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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: lyraea on Monday 13 December 10 19:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
I am asking a big favour here so if no one can help I understand.
I have a lot of relatives with the above name(s) who lived in Arlingham from the mid 1600s through to the 1800s. Some of them were buried in the St Marys churchyard / cemetery. I don't know yet what other cemeteries existed and who of them were buried there. I wondered if there is anyone who lives close to St Marys can possibly get photos or a note of inscriptions from any gravestones still standing or any other information that may be available from the church there. All these people are related but I haven't been able to tie a lot of them in and am hoping the insciptions or other info there might help.
I am willing to pay for any expenses incurred on my behalf.
thanks
lyraea
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Hi
You may have already found this site, it might be of use /interest to you?
www.glosgen.co.uk/arlingham.htm
I just Googled Arlingham out of curiosity and there are quite a few good hits as well
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Maybe something here:
http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genuki/GLS/Arlingham/MIs.html
Sue
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Hi - I live in Arlingham. Are you aware of the two excellent historical books about the village and its inhabitants? Goulding was and still is a common name around here so I am sure there will be details of some of them within the books.
My friend contributed to and published these books so if you are not familiar with them I will see if he has any still available if you like.
Chris
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Thanks to you all for your replies.
Chris and NDRFT - while the websites don't have any Gouldings (yet) they do have several other names of interest and I will be spending some time investigating them. Also haven't had the time to google yet but now it is the weekend I will be doing that as well. Appreciate your help.
Chris - no I am not familiar with them and yes I would be interested in those books as my maiden name is Goulding and many of my direct line and their siblings came from there through the 1600/1700s and beyond. So if your friend has them available or knows where I could get a copy please let me know. Thank you for letting me know about these as there are so many different things out there it is often hard to know which would be the most beneficial and of interest.
Again thank you all for your help.
rgds, lyraea
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Hello Lyraea
I see you are in New Zealand, so I guess you might not be able to visit Arlingham, which is a most beautiful place.
You might have found these pictures already, but I don't want you to miss them !
The church:
http://hibbitt.org.uk/gallery/places/arlingham__gloucestershire_-_st_mary_the_virgin%27s_church/
The village:
http://hibbitt.org.uk/gallery/places/arlingham__gloucestershire/
There are a lot of photos of graves on the same website, belonging to members of particular families obviously, but will give you some idea.
The books Chris mentions are quite exceptional. We had a look at them in the church this summer, but unfortunately couldn't get hold of them to buy. I would have loved to have them though.
Anne
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Sandra, is that you? It's Annie from the Hibbitt Family History website - we've conversed in the past. We're related on the Pitcher side although it's mainly my Fryer line which appear in Arlingham.
Although I haven't added them onto my tree yet, I believe an Elizabeth Goulding married into my Taysum line in 1776 so perhaps we're related through the Gouldings as well as the Fryers and Pitchers. You can see a monument to them inside the church at http://hibbitt.org.uk/gallery/graves___memorials/arlingham__gloucestershire_-_st_mary_the_virgin%27s_church___churchyard/0118/
I have a pdf file of the Arlingham MI's. There are one or two Gouldings...
(76) In memory of / JAMES, son of SAMUEL and / ELIZABETH GOULDING, of
this parish, / who was unfortunately drowned in the River / Severn,
June 15th 1807, aged 10 years. / [6 lines of verse]. / The above
SAMUEL GOULDING, died Augst. / 19th 1848, aged 74 years. / Also of
ELIZABETH, his widow, who died / June 1st 1853, aged 76 years.
(* 76).
Headstone with gently curved top; urn and floral design; inscription
incised; red sandstone.
The others are 20th century MI's.
Annie B
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Annie, this is off topic but I just want to congratulate you on your website - it's amazing!
Anne
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Thank you Anne for your kind remarks about my website. It's a labour of love. I never expected to enjoy family history so much when I started off with a 14 day free trial at Ancestry less than 4 years ago.
Sandra, are you aware of the Forest of Dean Family History site at: http://www.forest-of-dean.net - some of the 19th century parish records for Arlingham are online there including a number of Goulding/Golding entries.
