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Hi, I have been struggling for some time with this one,
In family records of "Samuel Phillips" Molong NSW in the late half of 1800's,
he owned the property called (then) "Wallenbillen" it is also recorded that he had the first brick house built in Molong at this property, but it also says "on the Bogan river" the Bogan river is some 100kms away from Molong, so Molong must have covered a very large region at the time, it was 16,000 acres with a 7 mile front on the river and 10 mile back, and was a cattle and sheep fattening station, this property I would think is/was near Peak Hill, being on the Newell Hwy, the property was up for sale in 1863/4, sale was being done at a Sydney venue, eventually being sold off in 1888, my problem is that the local councils of the area cannot identify the property of have the name on historical records.
Does anyone know of it and where it was situated???
flogged.
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Found this, here http://contribute.abc.net.au/_The-Wellington-Post-1900/blog/166075/32422.html
The Wellington Post - 1900
From Barbara Preston.
The Wellington Times
Mr Dulhunty Report, 21st September 1900
The District Inspector Mr R G Dulhunty has recently returned from a trip round Narromine, Dandaloo, and Tomingley districts. According to his report everything in the line of stock is promising and could not look better.
But as regards crops, thing are by no means so bright. From a farmer’s point of view, unless rain comes quickly there will be a rather poor look out for lots of crops.
At Narromine and towards the Bogan, these are already beginning to turn yellow. At Craigie Lea the owner pointed out one paddock and declared that if rain did not come very soon indeed they would not get a stem from it.
Some of the early crops looked fairly green, but the late crops seem to be making no headway. Shearing was in full swing along the Bogan, at Derribong, Waterloo, Strathallen, Bulgandramine and Wallen Billen. Shearing sheds seem to be short handed this year.
Mr W. I. Perry Comptom is shearing 60,000 and has just erected a splendid shed with up-to-date machines.
On the Bogan and through Tomingley and the Gundongs rabbits are swarming but the selectors generally seem to be competing with the pest to the best of their ability.
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Thankyou, this suggesting it was still named so in 1900,
but council dept around this area such as, Molong, Bogan shire, Narromine,
can't find the property in records or where it was on the river, why? I don't know, Samuel Phillips was as it seems, a well known business person, the family itself was in just about every little village/hamlet in the Molong/Wellington/Dubbo areas, but still nothing.
flogged.
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Samuel Phillips put the property up for auction in 1864 after owning it for 20 years. You may have this?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/30937556?searchTerm=wallen billen&searchLimits=
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Samuel Phillips put the property up for auction in 1864 after owning it for 20 years. You may have this?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/30937556?searchTerm=wallen billen&searchLimits=
Yes, have this, as it says in the sale notice, the house was still under construction at that time, I would say being built solid those day by the Bloomfield bros, it would still be standing today, but where?
might have to go walkabout along the river. ;D
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Hi there,
Have you tried the Parish Maps online site .... It can be a pain to zoom in and out but perhaps there's mention of the property or of the landholders .... I think you should try "Wellington" for the Parish, but I stand corrected as I am relying on my memory of searching these maps some time ago.
This is the link that's listed here at RChat on the NSW Resources Board ;)
Parish Maps
http://parishmaps.lands.nsw.gov.au/pmap.html
Fingers Crossed (that online site could be easier, but its not actually designed for family history searchings and its better than going to the NSW Lands Head Office !)
Cheers, JM
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Just as an addition to JM's advice about the Parish Maps...this page gives an intro to the NSW Dept of Lands historical maps and a link to the Geographical Names Board where you can search for localities and get the relevant parish in order to look up the Parish Maps:
http://www.lpma.nsw.gov.au/survey_and_maps/maps_and_imagery/parish_maps
Cheers
Prue
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Thank you, thank you, and thank you,
gee they be tricky sites,
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Hi Flogged, there is a mention of Wallenbillen in the Sydney Morning Herald in 1940.
PHILLIPS. September 12. 1940, suddenly at a private hospital In Manly, John Allan, beloved son of Bessie Phillips, of 346 Sydney Road, Balgowlah, and the late Norman George Phillips, of Johannesburg, South Africa, and grandson of the late Samuel Phillips, of Wallenbillen N.S.W, aged 30 years. At rest.
Anne
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Thank you Anne,
the property was finally sold in about 1888, who too we do not know, whether it still holds that name we do not know, but yes, the family would have been recognized with the property name between at least 1840 and when it was sold,, hence the mention of Samuel Phillips and "Wallenbillen"
as it was his father Samuel (1st) who arrived out here as convict, Samuel (2nd) born 1842, so it would appear they were well known throughout the region, Samuel (1st) was lic to 3 Inns in Molong, one names "The Travellers Rest" still standing and resided in today, the Phillips family grew up in the areas between Molong and Dubbo with many branches including that of Jesse Litchfield well known for her work with local mags in Melb and setting up of missions for aboriginal in NT, there is the "Litchfield National Park" up there,
but having trouble with finding the location of this property, someone is bound to known.
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Thank you, thank you, and thank you,
gee they be tricky sites,
I hestitated and hesitated before I posted that link, cause they certainly be tricky and need patience and more patience and careful clicking etc but my fingers are crossed
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
at this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,440048.0.html there's a hint about how to overcome some of the tricky bits at the Lands website
Around reply #7, 10 - #12
Cheers, JM
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Hi,
The 1895 NSW Country Directory has a number of selectors at Wallen Billen and Wallan Billen which is the Dandaloo District of NSW.
