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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: RobtWB on Sunday 19 December 10 07:27 GMT (UK)
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Looking for the parents of David Galletly, born Jul 22, 1815 in Bridgend, Perth. He married Ann (Agnes) McLean in 1841 at Scone. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.
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hi RobtWB
welcome to rootschat :)
the IGI familysearch website has -
david galletly birth 22 july 1815 , baptised 24th july 1815 kinnoul perth
parents david galletly and margaret scott
also marriage 12th december 1804 perth perth , david gelletly and margaret scott
ev
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i wonder if this could be the death of the father ?
perth burgh burial registers 1798 - 1855
david galletly , weaver , kinnoul causeway
died 27th september 1852 age 73
burial 30th september 1852 greyfriars
ev
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Hi, I too have GALLETLYs from Perth, quite a few of them came to New Zealand & settled in Canterbury. One was a Peter Galletly who married Marjory McLauchlan also born Perth. Scone also comes up amongst them so quite likely a connection.
Do you have your tree at GenesReunited? If so you can view my tree, otherwise I have a forum with Galletlys in at:
http://mymclauchlankin.proboards.com/index.cgi
which you are most welcome to join.
Tiffaney
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Thank you both for such quick replies and the welcome. Ev, I do have that information from the IGI, but I've found nothing else to substantiate it. I recently came across a distant cousin of mine who lives near Perth, and she sent me copies from the register there of all David and Margaret's children, but David (jr.) was not one of them. She was a little surprised by that, as was I. I've done enough of this over the years to know the IGI can be wrong, so I'm trying to find confirmation from another source. I haven't seen the microfiche the IGI has yet, unfortunately I live over 40 miles from the nearest Family History Center, but it's on my to-do list.
I've learned the hard way from past mistakes that it's always better to have at least 2 corroborating sources, preferably three (or more) but as the records get older and further back in time that's not always possible. I'm hoping that someone might have a different source than the IGI that shows the family relationship.
That might be the father Ev, he was also according to his children's birth records first a corporal (1805) than a sergeant in the Perth Royal Militia.
Thanks for the forum offer Tiffaney, I'll check it out. And thank you both for the help.
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David Galletly b 22/7/1815 Kinnoul with parents David Galletly and Margaret Scott is on ScotlandsPeople :)
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did david galletly(jr.) and family emmigrate or remain in scotland ?
i see a death on scotlandspeople in 1861 david galletly perth perth born c1816
perhaps you have looked at this already :-\
ev
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Hi Ev. As far as I know, David stayed in Scotland. His son William born 1845 in Scone, my ancestor, married Agnes Scobie in 1874 also in Scone. So at least by 1874 it seems they were still in Scotland. Some short time after that William and Agnes moved to near Manchester, where two of their three daughters were born. Their last daughter was born in Hunslet, Yorkshire, where William died in 1884. He was listed as a "timekeeper" on the 1881 census, probably at one of the mills nearby.
William's middle daughter Isabella was my great-grandmother. She was born in Patrycroft, Lancashire in 1878. At some point, probably not long after William died, the family seems to have moved back to Scotland. That's where Isabella met and married William Speed. Their first three children were all born in Scotland. They emigrated to the States in 1909, to Massachusetts.
I have no date of death for either of the Davids, father or son. The one you wrote of earlier Ev, in 1852, is very likely the father, but right now I can't be sure. David was such a common name with the Galletlys, it makes it doubly tough.
Cambron, thanks for the reply, I have that info also. Problem for me is I have a ScotlandsPeople account, but right now with the economy here in Montana being as it is, getting copies from them is not in the budget. For a while at least I have to limit myself to what I can find elsewhere. I've found plenty of possibles there, but the listing doesn't tell enough, I'd need to see the original, and well, you know how expensive that can be. :(
Robt
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Hi Robt (Montana)
Although we are working on Blair Atholl parish, we can look up a few Scone/Perth OPR if that would be helpful.
Just give specific names and dates.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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if you can track down davids death cert. it should name his parents and wife
which should provide "proof" that you have the right person :-\
william's marriage cert.(1874) should show if his father was alive or deceased
by that time. that would give us a starting point
if we can find him on the census(1851/1861/1871) we should be able to narrow down a possible death
i see 2 david's in perthshire(b. c1815 +/- 5 years) on the 1881 census but i don't think either is your david
ev
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Wow! I have to say you folks are just wonderful! I'm truly appreciative of all the help and support I've received on this board, I can't express that enough.
I know it would be helpful to find him on the census and see his death certificate and such, and I'm fairly certain I could do both on Scotlands People, but as I've mentioned, the cost is prohibitive right now. Unfortunately, I've been out of work going on 6 months, so things as you can imagine are a bit tight, and the genealogy has to take a back seat to more important things. But enough of my tale of woe.
This is what I have: David Galletly, son of David and Margaret Scott, born July 22, 1815 in Bridgend, Perth. He married Ann (Agnes) McLean Dec 11, 1841 in Scone. Ann was born July 9, 1820 in Methven, Perthshire. Their first son (and these are just the ones I have record of) was John, born May 6, 1842 in Scone. Next was Alexander, born July 3, 1843 in Scone. Then came William, who was born July 23, 1845, also in Scone. Whether or not there were other children I haven't been able to find out. All this info came from the IGI, I have no copies of any original documents to verify or expand on any of it, other than David and Margaret's other children. As I wrote before, David Jr. was not among them.
