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I started my search in 2001 when i finally convinced my husband a computer was a good thing lol
Since then i have tried every resource i can find on the net.
Until then i had to rely on family memories and for the most part that was great up to a point.
Am i the only one who has a family who are afraid to know where they come from or what their ancestors got up to?
On my mothers side i cant get past my great grandmother as my Mother doesnt know her grand parents surnames.
On my fathers side i cant get past my great great grandfather as they dont seem to be registered in the Scottish records and my grandfather is a little unwilling to help as we have skeletons in the closet.
Now this can be disheartening for some but 4 years later i am still on the prowl for info and i know someone out there has hit the same wall i have.
My husbands family are a little more easier to find and with my father in-laws encouragement i have been able to get back as far as 1766 on his great grandmothers side.
I love knowing what my family did all those years ago and it actually explains a few things this far down the line.I just wish they would stay in one place and make up their minds how they want to spell their names ;D
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Hi Carol,
Believe it or not having the same problems as you, have hit a brickwall with my mom's parents cannot find a thing, on the other side gee the skeletons are very thick and fast coming out of the closets, seems one set like having to get married or not bothering too till many years later. l am just about to tear my hair out with frustration ;D Added to this this spelling on the name changes quite often.
good luck
tarnee
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Hi
Post what you have you and you never know!
It can be hard, I had the same problem finding my grandfather, (he changed his name) but after about 5 years I discovered his whereabouts! Dont be disheartened, we all struggle and I finally tracked him down by his date of birth.
Post the names and dates you have and I will take a look and I am sure others will help too.
Nicky
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The first couple who are hard to find are:
William Hall and Mary Madden.
I ordered their sons marriage certificate and found them on there.
Mary is on the certificate as deceased on the 9th of April 1872 and her maiden name is shown.
Their son is William Hall married to Rachel Graham.
So we come to Rachels parents who are next on the list.
William Graham and Helen Boyd.William was deceased on his daughters wedding day.
The marriage of William and Rachel took place in High Church, Glasgow.
With this in mind i searched the censuses on the Scotlandspeople website.To no avail.
I have been told that the Hall family were in Ireland at one point which is where i have problems as there is a conflict of information about whereabouts they where.
I am told it was Donnegal or somewhere in county Armagh.
My next dead end is my great grandmother.
She was born Violet Lavinia Poskitt and married my Great Grandfather Cox.I managed to find her on the 1901 census but that is as far as i get.
My most challenging family member is :
Charles Walden.The reason for this is the surname change.I have posted on the worcester page about him.
Born 19/09/1847 in Alvechurch but at the 1851 census his family are not in Worcestershire ???
However he is possibly in Alvechurch in 1871 boarding with a John (49 b.Kings Norton) & Betsy (45 b.Alvechurch) ASHFORD & their family
He married Elizabeth Catherine Bennett in 1876 in Aston and from the on in he was in Alvechurch as a Baker until the 1901 census when he and his family are in Redditch.
There are many more but i think this post is long enough for now :o
As you can see i have many leads to follow so i dont get bored lol
And i dont think anything is going to put me off just yet.
Carol
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Hi
Here is Violet Lavinia Poskitt's birth details
registered in the district of Middlesbrough
Co Durham North Riding of Yorkshire
June quarter 1894
Vol 9d page 597
I will keep looking for more.
Nicky
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HERE IS VIOLETS FAMILY IN 1891, ALL CHILDREN BORN NORTH ORMSBY
76 TELFORD ST
CHARLES POSKITT, AGE 43, MOULDER BORN FEATHER GREEN YORKS
RACHEL, AGE 43 BORN HULL YORKS
MARK, AGE 16, LABOURER IRONWORKS
JOHN, AGE 13, LATHER BOY??