I have lots of photographs of the Arlingham parish records which I and another Fryer descendant took of some of the films you can order from Family History Centres. I don't say that I have every single page because we were looking for specific names but your Gouldings may appear on our photos. I'm happy to take a look if you have a specific request but you'll need to give me a timescale as these pictures are indexed in chronological order only.
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Hi Anne - thanks for the reply. I have had the privilege of being in contact with Annie for some time now and agree with you about her site. Lots of info and obviously lots of effort.
Hi Annie - yes it's me. I didn't realise the Forest of Dean site would have Gouldings as, strangely I hadn't really heard of this place until recently. I have registered there now so will have a good look round when I get the authorisation back.
I found the relationship for Aaron and Elisabeth just a few days ago. Elisabeth is my 1st cousing 6 times removed. Our common ancestor is Thomas (marr Esther Dawes) and he is my 6th ggrandfather and her grandfather. I haven't yet got the James and Samuel you mention below so now I shall try to find out where they fit. There are still lots of Goldings in Arlingham that I haven't managed to fit in yet so will be working on the ones I have through the holidays.
Thanks also for offering to look through your parish record photos. It looks like my Goldings came to Arlingham around the 1670s so would really be interested in anything you might have in your copies before 1673. I have looked at one of the Arlington films in the FHC and found quite a few Goldings and these are the people I will be trying to tie in to my family. However I know I missed some because the film readers were quite old and the film difficult to read in parts especially at the beginning. Once I have worked through the others I found and tried to tie them in which, even though I know they are related isn't always easy, I will get back to you as I may definitely have some others at that stage.
On another note have you got any further back with the Pitchers or haven't you been looking for them. I can't get back further than James b abt 1690 marr Mary Driver. You remember the Arthur and Jane I incorrectly had as Benjamins parents - well I think I have managed to tie them back in but haven't put them back in my tree yet as a little more checking to do.
It is great to talk to you again and I do often check out your tree as well which is always helpful. I shall go through all the gravestone photos as see what is there and thanks again for all the info. Even if I already have it it is great to have confirmation from someone elses very thorough research.
thanks
sandra
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Hi Sandra,
I'll try and take a look at my images over the next few days. Do you have a tree online that I can work from?
Re Arthur Pitcher - I have one baptized in 1739, brother of our Benjamin senior, son of James & Mary. Haven't investigated who his wife was but was this the Arthur & Jane? I've been hesitant about putting Mary's maiden name (Driver) down as, if memory serves me correctly, this marriage took place somewhere in Bristol which doesn't exactly link in with Lydney. Do you have some further evidence to support her name? I still think James Pitcher was the son of Arthur & Anne bap in Newland in 1691 but further proof would be useful. Incidentally, the old FamilySearch site had this baptism as submitted by a member but it doesn't appear on the new site. Don't know where the original data comes from.
Thanks for the John Fryer entry in your email. This is where having photos of the parish records comes in useful as he was the son of John Fryer bricklayer. There at least 3 Fryer lines running consecutively in Arlingham but our line tended to have 'of Overton' in the description.
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Hi Annie
Thanks
Yes I do think this is the Arthur who is marr to Jane but haven't proved this yet either. It just seems to fit. Do you have a bap for Arthur because I can't find one. On new FS (is this where you were talking about when you said you couldn't find it or did you mean the Pilto/Beta sites) there is a Chr of James Pitcher on 15 Sep 1691 to Arthur Pitcher and Anne. It would be nice to find it somewhere else as well.
Re James and Mary Driver - not really. I have been wondering as well but I cannot find any other James and Mary marriages that fitted the timeframe and I don't know where she is from - it could be Bristol so they could have married there. I notice some trees on line have Mary Heyler but I haven't been able to find that person anywhere. Also I just noticed that it is in NFS as my main person. I put her in some time ago but wasn't entirely happy with it so generally just have Mary showing so not sure how it got changed around. I left her in for the above reasons (timeframe, marriage place) but if she is going to show at any stage as the main person I will probably remove her from NFS. On another note - in Scribes Alcove there is a Margaret marr around the same time as James and I was wondering if she were his sister. I can't find a chr/bap for her anywhere.
