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Looking for family info for Emma Folkes who married Jonathan Dobbins of Broadway at Kidderminster in 1824.
1851 Census shows her born in Ireland, British Subject c 1805.
I have found Richard Folkes and family in Broadway, in 1841 Census, but cannot connect Emma.
Any insight will be much appreciated!
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1841. Broadway.
Jonathan Dobbins 59. Ag lab.
Emma Dobbins 36.
Richard Dobbins 10.
William Dobbins 7.
Jane Dobbins 4.
Mary Dobbins 1.
Next door,
Richard Lothes 42. Sawyer. Folkes on image.
Ann Lothes 11.
Elizabeth Lothes 7.
Richard Lothes 4.
Mary Lothes 1.
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Thanks for your quick response to my post, Jim1212!
Jonathan and Emma Dobbins' son William (age 7 in the 1841 Census) was my g-g-grandfather who came to Canada in 1857.
I assume that Richard Folkes of Broadway must be a relative of Emma's, but have not been able to find a connection.
I'm hoping that someone with knowledge of the Folkes family in Broadway can provide a clue, or that perhaps one may exist in the Kidderminster marriage records for 1824...!?!?
Ruthmez
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What makes you think there is a Kidderminster connection.
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At google books, in a volume entitled "The New Monthly Magazine and Literary Journal - Vol XII - Historical Collection" London. Printed for Henry Colburn, New Burlington Street, 1824 ... I found a list of marriages at Kidderminster in 1824, including "Mr. J. Dobbins of Broadway, to Miss E. Folkes"
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I live in Kidderminster, and the only marriages for that time I have come across in the local library would be St Mary's church.
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Thanks for the lead, jim1212... I'll see what I'm able to find.
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At google books, in a volume entitled "The New Monthly Magazine and Literary Journal - Vol XII - Historical Collection" London. Printed for Henry Colburn, New Burlington Street, 1824 ... I found a list of marriages at Kidderminster in 1824, including "Mr. J. Dobbins of Broadway, to Miss E. Folkes"
do you have a link for this, please?
thanks,
Lisa
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Hi Lisa,
The link to this is extremely long and I'm not sure how to attach it here, so go to http://books.google.ca and in the search window enter New Monthly Magazine 1824 Vol XII
The specific reference I quoted is on page 95.
Hope this works for you,
Ruthmez
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I have just looked at that and I understand it to be,
At Sa. John's Worcester. Mr Tibbetts to Miss M. Beasley - Mr J. Dobbins. of Broadway, to Miss E. Folkes.
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Hi Lisa,
The link to this is extremely long and I'm not sure how to attach it here, so go to http://books.google.ca and in the search window enter New Monthly Magazine 1824 Vol XII
The specific reference I quoted is on page 95.
Hope this works for you,
Ruthmez
Thanks very much Ruthmex, the link is great.
I googled for it yesterday and didn't find it.
Lisa
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My thanks to you again, jim1212- my eye obviously went right to the names I was looking for and missed that pertinent detail
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Hi,
In case it helps this looks like Richard's christening,
Richard FOLKES
29th June 1798, Broadway, Worcestershire
Father: John FOLKES
Mother: Mary
I have found other children to this couple,
Anne FOLKES
22 July 1787, Broadway, Worcestershire
William FOLKES
08 March 1789, Broadway, Worcestershire
John Goldsby FOLKES
27th December 1792, Broadway, Worcestershire
Sarah FOLKES
19th December 1795, Broadway, Worcestershire
Charles FOLKES
24th April 1803, Broadway, Worcestershire
James FOLKES
3rd March 1808, Broadway, Worcestershire
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi,
We’ve just seen your post and as I am a Folkes from Broadway I will try and help with what little information I have uncovered in doing my tree.
I’m afraid I don’t have either the Emma Folkes that you mention or the John Dobbins showing up. If it helps at all though, the Mary mentioned above as being married to John Folkes and the mother of Richard Folkes was a Dobbins before marriage. I would guess it is possible that John Dobbins is a relation, a brother maybe, although I have no proof of this.
Good luck with your search!
Hannah
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Thank you both, Daisy and Hannah, for the valuable Folkes information.
Interesting clues whichI hope may lead me in the right direction... the search continues!
Ruthmez
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Hi there
Just seen this post. I am distantly related to the Emma Folkes/ Dobbins mentioned. Not sure who the Richard Folkes is living in Broadway, though I'm guessing there must be some connection. Anyway, according to what I've found, Emma Folkes was one of 7 children of a Richard Folkes (army employee) and Judith Reynolds. The 7 children are listed in a will from 1854:
Caroline Tallance, Susannah Cotton, Louisa Frankes, Richard Folkes, Emma Dobbins, Harriot Saunders and Ellen Fenn (my gt gt gt grandmother) and Ellen's 2 children Frederick and Emma - my gt gt grandmother. Emma Dobbins' daughter Jane is shown living with Thomas Fenn (husband of Ellen) and Emma Fenn in 1861 in Kensington. Have a fair bit more information if anyone's interested. Like most branches of my family, no-one seems to have stayed put in one area, which makes the research harder. Again, not sure what connection the Richard Folkes (son of John) is to the above family, but since he married a Dobbins, it would seem there is certainly a link.