I would imagine all David and Ann's children and possibly more would be in the 1851 census at least. If anyone knows of another, free source for the census I'd love to hear of it. I'd hate for anyone to be using up their credits on Scotlands People on my account. It's just not that important right now.
Throth, hello and thank you. If you're local and can without too much trouble or any cost look up David and Ann's marriage and verify the parents, that would be tremendously helpful. Again, David's are listed on the IGI as David and Margaret Scott, Ann's as Alexander McLean and Ann Young.
And Ev, as always, thank you. You're a peach!
Robt
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Gellatly Family
Scone OPR 11th December 1841 (i.e. after the 1841 census)
David Galletly & Ann McLean, both in this parish, having been regularly and publickly proclaimed were married.
Kinnoul OPR
James, son of David Galletly, corporal in the Perthshire Militia, and Margaret Scott his wife was born the 1st and baptised 8th December (1805)
Kinnoul OPR
Charles, son to David Galletly, serjeant in the Perthshire Militia, and Margaret Scott his wife, residing in Bridgend was born 2nd and baptised 5th October (1917)
The IGI has a large gap between the birth of James (1805) and the other children. Was the Perthshire Militia fighting in the Napoleonic Wars?
James Gellatly as above 1805
Margaret Gellatly born / baptised 1812 Kinnoul (not found yet)
David Gellatly born / baptised 1815 Kinnoul (not found yet)
Charles Gellatly as above 1817
John Gellatly born / baptised 1824 Kinnoul (not found yet)
There is also IGI reference to a Helen Galletly born in Perth January 1822 who may be a daughter but we can see no supporting evidence.
There is at least one other Galletly / Gellatly family living in the Kinnoul area. In addition, one of the gravestones in the cemetery suggests a link with Errol families of the same name.
McLean family
Methven OPR 9th January 1803
Proclaimed, Alexander Mclean & Agnes Young, both in this parish
(so not much help there)
All the following are Methven OPR entries and follow the same standard format
16th July 1811 born Barbra May daughter to Alexander McLean, wright at Methven Castle, & Ann Young his wife. baptised 4th August
5th September 1813 born Robert ... etc ...baptised 19th
12th December 1815 born William ... etc ...baptised 24th
29th May 1818 born Janet ... etc ...baptised 14th June
9th July 1820 born Ann ... etc ...baptised 23rd
28th June 1822 born Cecilia ... etc ...baptised 14th July
2nd February 1825 born George daughter to Alexander McLean, wright at Methven Castle, & Ann Young his wife. baptised 19th
1841 Census
Lochside Mrs Ann McLean 58y born in Perthshire
Ann 19y born in Perthshire
Cicillia 17y born in Perthshire
George 15y born in Perthshire
The Census returns following were for Lochty, so this is Methven Loch which is being referred to. Not too far from Huntingtower, to the west of Perth.
Throth
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Hi All
In the 1851 census for back road Scone we have the following:
David Galletly head mar 48 handloom weaver cotton Perthshire Scone
Agnes wife 30 Clackmanon
William son 5 Perthshire Scone
----- Patrick Niece 17 Wool spinner Perthshire Dunblane
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi guys.
Again I can't thank you enough. Throth, you asked if the Perthshire militia were fighting in the Napoleonic Wars, as far as I know the answer is no. You can find out more at this link:
http://www.scottishmilitaryarticles.org.uk/smhsarticle_Lineage_Militia.htm
It's a site on all the Scottish units from about the 17th century on. Pretty interesting stuff.
As for Helen Galletly, I've attached what was sent to me by my much-removed cousin in Perth. As you can see in it they spelled the name Gellatly, but I believe it's Galletly. I've often run across this spelling mistake, largely I'm sure because of the proximity of the two different spelling families.
You folks have been a boon to me and my research. Thank you all so very much. If there's anything I can do to repay in any way your kindness, please don't hesitate to ask. If I don't hear or get back to you before, I wish you all Happy Holidays.
Robt
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probably wrong to think of the surname spelling as a mistake at this time
many people were not literate and spelling depended on who was doing the
writing
the 1841 census is a good example of the various spellings of some names ,
when searching it's best to keep an open mind to possible spelling of surnames
later in the century spelling became more rigid as people were given a better
education
ev
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The following has been posted on GenForum by Dianne Zijlstra 14 May 2008.
Would love to find parents & Siblings of my g.g.grandfather John McLauchlan born 1801 Dunkeld Perthshire, possibly christened in Moulin.
John married Marjery MILNE born Cargill, Perth, at Coupar Angus in 1824.
They had the following children:
Ann b: 1825 Perth married David DUNN in Perthshire
John b: 1828 Perth married Margaret Smith in New Zealand
May b: 1831 Perth married Peter Galletly in Perth
William b: 1836 Perth married Christina Sutherland in NZ
James b: 1839 St. Martins married Mary Ann McLeary in NZ
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Any help or suggestions will be most appreciated.
Known relative or coincidence?
Throth
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Throth, I put some info I found on the "MENZIES, Kathrine - Perth., Scotland." post, hopefully it'll be some help. I'm afraid at least on my end I don't have a Peter Galletly. Sorry.
Robt
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Sorry Robt,
These look like Tiffaney's branch of McLauchlans.
Have a good Christmas,
Throth