JAMES, AGE 11, SCHOLAR
SAMUEL, AGE 7 SCHOLAR
JESSIE E, AGE 2
FRED P, AGE 1 MONTH
RG12/4018
ED 22 FOLIO 122 PAGE 35
CIVIL PARISH OF ORMESBY
AND HERE THEY ARE IN 1881
12 SMEATON STREET
CHARLES POSKITT, AGE 32, PIPE MOULDER BORN FEATHERSTONE YORKSHIRE
RACHEL AGE 32 BORN HULL
CHARLES AGE 13, SCHOLAR BORN N ORMESBY
MARK, AGE 6, SCHOLAR BORN N ORMESBY
JOHN, AGE 3 BORN N ORMESBY
JAMES, AGE 1 BPRN N ORMESBY
RG11/4861
ED 13 FOLIO 38 PAGE 16
CIVIL PARISH OF ORMESBY
1871 CENSUS (NAME WRITTEN AS POSKETT)
7 HIGH STREET
CHARLES POSKETT, AGE 22, MOULDER BORN FEATHER GREEN YORKS
RACHEL, AGE 22 BORN HULL
GEORGE H, AGE 4 BORN NO ORMESBY
CHARLES, AGE 2 BORN NO ORMESBY
ESTHER, AGE 1 MONTH, BORN NO ORMESBY
RG10/4855
ED 9 FOLIO 113 PAGE 71
CIVIL PARISH OF ORMESBY
HOPE THIS HELPS YOU.
NICKY
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Thanks for that Nicky, there a few more family members there than i originally thought.
Carol
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Hi,
You were lucky Carol, my father burnt all family stuff before his death in 2000 to be nasty. All l have is mom's birth cert to get my grandparents names John Graham and Lillian Graham nee Fulford from Birkenhead Cheshire. They died John in 1960 age 73 and Lilian age 76 in 1968 l have their death certs which don't enlighten me at all. l have search for their marriage from 1907 to 1914 and unless l missed it cann't find them. l found 1 John Graham born in 1887 which is about the right year, Lilian should be abt 1892 but have come up with nothing. All this because of one mean old man.
tarnee
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My grandmother had a clear out when my grandfather died.Photos,certificates and even his war medals nearly got thrown away.
All i have is what my mother remembers.
I have searched the Tees Valley Index for my grandfather and am going to order his birth certificate to get his parents names to get me started.
I did try to find my great uncle John Adam as he was killed in Dunkirk aged in 1944,Mum says she visited his grave but i cant remember where she said it was.I tried the Commonwealth War Graves site but he isnt listed.
All i kow about my Adam side is they were originally from Arbroath,my grandfather had the family researched(one of the things that got cleared out)
At this rate looks like i will have to sit and wait for the 1920 census to make progress on that side ::)
Its odd really that one side of the family can be traced back hundreds of years yet others just seem so hard to find.
Carol
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Hi Carol,
My ex's great uncle l found on the commonwealth war graves site but also found him on the Bedfordshire Memorial site try finding yours under the shire he lived, each shire seems to have a memorial site to lost loved ones. Also parish's have memorial's.
tarnee
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Will give that a try thanks ;)
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Good Morning everyone,
I have just signed up to this site and am now looking forward to hopefully solving some of my reasearch problems.
Regarding unhelpful familiy members, my Father has a second cousin who knows our family history inside and out but wont divulge an obvious skeleton - very frustrating.
My Father knows absolutely nothing about his Grandparents. He knows that his Father was brought up by my Grandfather's Grandparents but his Father was alive and well until he was 36! When my Father was old enough to ask about his Grandparents, his Father refused to talk about it.
I have done some lengthy research on Genes Connected, Ancestry.co.uk and others and have tracked down both of my Fathers grandparents. However, my great grandmother disappears off the face of the earth when my Grandfather was born in 1904. I don't know if they got divorced, or if she died or he topped her (?!?) How do I try to find out?
My Father's second cousin obviously knows the full story but will not tell.
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Bozzer
Can you post details you know on this family member - anything you know including dates, addresses, etc and maybe someone can help
Claudia
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Hi Claudia,
If anyone can help, I would be forever in their debt - here goes...
My Great Grandmother was Annie Marie Neve, born 1874 Camberwell, London. BDM shows two entires but same reference number - one for Annie Marie Neve and another for Anne Maria Neve. 1901 census shows her family living at 261 New Cross Road Deptford. It took ages to find them as they have, for some unknown reason been entered as Reeves and not Neve! The family shows as Annie with sisters Nellie (or Ellie although I tracked her real name down as Eliza), Amy and Brothers William and Stanley. Here parents were William and Mary (nee Merrell). The family do however show correctly at the same address in 1891.
