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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: J. Elderfield on Friday 17 December 10 04:08 GMT (UK)
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In searching for my RODWAYs in Greater London, England, I have come across several other RODWAY families, who may or may not be related.
I have census and other details for James & Mary RODWAY, of St. Leonard's Shoreditch, and some of their children. Another family is Samuel & Mary RODWAY, and their son Samuel jr., of Finsbury / Clerkenwell.
These two families seem to have been in the furniture-making and finishing business.
Another family is William & Margaret RODWAY of St. Luke's / Finsbury, and their children, including son William jr. The senior William was in iron foundry, and several of the children were in book binding.
Another family is that of John RODWAY & Eliza, inn-keepers in Westminster in 1861, bakers in Greenwich in 1871.
I also have some information about Emanuel RODWAY (another baker) and his first wife Sarah, and second wife Mary.
If you descend from any of these families, let's get in touch. Our RODWAY families may be connected back there....
--J. Elderfield
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Hi JE - I'm descended from William/Margaret. Hope I can assist you. Kanskar
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Hello, Kanskar--
That's exciting news! My lot of RODWAYs are:
James and Mary RODWAY. Occupation: Labourer. Three children known:
1) John, christened 1818, Eltham, Kent (but possibly born Gloucestershire). Died 1872. Occupations: Boot maker; Broker; Furniture dealer. Married Ann Maria KNOWLDEN 1841, Bromley. Children: Ann Maria 1842, James John 1844, John 1847. Wife died 1849.
2) Richard, chr 1820, Eltham, Kent. Died 1880. Occupations: Waterman & Lighterman; Trinity House Pilot. Married Mary Ann WISE 1845. Children: step-daughter Mary Ann; foster son / nephew James John RODWAY 1844 (son of brother John).
3) Mary, b. ~ 1826, Deptford or Greenwich, Kent. Married John LOVELOCK 1849, Greenwich. Children: John, Mary Ann, George, Ann, Sarah, Alice, Harriet.
Do your RODWAYs connect at any point with these?
Do you have any Charles RODWAY, baker, in your lot? (I'm looking for the hit-and-run father of a child born Lewisham 1879.)
Thanks--
JElderfield
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JE - Unfortunately I don't think there is a connection between our families at this stage.
My James & Mary married in 1807 - James is either from Ledbury in Herefordshire or from Shoreditch (Liberty of Norton Folgate) and had children for the next 23-25 years (baptised around Clerkenwell/Shoreditch) including a John in 1830.
I would be interested to know what info you have found on this James & Mary to see if this tallies with what I have.
Sorry I cannot be of more help at present
Kanskar
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Well, thank you, kanskar. I was really hoping that with the "furniture" and "baker" occupations, your James & Mary RODWAY would turn out to be the same couple as my James and Mary RODWAY. Oh, well, they may yet turn out to be related some way....
No Charles RODWAY, Baker, in your lot...?
The short version of what I found about your lot is this:
James, born ~ 1784, Ledbury Herefordshire (or else Middlesex), d. 1867 Shoreditch.
Wife Mary, born ~ 1788, Wales (or else Middlesex), d. 1879 Shoreditch.
Possible marriage: James RODWAY to Mary GRIFFITHS, 25 May 1807, Shoreditch.
Occupations: French polisher; Biscuit baker; or both.
Known children:
George, b. ~1815, Lambeth, cabinet maker / cabinet finisher, m. Elizabeth; at least 10 children.
Eliza, b. ~1825, Clerkenwell, m. 1843 John EDMONDS, former Navy carpenter; cabinet maker; cabinet finisher; at least 6 children.
Martha, b. ~ 1830.
John, b. ~ 1830, French polisher, actor.
Other possible children:
Ann, 1810, St. Pancras;
James, 1812, St. Pancras;
Sarah, 1814, Marylebone.
Where do your William & Margaret fit in?
