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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: Tracker2 on Thursday 09 December 10 19:56 GMT (UK)
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My ggrandmother and her family were Cassidys and came to Manchester abt 1859-1862.
From UK census data one of them is recorded as born in Cavan Co. , so I assume they all came from there. The others are just listed as place of birth –Ireland.
They were James Cassidy (b abt.1820), his wife Rose Ann (b abt. 1817) and children Margaret Ann (b abt 1861), Edward (abt 1863), John (abt 1859) and William (abt 1857). There may have been a Joseph too.
Any clues about their roots and maiden name of Rose Ann would be appreciated. With such a common surname I don’t know where to start.
Tracker2
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Did they have any children in Lancashire?
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The Cassidy births all appear to be before the start of full Civil registration in 1864 which makes your search difficult unless you know the parish or townland the family lived, and you also need to know their religion.
If James and Rose Ann were non-Catholic and their marriage was in Ireland sometime from 1845 then they could be included in civil records.
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Hi CaroleW.
I think James and Rose Ann had a son John born in Manchester in 1859. My mother recalls Margaret having a brother John. There are two possibilities in the 1861 census, both in Manchester St George. It did occur to me that the whole family may not have left Ireland at the same time.
Tracker2
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Thanks for the useful advice Shane.
I shall be visiting my mother at the weekend. She is in her 90's and hopefully can enlighten me with a few more bits of data to help this quest. She would have spent some time with Margaret.
Tracker2
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If any of the children were born in England it's worth trying to locate birth certs for them, as this would give you a maiden surname for Rose Ann. This could help verify, or rule out, any earlier parish records you may locate for the family in Ireland.
Shane
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Hi CaroleW.
I think James and Rose Ann had a son John born in Manchester in 1859. My mother recalls Margaret having a brother John. There are two possibilities in the 1861 census, both in Manchester St George. I did occur to me that the whole family may not have left Ireland at the same time.
Tracker2
Hello Tracker2,
Is this your family in
1871 RG10; Piece: 4054; Folio: 10; Page: 14
12 Vauxhall Street Manchester
James Cassidy head 52 yrs labourer
Rose Ann Cassidy wife 44 yrs
William Cassidy son 18 ys oil and grease maker
John Cassidy son 17 ys cooper
Alicia Cassidy daur 15 yssilk weaver
James Cassidy son 13 yrs maker up assistant
Joseph Cassidy son 10 yrs
Margaret Cassidy daur 9 yrs
Edward Cassidy son 7 yrs
Margaret McGinniss visitor single 35 ys
all born Ireland which looks then as though they arrived after 1863 ish (Edward's birth).
heywood
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Thanks Heywood.
That is the family for sure. I had single name extracts for some of them in the 1871 census but now you show the whole family it all slots into place. A bonus is that I see another member, Alicia.
My grandmother was a daughter of Margaret and she was also called Alicia. I must have missed this detail on the first pass a few years ago.
So the original problem of the Irish roots still remains. I will press a few buttons with my mother now all this data is available.
Tracker2
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Hello again,
Family Search pilot site http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html# has:
Edward Cassidy b February 29 1864 Kilnaleck, Cavan
parents James Cassidy and Rosanna McCuley
Kilnaleck is Crosserlough Parish, Cavan and Griffiths valuation is here:
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
I would imagine that Rosanna's name is McCauley/McCauly- there are some in the parish but not Kilnaleck in Griffiths.
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Family Search also has a marriage :
4 September 1851 Ballymachugh Cavan
James Cassidy- father Edward Cassidy
Rosanne McCully-father William McCully
Griffiths for Ballymachugh
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/cavan/ballymachugh.htm
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Well done Heywood !
That's good news.
Tracker2
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Well, it's something to check at least. ;)
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Hello Tracker 2
My grandmother (b.1905 Glasgow) was a daughter of Annie Cassidy, whose family came from Donegal. She recalls an 'Uncle Eddie from Manchester' (ie Edward Cassidy) a relative of her mother (possible her mother's uncle) visiting Glasgow from Manchester a few times. Plus Annie Cassidy herself (my grand mother's mother) had two brothers, John and James who left Glasgow to live in Salford and Manchester around the 1890s. Don't know if we have a link?
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Hi Gavvyn.
