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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: greenman on Monday 13 December 10 19:05 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help me with the baptism and/or birth of BERTHA WHITTENBURY, daughter of JEREMIAH WHITTENBURY and ELIZABETH (nee Wright.)
Jeremiah and Elizabeth were married in Bakewell parish church, on the 1st of February, 1802. I believe that Bertha was born in about 1806 (according to Ancestry - the IGI puts her at 1810), and was Jeremiah's third daughter (he had had a previous marriage and was a widower.)
BERTHA married HARTLEY PACKER GISBORNE in the church of St John Deansgate, Manchester in 1832. (The Gisborne family built Yoxall Lodge in Staffordshire, and Hartley's uncle, the Rev.Thomas Gisborne, was an active anti-slavery campaigner.)
Their eldest son, JOHN SACHEVERELL GISBORNE was my great-great-grandfather. (Jeremiah Whittenbury was, I believe, born of non-conformist stock in London. He became a cotton merchant and lived in Manchester. His mother is buried in Bunhill Fields.)
Many thanks!
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Hi
There are a couple of Family Trees on Ancestry for Bertha that I found which might be of interest and give you some leads. These seem to suggest that she as not baptised in Bakewell though.
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Ahh - I'd be delighted to know more.
I'd come to the conclusion that Bertha wasn't baptised in Bakewell, but it would be very interesting to know your thoughts.
many thanks for getting in touch.
Cheers -
Francis
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Hi Francis
The trees on Ancestry are not mine just some I found. They suggest that Bertha was born in abt 1806 in Manchester Lanc's and died abt May 1876. And that she married Hartley Gisborne abt 1831 and had 7 children. If you search the Ancestry Family Trees you can see this for yourself though I would only use it as a guide.
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Hello -
Many thanks for this, I think I found the same info - but will certainly check it up again.
It's useful to know how many children she had, as I'd lost count.
She married Hartley in 1832 (there are 2 dates quoted. The correct one is February, 1832).
It's very kind of you to get in touch - and it's much appreciated.
All the best, and have a Happy Christmas and New Year!
Francis
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Are you still looking for family history? I was also descended from Hartley Packer Gisborne, though through his daughter, Julia, brother of your great, great grandfather. My grandfather, a son of Julia, had some scrap books and photo books put together by his sister, but I am afraid it did not include much information except about a pearl ring, which she inherited from Bertha. Which one of Hartley and Bertha's children were you descended from?
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Hello, how very nice to hear from you. I am descended from John Sacheverell Gisborne (Hartley's eldest, I think) and Estelle Beaumont. If you are on Ancestry, let me know your ID and I will send you an invitation to have a look at my tree - I have recently added a rather lovely Gainsborough portrait of John Gisborne (1717-1779) which you might enjoy. I've only just managed to find it. The original is in America - like the painting of Anne (Bateman) his wife.
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Many thanks for getting in touch. At some stage it would be lovely to see a picture of the ring. It's details like that that bring everything to life.
Yours,
Francis
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According to successive Censuses BERTHA GISBORNE wife of Hartley..was born in Manchester.....and since her baptism is difficult to find..it might be that your information on Jeremiah may be correct.....Non-conformist baptisms are not easy to find...........
I'll let you know.
Derek.
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Some of my own family research led me to Bakewell in Derbyshire. My ancestors were married there on 4 May 1812 by licence and their eldest son was born back in Stockport, Cheshire on 6 May 1812. A just in time marriage that one.
The point being that it was apparent from this marriage and other information that the church at Bakewell was known at the time for 'quickie' and not too many questions asked marriages.
Perhaps your ancestors fell into this category too.
Darryl
Sydney Australia
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Hello Darryl.........an interesting point you make, but i would take some exception with it....St Mary's Bakewell was and is a massive Parish Church, and to label it with a sort of quickie convenience last chance saloon type of policy is totally erroneous........though of course, such marriages would have taken place, there, and in almost any Parish.............I suggest you try Cathedral Church Manchester..where my own GGGrandfather was "conveniently wed in 1826.............
Derek.
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G'day Derek
On my first visit to Matlock in 2010 I was lucky enough to find the marriage of my Stockport ancestors in the Bakewell PR. I think I was also struck by the number of out-of-towners using the church and had a conversation with one of the staff there at the time. It was she who mentioned that Bakewell was known for at the time, and perhaps not the correct term, quickie marriages.
I have no other information upon which to judge Bakewell, other than the magnificent trout that hover around the weir and spillway
Regards
Darryl
Sydney, Australia