I expect you have all this already--and more--but contact me again if any questions about my findings. And thanks,
J Elderfield
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Apologies - I owe you a reply - I'll sort that out this week. Kanskar
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Sorry, nearly 4 months late:
Children of James Rodway and Mary/Maria Griffiths:
Mary Georgiana 1806 (Baptised 1808) - 1891 never married but also known as Beasley
William James 1808-1876 m Margaret Stock 1832
Ann 1810- m Joseph Williams 1832
James 1812-1842 m Mary Moran 1837
George c1816- m Elizabeth
Joseph 1821-1841
Eliza 1824- m John Edmonds 1843
Martha 1827- m William Clark 1858
John 1830- m Maria Robson Shuffrey 1861
Two other possible siblings:
Sarah c1814- m George Cooper 1835 (and emigrated to USA)
Elizabeth c1820-
James later marries Mary Mercer in 1855 (witness daughter Eliza and her husband) - says Father is William Rodway (a Wheelwright)
He says he is born Ledbury, Herefordshire on census between 1784-1786 - on marriage to Mary Griffiths he is of the parish of Liberty of Norton Folgate in London.
Not seen anything for him in the Ledbury area as yet.
Cheers (and sorry once again for the delay) - Kanskar
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Thanks for your reply, Kanskar. Delay was no problem--I'd gotten involved with other ancestral lines in the meantime.
No, I don't see--yet--any point of connection between your RODWAYs and mine.
Have you done any research forward in time about Mary GRIFFITHS' family? I have a RODWAY / GRIFFITHS connection in the early 19th century.
The GRIFFITHS associated with my RODWAYs are George and Tryphena GRIFFITHS of Collerston Rd, Greenwich, in 1901. George is a "Slater", born Peckham around 1865.
His parents appear to be Matilda and George GRIFFITHS sr. (also a Slater, also born Peckham, around 1833).
Do you know anything of them?
And I'm still looking for my mystery man, "Charles RODWAY, baker", who fathered a child born in 1879 in Lewisham and hasn't been seen before or after....
Jane Elderfield
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I have a connection with James Rodway and Mary Griffiths.Along the line of his son George. His son James born 1848, who I am sure is my g/grandad
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Hello, Nicobar--
Thanks for replying.
As you will have seen from the postings above, James RODWAY & Mary GRIFFITH don't appear to be "my" RODWAYs, but they are in Kanscar's ancestry.
Would you post up a bit about your line of descent from George and his son James?
And, by the way, is there any Charles RODWAY, baker, in your line? Or any connection to "my" RODWAYs above? Or to George & Tryphena GRIFFITHS above? Ever hopeful--
J. Elderfield
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Did you know that the Mary of Mary and James Rodway was a Griffiths?
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....Have you done any research forward in time about Mary GRIFFITHS' family? I have a RODWAY / GRIFFITHS connection in the early 19th century.
The GRIFFITHS associated with my RODWAYs are George and Tryphena GRIFFITHS of Collerston Rd, Greenwich, in 1901. George is a "Slater", born Peckham around 1865.
His parents appear to be Matilda and George GRIFFITHS sr. (also a Slater, also born Peckham, around 1833).
Do you know anything of them?....
Oh dear, got my years and centuries mixed up again. I meant "early 1900s" OR "early 20th century". Sorry for the confusion.
J. Elderfield
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Hello J Elderfield
James (b1847) was the 2nd son of George Rodway.He married a Hannah Harriett Briggs in 1870.
They had 4 boys ,George ,James , John and Edward (b 1873) my granfather.
Nicobar
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Ah, yes, these would be the RODWAYs at 32 Lee Street, Tower Hamlets, St. Leonard Shoreditch in 1851, with Father George, 45, a Fancy Cabinet Finisher. James is aged 4.
Then in 1861, the family is at 16 Dorchester St., with James, aged 14, an apprentice to a Pocket-book Maker.
So your RODWAYs are in the same tree as Kanscar's. But perhaps, far enough back, my RODWAYs and yours/Kanscar's might be connected?
Thanks for posting, and congratulations on your research to date. Let us know if you make further progress back in time, or wider in geography.
JE
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In searching for my RODWAYs in Greater London, England, I have come across several other RODWAY families, who may or may not be related.
I have census and other details for James & Mary RODWAY, of St. Leonard's Shoreditch, and some of their children.
Another family is Samuel & Mary RODWAY, and their son Samuel jr., of Finsbury / Clerkenwell.
These two families seem to have been in the furniture-making and finishing business. ...