My Great Grandfather was Cornelius Terry living at 15 Honor Oak Park, Lewisham - with his family in 1901.
Annie and Cornelius married in March 1902 at Greenwich and had my Grandfather, Leslie Terry in January 1904. His birth certificate shows as parents living at Adelaide Road, Brockley, London.
I have Cornelius' death certificate showing him living in Hammersmith at time of death in 1938.
There is no trace of Annie after the birth of Leslie in 1904.
Without timely trips to London to search records - and I don't have the time, I feel that I have hit a brick wall with regard to Annie, until I can get my hands on the 1911 census in 6 years time.
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Hi Bozzer
Have you got your Neve family in 1881: Transcribed as NERE ::)
9 Billington Street, Deptford
William P NERE - 36 Head Seedsman & Florist employing 3 men. born Cranbrook, Kent
Mary E NERE - 34 Wife born Cranbrook, Kent
Nellie NERE - Daur 11 - Scholar. born Camberwell, Surrey
Annie NERE - Daur 6 -born Camberwell
Amy NERE - Daur 5 - born Camberwell
William T NERE - Son 3 - born Deptford
Helen :)
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There's also this marriage entry on ancestry.com
Annie Maria Terry - March quarter 1910. Camberwell district.
(index not complete so don't know groom's name)
Did she run off home and marry someone else. :o And we all know the penalty for bigamy - two sets of in-laws ;D
Helen
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WOW I'm glad to know I'm not alone having trouble even talking about family names with older family members they think the dead should be left dead. Reading these posts make me feel not so alone.
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Thank you hlbradd
No, I hadn't found that. I tried a while ago but no joy but as I had found them in 1891 and 1901, I didn't dwell on it too much.
Thank you again
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Thanks for the marriage tip as well. I've already tracked down the reference and as the two possible grooms names mean nothing to me, I've ordered a certificate to see what happens.
Thanks for your help everyone - a very productive 1st days membership.
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WOW I'm glad to know I'm not alone having trouble even talking about family names with older family members they think the dead should be left dead. Reading these posts make me feel not so alone.
You will find that this trait of "we don't really want to know about our family skeletons" is quite common.
What is equally common is that once YOU do all the hard graft and discover these amazing links and wonderful bits of history they usually change their tune. Even if there are some unpleasant reminders of their predecessors' indiscretions...
LOL!
I complained of the same problem with my father-in-law who thought that there was no way that his family (miners all) would have had a family crest for me to twin with my own. Turns out that ALL families have a claim to a crest through association and so there are several for his family! Just a case of tracing his family back far enough to know which one! And that is not easy if he doesn't even know when his GRANDPARENTS where born.
Now take me- I can recite my family back to 1750s due to being German. In Germany my grandmothers needed to prove their "lineage" before they could even get married!
So good on you to persevere! May you find all the skeletons and may they be little ones!
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Message to Helen (hlbradd),
Thanks agin for the marriage tip (your post of 14th April re Annie Terry)
Alas, another dead end. I risked £7 on a marriage certificate which came this morning and the Annie Terry in question was 9 years too young and had the wrong father.
Any ideas?
Thanks again.
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Hi Tarnee
Re your John and Lillian marriage. You might want to try a little bit earlier say 1901 as you could marry when you were a lot younger (say about 14 or 15) up until I think the 1920's,. They could have married later. Re the death certs, it should state who the informant was and where living at the time.
Hope this helps a little bit.
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Hi Carolwalden
RE Charles Walden. You say he was a baker, it may help if you look up in the trade directories as he may well be listed and have a private address. You can search online at http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ :D He may be in Aston in 1871 census, try it online via google or freecen. Hope this helps a little :)
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I would like to wish everyone who posted or read any of this GOOD LUCK! My close family are the types who are just don't want to know. They are all afraid of what I might dig up and that our more distant relations will be problematic people. For a while I kept to myself just in case my family were right. However, when my paternal grandmother died and my uncle denied any knowledge of her photo albums, I was like a dog with a bone. I had spent many an hour with my grandmother looking through her albums when she was alive and she had been kind enough to part with some photos so that I might have something to know my ancestors by. When I had a chance, I got my father to go through my grandmother's things that were left to gather dust and disintegrate in damp plastic bags. I found some fascinating papers (especially my grandmother's uncle's last will and testiment). It was through this will that I was able to find out more about my paternal grandmother's mother's family. Since then I have been able to make contact with a third cousin once removed that neither I nor my father knew about. It is so gratifying because it turns out that it was my family who were the weird ones all along! One lesson I've learned from this experience is don't be shy. Sharing information and going out on that limb to make contact with people you don't know (yet) can end up being very rewarding. HAPPY ANCESTOR (AND FAMILY) HUNTING TO YOU ALL!!!!