Thanks for your information. I had a look at my collection of data from a few years ago but found nothing that links my findings with your Cassidys. As you have probably found, many Cassidys left Ireland and went to the Manchester area in the second half of the 19th century and they had common names.
My Cassidy ancestors were probably from Kilnaleck, Cavan.
Rosanna (or Rose Ann) and James came over about 1864 with their children, William, Joseph, John, James, Edward, Alicia and Maragaret Ann. Edward was only a baby at the time.
In the 1871 Census the family lived in 12 Vauxhall St. Manchester. In the 1881 Census they lived at 46 Mill St, Bradford (central Manchester) and Edward age 17 is recorded as a Clerk in Oil Works.
I believe he married Mary E Fawcett in 1886 and in 1891 lived in the Ashton/Audenshaw/Droylesdon area of Manchester.
My own tree passes down the Margaret Ann line, so I don't have any other details of Edward.
Good luck in your searches.
Tracker2
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Hello Gavvyn,
I am doing research on behalf of a grandson of Margaret Ann Cooke, nee Cassidy. His father, William Cooke, immigrated to Canada in the early 1900's. Have a fair amount of family information from the various branches - Cooke, Cassidy, Sanderson and Gregory.
FamilySearch has a marriage record for Margaret's parents, James Cassidy and Rose Ann McCulloch/McCullough/McCully on 4 September 1851 in Ballymachugh, Cavan, Ireland.
Just new to RootsChat…looks like an excellent site to exchange information and obtain research guidance.
Best regards,
Alice
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Hi Alice.
Welcome to the forum.
A long time has passed since I started this thread. I now have quite a lot of information on the Cooke family both in Canada and the UK. I was quite surprised to hear you are researching for a grandchild of Margaret as there cannot be many left in that generation. My mother is 94 and is also a grandchild of Margaret and Fred. Let me know if you need any help down any particular route and I will see what I can provide.
Tracker2
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Hello Tracker 2,
Thank you for your reply. I am new to forums; learning as I go.
There are more Cookes in Canada…all descendants of William Cooke, 1896-1983. William wed Mary Louise Sanderson, 1911-1999, in 1933…hence the younger cousins of your grandmother.
I do not have access to my notes right now…which Cooke sibling was your great grandparent?
Have found burial records in Philips Park Cemetery, Manchester, UK for Margaret Ann Cooke and her parents, James and Rose Ann Cassidy and some siblings; her husband Fred was buried in Saskatchewan, Canada.
Also found a marriage record for James Cassidy and Rose Ann McCully, wed 4 September 1851, Ballymachugh, Cavan, Ireland on FamilySearch.
With aloha,
Alice
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Hi Alice.
Fred and Margaret Ann were my great grandparents. The children of Fred and Margaret were William, Fred, Herbert, Brenda, James and Alicia. Alicia (1894-1994) was my grandmother.
I am still puzzled who you are researching for. Could this be Ronald Frederick Cooke?
As far as the Irish connection is concerned I agree with your first post about James Cassidy and Rose Ann but I doubt we would be able to find earlier records in Cavan. My mother vaguely recalls the maiden name of her great grandmother. She thinks it was pronounced like “Maccuely” as in “queue”. Records from that era could have shown any spelling that sounded similar (e.g. McCuley)
I have explored the Cooke history back to 1753 with some uncertainty, but it looks like their roots were south of Manchester, in the Whaley Bridge, Taxal, Fernilee area and the name Ellis or Elias Cook seems to recur through several generations before Fred's father, James.
The Canadian descendents of Fred and Margaret are very well recorded by “Nos Racines”. If you have not visited their web site you will find it has a section for Spiritwood and Norbury. Let me know if you need more details. I can give you the hypertext links in a personal mail via RootsChat and, in any case, I guess we need to migrate from these Cavan pages as we are moving off topic a little.
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Tracker2
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Thank you for reminding me of our roots.ca…just reread the Cooke entries and refreshed my memory. About 4 years ago there was a Cooke-Sanderson family reunion in Kelowna, BC…for that occasion I had prepared a family history binder with information gleaned from Ancestry, FamilySearch and the local history book, A Tapestry of Time.
The Irish connection was being explored this weekend as some Irish records were free on Ancestry…and ultimately, that lead me here. It is the eldest son, William James, who is related by marriage, for whom I was doing the research.
With aloha,
Alice
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Thanks Alice C.
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Tracker2