Here's something that caught my eye:
In the 1841 census for Clerkenwell, Finsbury, London, Samuel RODWAY, 40, Cabinet Maker, and family live in Noble Street.
Just down Noble street lives William DE BAR, 29, Coach Maker, and his family.
Now, William DE BAR's daughter Elizabeth (born 1844) grows up to marry a James John RODWAY of my family. The earliest progenitor that I know of in my family is James RODWAY, having children from 1818 (so presumably born in the late 1700s).
Is this coincidence? Or is Samuel RODWAY related to James RODWAY, the progenitor of my RODWAYs?
I did a little more digging. Samuel RODWAY (the cabinet maker) says on the 1861 census that he was born in Woodchester, Gloucestershire, around 1796
I didn't find his birth on FamilySearch, but did find James 1797, Sarah 1799, William 1800, Mary 1802, Harriot 1803, Winefred 1805, Horatio 1806 and Charles RODWAY 1807, all christened in Woodchester.
Their father was Samuel RODWAY, so it's not unreasonable to assume that there was also a son Samuel RODWAY (the cabinet maker), whose chr. is not found.
Just two miles away in Rodborough, Gloucestershire, were more christenings to a Samuel RODWAY and wife Sarah:
Frances 1791, Betty 1792, Thomas 1793, John 1794.
This reasonably makes a family of 13 children from 1791 to 1807, with Samuel RODWAY (not found, around 1796) in the middle.
The marriage of Samuel RODWAY to "Sarah or Mary" FLETCHER 05 Aug 1790 in Rodborough looks pretty likely to be the parents.
This would suggest that perhaps Samuel RODWAY the cabinet maker and my James RODWAY were brothers, and that both moved up to the Greater London area as young men. James' grandson James John could reasonably have visited his cousins in Clerkenwell and made the acquaintance of the DE BAR daughter....
William DE BAR, by the way, was from Gloucester City, and apparently also came up to London as a young man, where he married a Bermondsey girl, Mary (probably the Mary Waller MERCER chr. in Bermondsey 1817, and married in Newington 1835.)
That's my best thinking to date.
JE
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Hi J.Elderfield,
Your James Rodway features in my tree :) His brother John married into my Sumner family. Their grandfather was Thomas Wicks Rodway, born 1738 in Woodchester, Gloucestershire. I'm working on this branch of my tree at the moment and have managed to trace it back to the late 1600's/early 1700's with the marriage of a Matthew Rodway to Mary (unknown).
Slow going, but I'm getting there.
Regards,
Crista
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Hello, fe_nyx,
Thanks for your reply about James RODWAY of Woodchester, Gloucestershire.
I'm not certain that the James RODWAY of Woodchester is "my" James Rodway--but I hope so! There is a possible tie-in with Samuel, b. Woodchester and the rest of the Rodborough/Woodchester RODWAYs, as outlined in my long message above on this Forum.
The first record that I know about that is definitely "my" James RODWAY is a labourer in Eltham, Kent, with wife Mary, at the christening of their son John 06 Dec. 1818.
Another son, Richard RODWAY was chr. 01 Apr. 1821, also in Eltham.
A third child that I know of was Mary RODWAY, b. New Cross, Greenwich, Kent abt. 1826.
I have fairly good details about these three, their occupations and addresses, and their spouses, children and grandchildren.
1. John started as a bootmaker, later became a furniture broker, and lived in the Lewisham/Greenwich area of Kent (now greater London). He married Ann Maria KNOWLDEN and they had three children before she died.
2. Richard trained as a waterman and lighterman on the Thames, and became a Trinity pilot. He married a Mary Ann WISE, who already had a daughter. They did not have any children of their own (that I know of), but fostered nephew James John (John RODWAY's son) after the little boy's mother Ann Maria died.
3. Mary married John LOVELOCK, a flax dresser or labourer, of Greenwich, Kent. They had at least seven children.
Does any of this info from "my" RODWAYs tie in to "your" RODWAYs of Gloucestershire? I'd be excited to know!
Contact me by Personal Message if you wish to exchange email addresses.