I do have a tree on line but it is far from up to date for the Goldings (only to 1745) and fortunately I have been able to spend quite a bit of time recently and have found quite a few more generations which have now been added. Just checking a few things and will put it on line after that and will let you know and if you still have time to help that would be great. My tree is in Rootsweb and that means it is on Ancestry as well.
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The 1739 baptism for Arthur came from the Forest of Dean site. He was probably the same Arthur Pitcher who witnessed the wills of William, John & Deborah Worgan in 1816 (see their biographies on my website for the details). I don't know if he's the Arthur who married Jane Higgs in Hawkesbury in 1762 or not.
The Pitchers and Worgans were closely linked. I went to the National Archives last summer and looked up a document where James Henry Worgan was suing his cousin, John Pitcher, for not having had his correct portion of the uncles' wills. The document was huge, 4 pages about 3-4 feet square. It didn't show the verdict so I don't know if John Pitcher had played fair or not.
Re the parents of James, the FOD site shows a baptism for a possible sister in 1693/4 - parents: Arthur & Ann.
Record_ID: 322445
Entry_Number:
Year: 1694
Month: Jan
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: PITCHER
Child_Forenames: Ann
Fathers_Forenames: Arthur
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Scatterford
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Compiled from Latin PRs and BTs Old style date 1693/94
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 82
Parish_Chapel: Newland
She died in 1704.
There's a bit of an anomaly in that there's a burial in 1690 for Ann, the wife of Arthur. Maybe Arthur married another Ann but I haven't found a marriage.
Record_ID: 224170
Entry_Number:
Year: 1690
Month: Dec
Day: 5
Surname: PITCHER
Forenames: Ann
Residence: Clowerwall
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: wife of Arthur
Notes: Compiled from Latin PRs and BTs
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/2
Page_No: 73
Parish_Chapel: Newland
I can't see the 1691 James Pitcher baptism on either the new or pilot FS site but it's still on the old site but unsourced. I don't think that this alone wouldn't be proof enough that Arthur & Ann were our James' parents although I think it's likely.
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Hi Sandra,
I've looked through the marriages from 1641 to 1675 (there's a gap when the English Civil War was on) and can't find any Goldings. The closest I came was a Thomas Gosling of Gloucs and Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas Byck....? in 1662.
The IGI doesn't have any Goldings in Arlingham this far back either although the years are covered which tells me that the Goldings probably came from elsewhere. What is the oldest marriage in your tree in Arlingham? I'll look the image up and see if the entry indicates whether they came from another parish.
There's a baptism of Richard the son of Thomas & Mary Golding on 4 March 1675 but couldn't see anything for the few years previous. Again, IGI doesn't indicate any earlier baptisms.
There's a burial on 23 December 1668 (342 years ago today!) of 'Joice? y wife of Thomas Golding'. I think it's Joice, the page also has other people on it by the name of Joan and Jane and the writing doesn't quite look like this. I couldn't spot any other burials looking back to 1657.
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Hi there,
I have Taysum/Taysom/e's in my family tree, the link being my G G G Grandfather, William Symonds/Simmonds/Simons who married a Sarah Taysum who was born in Arlingham in 1807.
I thought I would ask some advice as you all seem to know the Taysum's rather well!
I have been able to confirm that Sarah definitely married William through the birth certificate of Aaron (my G G Grandfather). The glos BMD index said her maiden name was definitely Taysum, and I ordered a copy of the cert to check over the details, and am sure that Sarah married my G G G Grandfather William.
I have searched all available records and have so far come up with a blank as to when and where Sarah and William may have married. I am desperately trying to find information about William, as I am hitting a brick wall with searching the Irish records. I thought that maybe a record of their marriage may give me a little more information, but have no more ideas on where to look!
Any help or suggestions gratefully received
Rachael
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Hi Rachael
I know it has been a while (a whole year!) - but did anyone answer your query re Sarah Taysum. Not that I can be much help. I did search on William Simmonds (spelt every way possible) and came up with lots and lots of Sarahs but sadly no Sarah Taysum. I hope you have managed to find her in the meantime or someone else has been able to help. If you haven't found their marriage yet maybe some more information such as children and their birth dates, locations etc.
lyraea
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I can recommend both the books on Arlingham mentioned they are excellent.