Gerry
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Hi,
The 1895 NSW Country Directory has a number of selectors at Wallen Billen and Wallan Billen which is the Dandaloo District of NSW.
Gerry
Gerry, Dandaloo is out the back of Narromine ! ... that's even further west :-X
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1870 NSW ER
There's a Samuel Phillips with a leasehold at Wolombolong part of the FORBES police district at that time and the electorate was THE BOGAN ::)
Flogged, do you think "Wolombolong" could be mistaken for "Molong" in those family records :)
Cheers,
JM
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BELLS AND WHISTLES
1878 NSW ER, Electorate THE BOGAN
Line 5712
Phillips, Samuel at Wallanbillan, leaseholder, Bogan River, Forbes Police District
Now to figure out the Parish to get Flogged to the right map .... County: ASHBURNHAM is Forbes and district NOW, and you may need the sheets with all the lot numbers etc and sizes as that's important to the clues on lists of land grants etc. Forbes was explored by John Oxley way back in late 1810's and early 1820's. Oxley died 1828 ... land grants in Forbes district date from around that era, so Wallanbillan could go way back and be a tad difficult to find...
Forbes Family History Group http://home.westserv.net.au/~ffhg/
Cheers, JM
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http://www.maplandia.com/australia/new-south-wales/parkes/wallanbillan/
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Hi,
The 1895 NSW Country Directory has a number of selectors at Wallen Billen and Wallan Billen which is the Dandaloo District of NSW.
Gerry
Thanks Gerry, but today Dandaloo is but a one horse town, a drive through really.
No offence to those of the area if you are viewing this.
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Circa 1901 snip
:)
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1884 Stock Returns (these were required to be lodged with the Police Magistrates etc ie CPS returns and there should be similar info somewheres in the NSW Legislative Council's records)
A chap named P Phillips at Dandaloo had 42,000 acres with 60 horses, 600 cattle, 5,550 sheep and NO pigs.
I noticed at least one larger property in different hands but also at Dandaloo on those returns... over 100,000 acres
Cheers, JM
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It may be possible that the chap "P Phillips" was related as there were 5 sons to parents of Samuel Phillips b1797, however we do not have any of those details.
Will visit the Molong historical Museum this coming Monday (when it is open)
the name Wolombolong sounds interesting, Wallenbillen may well be the English version, however, with the attempt at sale of the property in 1863/64 it is recorded as "Wallenbillen" as seen in "Trove" paper clips.
I have asked the Bogan shire council, Molong council office, Narromine and Parkes, all without a win, Peak Hill near said location comes under Parkes,
all good fun trying to find stuff in history,,,thanks to all.
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1884 Stock Returns to the Police
BELLS AND WHISTLES
MOLONG District
Post Town or Holding PARKES
Name of Holding Wallan Dillen
Occupier Susannah Phillips
Acreage 1740 Horses = 5; Cattle = 550; Sheep = 5,500; Pigs = none
Occupier Saml Phillips
Acreage 640 Horses = 60; Cattle = 50; Pigs = 3
I think there's several HOLDINGS in the central west that various members of the Phillips family held and which they called Wallan Dillen or variations, but here's Samuel on 1 square mile at Wallan Dillen in 1884 :) and the nearest Post Town was Parkes :)
NSW Government Gazette for the early years is online at the following link (yes that's the state library of Victoria, :) 8) ) (from RChat Resources thread of course)
Government Gazettes
http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
Cheers, JM
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MORE
1884 Stock Returns
Molong etc
Holding : Wallanbillan
Post Town : Parkes
Occupier : Saml Phillips
Acreage : 3,000; 60 horses, 600 cattle, no sheep, no pigs
I'm eye sore, will try again tomorrow ;D the records I have are NOT keyword searchable :(
Cheers, JM
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Susannah Phillips (nee Whitley) being Samuel's wife, the Whitley family also having a bit of history in the area, yes, I think she had an iron fist when it came to protecting business.
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Flogged,
I have presumed you had gone through the NSW State Records with fine tooth comb, was there any clues on the land on the reels at Kingswood?
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx
2/7950 1172
PHILLIPS Samuel covering the period 1844 to 1852
Also look for him on there on the 1841 Census (there's so little of that census extant, but HE's there !)
Also another spelling for Wallenbillen (on the State Archives keyword searching "phillips" :D ):
PHILLIPS Sam
Residence: Bathurst
(Land in the district of) Wellington
Situated at Willenblein :D
Date of Licence 04/02/1846 (I think this is critical date for the physical searching of title deeds)
Licence No. 1139
Fingers crossed at this is IT :)
Cheers, JM
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This paper article is of the time, printed 19 Nov 1885,
spelling is "Wallenbillen" so I would keep it the same, but as we all know through history there is difficulty in reading some handwrittings, the varients we have seen on this wouold simply be the way a report or record holder has written it.
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:)
That looks like the Maitland Mercury ;)
So you are heading to the Molong Museum this coming Monday ;D I do hope the Molong Creek has not broken its banks again ... twas threatening to do that earlier this year ... around mid August from memory...
Cheers, JM
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There has also been pieces in Melb papers, but most are SMH.
The Creek is good, not like couple years ago with 6 inch over top the bridge.
however, my access road was badly washed away yesterday.
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Flogged,
"Wallenbillan"! My great grandfather Matthews was married on "Wallenbillan". That property certainly is on the west side of the Bogan River, and the mail back in the day would have come delivered via Peak Hill.
I cant help with the Phillips family, sorry. Just confirming that the property certainly still exists, and I believe is held by the Cannon family these days.
Regards
AK