J. Elderfield
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I am new to this forum and wow I'm so glad I found this thread - I recently was given a family tree of my fathers side (Rodway).....and I can now fill in some gaps:
Kanskar - "Children of James Rodway and Mary/Maria Griffiths" - these people are my great x 5 grandparents through their son William James Rodway (1808-1876 m Margaret Stock, 1832).
They had a son William Rodway (Kanskar - "Another family is William & Margaret RODWAY of St. Luke's / Finsbury, and their children, including son William jr. The senior William was in iron foundry, and several of the children were in book binding.) Who married Martha Punter b.1837, St Lukes, Banner Maker.
Interestingly, Martha Punters father, William Punter (b. 1816, Flamstead, Cabinet Maker), married a women named Elizabeth RODWAY (b. 1818, Clerkenwell)
William Rodway and Martha Punter had three children (that I know of), of them Joseph Henry Rodway (b.1869, Clerkenwell, Bookbinder) married Annie Catherine Cannagh (b. 1868, Islington)
They had two children that I know of - Annie (b. 1892 Islington) and Joseph Henry Rodway (b. 1890 Hoxton, Boot Trade)....Joseph married Emily Clara Sills (b. 1880, illegitimate, workhouse, St Pancras/Camden, boot filler) in 1912 Islington
They had Joseph, who married Clara, and they were may grandparents.
Great to read a bit extra from this site, and I hope I have been a help to anyone searching for clues of there ancestry. Anyone related? I would love to know!
Cheers
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Hi Penerod, I am related to you through William & Martha.
So far, I've managed to find the following children for William & Martha and as you will see there is a rather large gap for more possibilities. Unfortunately (even with the help of Rootschat), the family appear not to be on the 1861 or 1871 census.
William Charles 1856-1901 (my great-great granddad)
Frederick James 1864-1872
John Walter 1866- (married Emma Doy)
Joseph Henry 01/08/1868 (bapt 04/10/1868 St Philip, Clerkenwell) . Family were living at 1 Wilmington Place.
Louis Vincent 1871
Margaret Eleanor 1872-
Jesse Herbert 1876-1878
Bertram Francis 1878-1879
Rose Adeline 1881-
Hope this is of help to you. Kanskar
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Hi everyone,
I'm hoping I may get a reply from one of you and hopefully somebody has a connection to my Rodway?
My great grandfather was Henry Rodway, who was born in Holborn (Camden London) in 1901 I believe. He married my great grandmother Ethel sweeting in 1930 in Islington and they eventually moved away to Stevenage (im not sure when).
Henry and his brothers or sons (not sure on names) were goldsmiths and apparently made king George VI's signet ring, queen Elizabeth II's engagement ring. He also was given the freedom of the city of London at some point in his life. I don't know if any of this is true, although I definitely know he was a goldsmith/jewellery maker.
I also heard stories of them running a fish stall at some point on chapel street.
I would be grateful of any information that anyone might have!
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Hi, Mamajan
Seen your recent post. I cannot say at this moment if our Rodways are connected. I would need to know who Henry's parents or maybe grandparents were to say for sure if our Rodways were linked or not.
Cheers
Kanskar
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Hi kanskar,
It just so happens I got some new info about his parents today! His mother was Elizabeth Dewson and his father was Alfred Rodway. They also lived in Camden area of London. I have his siblings names too. Nellie, Eliza, Samuel, William, Margaret, Alfred, Elizabeth and George.
If you see any links please let me know :) thanks Mamajam
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Mamajan. I believe we are related.
My 3xgreat grandad was William Rodway (1835-1911). His youngest brother was your Alfred (b 1862 St Luke's).
Parents were William James Rodway and Margaret (nee Stock).
A further generation back is James Rodway and Mary Griffiths.
Some of the previous posts give you some more names of family members.
Hope this helps. Kanskar.
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Oh wow! Yes! That is the exact information I have found out today via Genes Reunited, from another family member who is a descendant of Eliza Rodway (alfred's daughter - one of).
Except the furthest their tree goes back is to William Rodway and Margaret stock. So I didn't know william's middle name nor his parents names, so this is great news! I shall have a read back through the thread now I know this information. As the names meant nothing to me when I first posted on here, but now I will know who is who hopefully!
It's a pleasure to virtually meet you :)