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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: bykerlads on Tuesday 21 December 10 15:23 GMT (UK)
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I'd like to be able to find out the present-day ( + even 19thC ) location of Hotspur Street and Percy Street which were in St Peter's, Byker in 1850-70's.
The old maps viewable on line don't have such detail.
Percy Street seems to be in another part of Newcastle nowadays.
Am actually looking for where the Hare and Hounds pub was - There is a photo of a similarly named pub in Raby St, Byker from 1975 but don't know if it's the same one.
Thanks for any clues.
PS- despite my "nom de Rootschat", I do not live in the North East, so all help/local expertise is especially welcome.
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Hotspur Street here:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0auq/
JL
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bykerlads,
As Justlooking posts Hotspur St is there today.
When I was looking through Newcastle directories for your Bambroughs in 1860/70s, I noticed that houses/businesses in St Peter's area, where not listed as part of Newcastle. So the only Percy Street that was listed was the one in city centre.
Be aware that several inns changed names over the years. Perhaps new innkeepers choosing new names for their inn.
I was looking yesterday in Directories of late 1880s/early 1890s and Hare & Hounds does not get a mention.
Interesting to note the connectivity of the two street names- Percy St, Hotspur St... both names of Dukes of Northumberland ?
Michael
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bykerlads,
Benjamin Carr was the 1871 census enumerator for the St Peter's area etc.
In his discription of District 11, ( Piece 5107, Folio 87) he lists the streets he is to cover in District 11. The first four are Percy St, Chapel St, Glasshouse St and Bottle House Row. (The Bamboroughs, Percy st, were on 5107-93-8)
Today very close to the river, are Glasshouse St and Bottlehouse St. But no sign of Percy St, which once must have been adjacent.
Hotspur St is some distance away, and although I am no expert on the area, I think it would not be regarded as been in "St Peter's "... although some trade directories listed Hotspur St, as " St. Peter's" !
Michael
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I've used Michael's ED description to pan about on the Old-Maps site and I've found an Inn located in the vicinity of Bottlehouse and Glasshouse Streets. It's just to the NW of Rowe's House on the 1899 Northumberland map and next street east of River Street.
Approx current location is indicated here:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0av5/
JL
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Hmmmm - on the 1864 map it's called The Dog Inn :-\
JL
PS - I'd say that Hotspur Street is more Heaton than St Peter's
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Thanks Rootschatters- I think we can be fairly precise now as to where the pub + Percy street were.
Must have been a very "lively" dockside area in those days!
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Just another question for N/castle experts-
On old maps there is an area just to the left of St Peter's Q. which is called Mushroom.
Any explanation for this odd name?
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I'm not really a long term expert. I just live here - sorry. I did have ancestor/relatives in Co. Durham from 1840s but I only moved up in 1967.
I remember the Byker Wall being built. It was pretty :)
Michael might be able to throw some light on the mushrooms.
Seasons greetings :)
JL
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Might be a bit late in the day but did you ever find out where Hotspur & Percy streets were in the St. Peters area of Newcastle?
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I realise this is an old thread, but it has been resurrected, so here on the 1896 large scale town plan, is the Hare and Hounds on the corner of Hotspur Street (running N–S) and St Lawrence Road (running W–E).
https://tinyurl.com/4mumjxkx (https://tinyurl.com/4mumjxkx)
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And here is a side-by-side view showing the modern location. Note however that on this OS map (not sure of the exact edition, but presumably a later 25 inch map) Hotspur Street is renamed as Potter Street. The Hare and Hounds is still there.
https://tinyurl.com/3jjm6hya (https://tinyurl.com/3jjm6hya)
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Thank you for your help.
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Good to see my old original post being resurrected.
I will encourage me to re-visit my research on our Byker ancestors.
Many thanks for the recent posts.
I'll report back if I have anything more to add.
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I have concluded that Percy Street was renamed to Hotspur Street, which was later renamed to Potter Street.
Newspaper references:
"Percy Street, St Peters" go from 1835 to 1868
"Hotspur Street, St Peters" go from 1872 to 1906 (an article announcing the renaming to Potter Street).
On the large scale town plan of 1896 the Hare and Hounds is at the north end of Hotspur Street. In the 1861 census the Hare and Hounds is the first site listed in Percy Street (which is preceded by Chapel Street). In the 1871 census Jonas Bamborough, innkeeper, is in Percy Street (no name of inn given), but we know from newspapers that he was of the Hare and Hounds.
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Hi Bykerlads, out of curiosity I lived in Byker from 1954 (born there) until 1966. What names do you have in your tree?
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Alan, thanks for the info about Jonas Bambrough, a name appearing in a number of generations of the family.
And indeed, in 1853/4/5 there was mention in the press of the name in connection with housebreaking and counterfeit coinage! The Bambroughs were glassmakers by trade and jn 1871 Jonas is "publican and glassmaker"
Paul, our immediate Byker relatives had left in the mid 1930's, Joseph and Eliza Mary West and their son Herbert Edward. They moved to Huddersfield. Previously they had a shop on the Walker Road.
The Wests in Byker go back to at least 1780. In 1841 they were at Dents Hole and Birds Nest, Other names are Spatchett, McDonough, Bambrough, Russell, Reay., Wolff.
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Thanks Bykerlad, don’t recognise any of those names but worth an ask. 👍👍