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Hi Sandra,
Just seen your message and it's reminded me to let you know that last year I managed to go further back on the Pitcher side. You may want to take another look at my site - the top of the tree now is Arthur & Ann Pitchard - http://www.hibbitt.org.uk/familytree/fam88209.html who were parents of Arthur Pitcher/Pitchard who married Ann Ansley and these were the parents of our James.
James' brother, Arthur (1696-1770), married Jane Marshall so this is where the Arthur & Jane come in.
I still cannot absolutely corroborate that James' wife, Mary's, maiden name was Driver. However, after James died, she remarried Miles Gwinn/Gwynn and they had a son, Stephen, who died as an infant.
Cheers, Annie
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Millipede - thanks for the recommendation re the books. I will definitely have a look at them.
Hi Annie. I am still positive that Arthur Pitcher b 1739 (son of James & Mary) marr Jane Higgs on 4 May 1762 and they had 7 children. I can't find any other Arthur and Jane who marr at that time. I don't have any siblings for James so Arthur is new to me although I do have his father as Arthur but no wife. So your information is great - thank you.
Agreed re Mary Driver however I am sure that she is the right person because no one else fits - yet. So still working on that one. I wonder how old Mary was when she had Stephen as James was 56 when he died so she would probably have been around the same age.
I shall sit down tonight when I get home from work and check it all out. The great or annoying things is that sometimes tyhere are multiple options and working out which one is correct is not easy.
Thanks again
Sandra
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Sandra, I just typed out a long reply and went to preview it and it disappeared. The gist of it is that I ascertained a lot of the new info from obtaining wills as well as receiving assistance from the helpful people at the Forest of Dean site - http://www.forest-of-dean.net - they sent me through some images of the Newland parish registers. Sadly, there are some missing entries because the rats got to them.
Yes, there were two Arthurs & Janes - our James' brother and James and Mary's son. The son married Jane Higgs at Hawkesbury in 1762. I must get around to expanding these lines on my tree at some stage.
There is a document at the Gloucestershire Archives (http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx) as follows:
1747 pritchard arthur C P170 OV 3/4/23 Overseers
I have a feeling this is James & Mary's son. After James died and before Mary married Mills Gwinn, she may have needed to rely upon poor relief for her son, Arthur. I don't know what became of her other children, apart from our Benjamin and the two Williams who died as infants.
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hi, i hope someones still active on this thread.
i have gouldings from arlingham.
my 6th great grandad is william goulding/golding who married dinah goulding in 1790.
i think william bap 1773 is the son of thomas and susannah but have no idea who dinahs parents are.
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There was a Dinah, daughter of Thomas Golding baptized in Arlingham on 26 February 1766. And there was another Dinah baptized 3 March 1751, daughter of Benjamin Golding but I would put the 1766 one as the most likely candidate but worth trying to account for the other one before settling on the later one. No mothers are mentioned.
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Hi Annie - it's been a while. Hope all is well with you.
Hi Rachael - although your people below are not my direct line they are in my line if off to the side a bit. Goulding is my maiden name. I have William Golding b 7 Sep 1773 to Thomas Golding and Susannah Davis/Davies. William has lots of siblings and I have all the dates etc. The only thing don't have is William's wife. I would like to continue this via email but I can't for the life of me remember how to do a personal post so I can give you my email address.
Annie can you tell me how to do that. Sorry but I have only done it once before and it was some years ago.
Thanks
Sandra
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I would like to continue this via email but I can't for the life of me remember how to do a personal post so I can give you my email address.
Annie can you tell me how to do that. Sorry but I have only done it once before and it was some years ago.
Hi Sandra. Nice to talk again. You just need to click on the person's username next to their post and then choose 'Send PM' which means Personal Message. Or, alternatively, use the icons below the person's profile picture. Rachael has a PM icon and an Email icon.
Sandra, is there some doubt about Dinah Goulding not being William's wife or could there be other possibilities? FindMyPast is showing this marriage...
