
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Thanks for that oldbones, and to Margaret for all the Rabbitt hunting!
:) Aitch
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Hi I am related to the Crosby family and have information which I am willing to share. Margaret Crosby was my great grandmother. I am looking forward to hearing from Aitch even though it it 5 years from when they posted
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Hi Garston girl. :) Yes this is an old post for sure, but I'm still here! ;) I'm not personally connected to the Crosby family, but researched them for an old friend of mine who is a granddaughter of Margaret Crosby. Happy to share what info I have and also to pass on any you wish to share to my friend Sheena.
- aitch
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I don't know whether anyone else has suggested this on previous pages.
But has she tried getting the death certificate, Or searching for the place of burial and finding the head stone. You can get good details from head stones, in my experience.
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Hi,
My mum's uncle was the William Brown you are referring to. He married Margaret Crosby. Apparently she died in childbirth with her son Robert Brown around 1926. My mum was Edith Brown, her parents were Robert & Mary Elizabeth (Nee Edwards) Robert was the brother of William. Margaret was the daughter of John & Mary Jane Crosby (Nee Rabbitt) If you can PM me I can give you more information about the families :)