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Hello,
Does anyone visit Stretford Cemetery, regularly?
Would they be willing to look at a headstone for me? I have the location from the CWGC site.
Thanks for any help/advice.
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I go to Stretford Cemetery quite often when my daughter takes me [not mobile myself] but I have no idea when we will be going again. If your request is not too urgent and I have details Grave No. etc. I may be able to help. Could even be this Sunday, I never know.
Cheers Bob T.
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Hello there,
That would be great. Not urgent, but then it is family history!
The grave reference is Sec P.L Jt Grave 362
Since yesterday I've discovered another name in the same grave. Herbert Arnold BUCK. He joined his brother, James. Both served with the RAF and were killed in action.
Many thanks.
Clive
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Hi Clive
Noted details for future ref cannot say when but will do my best.
Cheers Bob T.
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http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2700651
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2700652
J.D.
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Hello J D
Thanks for the thought - I already have the CWGC info.
Now, if you have Herbert's squadron details! :)
Regards
Clive
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Hi Clive
No go today but going before Christmas.
but as a member of MLFHS[Manchester Family History Society I have found some info Re James and am trying to contact one of our members in connection with Trafford War Deaths.
So I will be in touch and may need a PM for your location as if not in UK I may get more help
Cheers Bob T
"James attended the Stretford Grammar School and is
commemorated in their WW2 Memorial Book.
As a Pilot, he was on a patrol over France on the
7th June 1940 and landed at Rouen-Boos with a
burst tyre, but managed to return to RAF Tangmere
the following day.
Flying with 43 Squadron - a Hurricane P 3531 - at
17.15 hrs, off Selsey, West Sussex, he was shot
down in combat by Fw Lehmann in a Bf109s of III/JG
27. Although wounded, he managed to bail out of
his aircraft but drowned, his body was later found
on Worthing Beach."
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Hi Clive have sent a PM re info receiced.
Bob T.
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Hello Bob,
Message received. Information appreciated.
Thanks.
Clive
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hi Clive
Re help from Strangers.
I have had a lot of help from members on this site and I am happy to help somebody if I can.
More info on its way.
Bob T.
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Hello Bob,
Again thanks for info. Please thank George for putting it together.
I wonder if you have any thoughts on why there are a couple of different dates for the death of Flt Lt Herbert Buck?
George and the newspaper quote March 24th 1945; the CWGC site shows April 2nd 1945; the grave headstone shows April 27th 1945. Finally, the death registration shows Q2 1945 at Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire: ie from April 1945.???
Interestingly, Herbert was reinterred at Stretford Cemetery on May 2 1946. So, where had his body been until then?
Regards
Clive
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Hi Clive
Will try George later in the week as he is busy photographing memorials in Manchester.
He said paper was Messenger but I know it was local free paper who get things wrong.My write up in 1938 was wrong my son;s in 1960 was wrong.
We do not know where he was killed, and Chipping Norton suggests he was flown in from somewhere?
Is BMD actual date or registration date?
James marriage says "Barton on Irwell" but BMD says Barton which is a different Registration District [Which is our Reg Dist].This shows up if you use surname only.
Trying to find site which may be more help
Gravestone should be correct. I noticed it is in age order which suggests 1954.
Cheers Bob T.
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Hello Bob,
Yesterday I went to a local library and checked in "Vol 6 of Bomber Command Losses for 1945" - looking for Flt Lt Herbert Buck. Found zilch. (I don't even know which Command he served with during WW2)
Then I had a message from another site I use: "Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Forum". Info received that Herbert had been flying a Harvard from Farnborough to Ringway, carrying spare parts, when the plane crashed near Woodstock in Oxfordshire, on April 27th 1945. A WO2 on board was also killed as were three civilians. One civilian, aged 21 yrs, was buried at Chipping Norton. The WO2 had already survived an horrific crash earlier in the war and had been a POW - presumably being repatriated.
So, it looks as if the headstone is correct. The death cert would confirm it, wouldn't it? Interestingly, this would make the info on CWGC site as wrong. I'll think about notifying them. It'll mean getting the death cert.
More info for George!
bfn
Regards
Clive :)
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Bob,
A correction to my earlier post: the plane invoved was a Hudson
Cheers
Clive
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Hi Clive
http://www.ww2f.com/
I had a lot of help here re My Own RA Army/RAF Squadron 652[AOP] as little is written about it.Finshed up getting a book.
You have to register but keep the same name as it helps other friemds to ID you.
BBC Message board is also very good
BBC Homepage go to bottom click Family History Then click Message Board.Same things apply same name etc but a delay on replies at first until used it a few times. Hence the "New Bar" Thread.
Passed your info to George.
Cheers Bob t.
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Hi Clive,
James Allen Buck and Herbert Arnold Buck are my Great Uncles. Had a search on the internet and noticed you have taken an interest. Happy to share any info I have! Are you family also?
All the best,
Andy
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Hello Andy,
Good to hear from you!
My route to your great - uncles: James and Herbert Buck is a bit complicated. You and I aren't related, by the way.
My wife's brother, Patrick, is married to Carmel. Her uncle, Peter Broadbent is the nephew of Rene Broadbent, who married James Buck.
I was helping Peter with his Family Tree and found references to James in a couple of books on the Battle Of Britain. By chance I then found reference to Herbert and his death in a flying accident in April 1945, towards the end of WW2.
I believe their father was a minister in The Catholic Apostolic Church.
That's about as far as I've reached, so I'd be more than happy to share any information.
Cheers
Clive
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Hi Clive,
Great stuff, all very interesting! I'm the grandson of Wallace Buck (James' brother).
Just been on the phone to my Mum. She was interested to hear you mention Rene Broadbent. She said Rene had a daughter called Diane who she's never met (her cousin). Any info?
I'm getting a couple of pics of James sent over and will post them on here.
Cheers,
Andy
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Hi Andy,
Peter had told me that Rene and James' daughter is called Diana, and a couple of days ago he was going to speak with her. Hopefully, she and I would be able to swop info too. Still waiting.
Peter, by the way is the son of Gilbert who was Rene's brother.
bfn
Clive
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Hi Clive,
Thanks for that. Have a couple of pics, but haven't worked out how to post them on here yet. I'll keep on trying.
Cheers,
Andy
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Hello Andy,
Any news on the photos?
I might now be in touch with Diana - daughter of James Buck.
Regards
Clive
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Hi Clive
I can go to the cemetery this week as i live just round the corner if you can email you detail I can get photos and information what is on the grave for you
my email is *
regards
bev
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Hi, bit of a long shot. We are trying to find out if Diana is the girl who was trapped under a boat swing in Longford Park in 1950 and was helped by a boy scout. Can you help