First name(s) William
Last name Goulding
Marriage year 1790
Marriage date 02 Dec 1790
Marriage place Arlingham,Gloucester,England
Spouse's first name(s) Dinah
Spouse's last name Goulding
Place Arlingham
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
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hi both sandra and annie.
thanks for replying.
that marriage piece from findmypast was what i was going off too.
also the birth of their daughter Marinda/Miranda names the parents as William and Dinah.
i did research a list of siblings for william, all the children of thomas and susannah, from familysearch .org
racheal
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hello to everyone .I am so pleased to find such a site to help in my search for the GOULDING family from arlingham. my grandfather Albert Henry Goulding is the start of my quest .he was born 1913 and his mothers maiden name was DARTON .I have done well going back to my ggrandfather x4 but would very much love to keep going ,so any help would be great. my grandfather left arlingham and went to live in the eastend of London in the 30s .we still have a big branch of the goulding family still living in the London /Essex /Hertfordshire area. when I was little my grandfather took me to visit his family in gloustershire right on the banks of the severn .
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Albert Henry GOULDING's tree is on Public Members Tree on Ancestry - which is very useful with lots of info including
Liverpool England Crew Lists
BLACK ROCK
3 January 1910
Albert H GOULDING - age 28, born Blakeney, Stoker, etc etc.
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If you don't already belong (free to join just register) -
http://www.forest-of-dean.net
I think this is Albert Henry GOULDING's correct baptism - and it tallies with the date given on the 1937 Census
Baptism at Newnham and Blakeney Tabernacle
12 October 1887
Albert Henry GOULDING, father: Fred Geo(rge) and Emily
Memoranda: November 28 1886 -
Notes: for Place of Residence: read Place of Birth
1891 Census - Milkam Head - Awre, Glos
GOULDING
George - 36 - Fisherman, born Arlingham
Emily - 32 - born Somerset, Berrow
Louisa - 12 - born Arlingham
Alice - 10 - ditto
Frederick - 8 - ditto
George 10 - born Bridgewater, Somerset
Henry - 4 - born Glos Awre
Oliver - 2 - ditto
Florence - 1 - ditto
James GOULDING, 45 brother, General Labourer, born Arlingham
Holds many records - and a forum to ask questions etc.
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Many many thanks for your reply.yes that Albert is the father of my grandfather (that makes him my great grandfather. ) thank you
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The tree gives one marriage - but not sure whether this could be the one -
Albert Henry GOULDING married Eliza Maria DARTON - Plymouth District June Qtr 1907
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Thank you .I received my grandfather's birth as a Christmas gift and have only just found out his mother's maiden Darton. So that is spot on thank you again .as I am a Goulding myself I am very excited to find out more more about the family from the west country.
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This is the 1911 Census, for 26 Elliott Road, Plymouth (so the marriage in previous reply seems correct)
GOULDING
Eliza - 27 - Married 4 years, 2 children born above, 2 living - born Plymouth, Devon
Emily A - 2 - daughter - born ditto
Henrietta - under 1 month - born Plymouth
Lying May DARTON (as transcribed on Ancestry) - Visitor age 18 - born Plymouth, Devon
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Link on the Family tree on Ancestry - also has UK Royal Navy Register (seems to have served during Vivid I, Benbow, Gunner (Elizabeth) etc
5' 6 inches tall
37 in Chest
Light Hair
Blue Eyes
Fresh Complextion
Tattood : H GOULDING, Right Arm
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That is spot on .Thank you .my grandfather was born in Plymouth. All of his family served in the royal navy and merchant navy .one of the served on a ship called the nlobe.the No one was then sold to Canada and I believe the Goulding who severd on the nlobestayed in Canada.thank you again for the reply .I am a member of the ancestry site. But not sure how beat to find an exciting tree
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Assume you are trying to find family trees on Ancestry.
One way is to ....
On the page Search:
Put in say, Henry GOLDING and marriage to Eliza Maria DARTON - and then the first item is usually (Matching Person - from Family Tree) etc.
There is an Alfred Henry GOULDING - family on Ancestry (with a photograph of him)
etc etc
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Thank you so much for your help .Very kind of you