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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: nedster on Tuesday 21 December 10 11:39 GMT (UK)
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I hope someone can assist in this problem.
I have found that Mary Ann Silversides married a James Cassence in Jul 12 1858, Bethnal Green.
The name has been transcribed as cassence, but i cant seen to go back through the census or even forward by searching the name, they did have two children James Henry born 1858 and George 1862, which have also benn transcribed as cassence.
Has any body came across the name before, or any ideas what it could be?
Thank You
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At the moment the only 1 I can find is on 1851 living
32 Tate St St Andrew Holborn
ref H0107/1514 folio 233 page 67
William Cassence
lodger occ furrier
aged 23 born London.
I am still searching
Louisa Maud
PS Do you think it should be COUSENS?
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There are no birth registrations for James Henry 1858 or George 1862 under Cassence
Where is it you have seen the children?
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BAPT St Dunstans All Saints Stepney
James Henry Cassence
02/01/1859
born 10/12/1858
address at bapt 168 North St Limehouse
occ carman
Louisa Maud
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Hi,
Thanks for the quick response, i did find both baptism records for the children on Ancestory, the problem i have is i cant find any of the family in future census records, i have no knowledge of who James Cassence parents were,only his father from the marriage certificate, which i also found on Ancestory. i have looked at the certificate many times, and i am not convinced its Cassence, i think its been transcribed wrongly. If you look closley it could be Calfence, but thats not given me any census records.
Thanks again for your efforts in my plight.
David
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Have you tried on ancestry just putting in child's name and parents, date of birth plus or minus 2 years, born London and see what it comes up with
Louisa Maud
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How about
James Henry CASSONS
Reg Mar qtr 1859
Stepney
ref 1c 519
Louisa Maud
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Well it looks as if there is a mixture of surnames IF they all belong to your James and Mary Ann
George CASSENCES
bapt St Mary Stepney 20/04/1862
born 07/02/1862
address looks like 2 Whitehorte Place or Whitchorte Place
LM
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The bapt for 1864 is for Henry James transcribed as Cassenchs
There is also a William Cassence birth reg Dec qtr 1868 St.George in the East free BDM
There is a private tree on A.... researching your Cassence family.
Jennifer
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Hi,
Many thanks to Louisa & Jennifer, for the time you both spent in looking for the Cassence surname, that gives me a few more avenues to explore.
David
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I have searched just by putting in parents names on 1861 but nothing comes up, I am intrigued, LM
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I guess the east end dialect got lost in translation when the marriage took place, of the vicar was a bit tipsy,
Looking at the grooms signature it makes me think its Cafence, it certainly does not look like a double S.
David.
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If as you say you haven't found them on a census how did you find out who they were
Wasn't double S spelt as an FS, or am I imagining it
LM
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Hi,
Mary Siversides was the sister of my gg grandmother so i knew she exsisted, when i searched on ancestory for any records relating to her, i came across her marriage certificate to James Cassence, and the baptism records for the two children, then i hit the brick wall as no census records seem to exsist after the wedding, or any records for James before he got married.
Am happy to scan the certicate to you as i think it would make sense as to what i am trying to explain about the wording on the certificate.
Once again many thanks for your time and effort.
David
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I have looked at similar names with double S and they are shown as FS, intriguing though isn't it
LM
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It is known as the long S. If you google it you will get an explaination and examples.
Jennifer