Best regards
Duncan
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Hello there Duncan and others,
I have been trying to fit together all the relatives named by Matilda Sampson of Ramsgate in her will of 1857, which you Duncan mentioned. The 7 or more children of Richard and Judith Folkes seem to have been born in widely separated areas including Richard jr and Emma in Ireland (as I have concluded like the earlier poster), based on them living next door in Broadway in that census. But if anyone has any more information about them please put it here.
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Hi John,
Since my first post about Emma Folkes I've discovered a fair amount about her family, including the information from Matilda Sampson's Will as shared by Duncan. As he indicated in his post, the children of Judith Reynolds and Richard Folkes have such diverse birthplaces because Richard was in the Army. I've lately been tracking his career through the Army Lists and can share that info with you along with what I've learned about Emma's siblings if this is of interest to you. I'd be interested in anything you know about Matilda and the rest of her family.
Please send me a personal message and I will pull the details together for you.
Marna
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Thanks Marna, I will send you a message in a day or two.
Matilda Sampson was the last surviving child of Stephen Sampson and Elizabeth née Rutter. (I think they were cousins who married.) She died aged 90 and neither she nor any of her siblings married or had children, hence her will dispersing her estate among the children of numerous deceased cousins. See the transcription of a family memorial here (number 61a)
http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsRamsgate/01.htm (http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsRamsgate/01.htm)
My ancestor was Edward Charles Rutter one of the sons of Edward Sampson Rutter by his first wife. When I get time I will post on the web what I have found about the beneficiaries of her will and post a link here.
John
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Hello John and others
Just seen yr post. Very interested in any information on the Matilda Sampson will. I've surmised that the named beneficiary Judith Folkes (nee Reynolds) is the daughter of a Joseph Reynolds and a Susannah Lamb who married in Dover in 1771. The Lamb name recurs in the will, but I confess myself stumped as to how they are all related to Matilda! I've also assumed that Sarah Rockett and Joseph Reynolds are siblings of Judith and thus children of the above Joseph and Susannah.
Much obliged for any information on these people.
Best regards from Manchester
Duncan S Watts
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Hi, I'm new to the forum and just found this thread. Emma and Jonathon wee my Gt Gt Gt Grandparents. According to my family tree they were married at St Mary de Lode, Worcestershire on 11th December 1823. This church shows as being in Gloucestershire now so not sure if the county changed or it is a mistake. A
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Hi Annie,
Jonathan and Emma were my 3x great grandparents as well... I'm descended from their son William (b1833), who emigrated to Canada in 1858. I've not been able to find any official record of their marriage, so am very interested in the source of your info re St Mary de Lode on 11 Dec 1823. The only reference I've found so far is as mentioned in the thread above: The New Monthly Magazine and Literary Journal - Vol X11 of 1824 which states only that they were married at "Sa. John's, Worcester", which I assumed was St Johns Parish.
Which of Jonathan and Emma's children is your ancestor? Look forward to hearing from you,
Marna
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Hi Annie,
The church St Mary de Lode is not just in Gloucestershire but actually in Gloucester city itself.
http://www.achurchnearyou.com/gloucester-st-mary-de-lode-st-nicholas/
Here is a record of the parish register entry:
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1143773
The very next record, Emma's sister two days later:
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1143774
Thanks to Marna (Ruthmez) for putting together all the research on Richard and Judith Folkes and their ten children which I have uploaded here:
http://johninsussex.webspace.virginmedia.com/Folkes.html
I've also updated the Reynolds page with Marna's discoveries about Reynolds & sons, playing card makers.
John
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This looks like the source of the Worcestershire connection, from "New Monthly Magazine", Feb, 1824:
(http://johninsussex.webspace.virginmedia.com/WorcsFeb1824.jpg)
A couple of pages earlier under Glooucestershire:
(http://johninsussex.webspace.virginmedia.com/GlosFeb1824.jpg)
It would seem that a marriage was listed under the county either because of the venue ("At Kidderminster"), or the origin of one of the parties ("of Broadway") - not both.
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Thank you everyone, there's some very interesting information there, I'm very grateful to you all. My nephew researched our family tree, I checked with him and you are correct Johninsussex, that was his source of info. My gt gt Grandfather was John Dobbins who called himself Fred, he married Ann Bennett, which coincidentally was my maiden name. His son Frederick moved to Birmingham and was a steeplejack, he fell off Saltley gas works in 1907 and died. My Grandad John Dobbins (known as Fred) eventually lived in Birmingham and my Mom and Dad lived with him and his wife Gertrude when I was born. My Mom was one of eleven born to Fred and Gert. A