Cynthia
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1000xlch , thanks for that will give it look over.
There seems to be a trend for wanting to keep the so called skeletons deep in the closet, but its amazing how few there are lol
So far all i have discovered is a few cousins marrying and the odd pauper.
The Waldens are still a mystery and my Scottish ancestors were over in Ireland somewhere yet to be discovered.
But i have made great progress with my Poskitt family and i still cant believe how many there are ;D
To anyone stuck in a rut, try all lines of enquiry.When you hit a dead end with one family try the next you never know what progress you make.
Have a good Christmas and all the best for the New Year.
Carol
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Hi Carol
Just noticed you have cox in Middlesborough. The IGI is complete for Yorkshire which of course includes Middlesborough back then. Also ordering certs online is easier as the registrar offices for Durham and Cleveland (which includes Middlesborough) have their indexes on line for free. I have used them a few times.
John Rowley
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Hi John, the Tees Valley Index is a great resource, i found Charles Poskitt`s wife using it.
I however am not sure about my Cox family as the only information i have is my grandmothers father was Thomas Cox born about 1890 Middlesbrough.
Its a shame the family didnt keep closer contacts or i wouldnt be stuck.
Am going to order Thomas and Violets marriage certificate to try and get a little further back.
Thanks
Carol
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Messgae for Tarnee
I have found this birth- which might be useful ;D
The parents names are Joseph and Ann. They are on the 1891 census in Everton Liverpool with baby Lilian aged 8 months- by 1901 she is listed as Susannah age 10.
Does your mum know what job her grandad did? And does she recall if there were any aunts and uncles so we have a clue as to other family members.
Births Sep 1890 Fulford Susannah Lilian W. Derby ref 8b 289
I suggest you start your own separate postings on the Lancashire or Cheshire boards as I believe Birkenhead was also classed as Liverpool and therefore would appear under Lancs.
All the best
Carol
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AHhhhhhhh :( maybe not as helpful as I first thought.
I have just found a marriage in June 1919 of a Susannah Lilian FULFORD,to an Alfred ROSE........oh blast >:(
When was your mum born and were there any other kids?
I eventually found my gt grandparents marriage 21 years(and ten kids) after their first son was born....when I was looking for his marriage in fact.
My mum says they probably never felt the need,or they just couldn't afford it.
All the best,
Carol
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Just a silly little Christmas question ! What does this word or abbreviation ' lol ' mean ?? I see it all over the place but to me it only means ' lots of love ' - am I missing something ? ? ::) ::)
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Emmeline
It means Laugh Out Loud...or as oldn's used to say.haha ;D
TTFN (ta ta for now)
Carol
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Just a silly little Christmas question ! What does this word or abbreviation ' lol ' mean ??
'lots of laughs' or 'laughing out loud' :)
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my mothers side of the family dont seem at all interested though my fathers side show a bit more
Andrew
LOL
Lots of Laughs
ROFL
rolls over floor laughing
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Thanks for that Carol, Calver and Andrew - suppose I was showing my age not knowing what it meant. Had only got as far as using swalk. :-* :-* :-*
Anyhow, hoping you all have lol at Christmas and into the New Year.
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My deceased father-in-law + sick sister-in- law had this attitude.Power not to tell info!!! Very spiteful .I'm searching
for mother of Joseph Watkison Lund born abt 1874 Pontefract or Thurnscoe area ? Can anyone help ? ive searched Anc.com and IGI.Heres hoping .
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Hello Ozjobri
And welcome to Rootschat.
I would suggest you post your look up request on the West Riding of Yorkshire request board.
Is it Joseph who was born in 1874? or his mum ;D
What do you have on him already and which censuses have you found him on?
All the best
Carol
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Hi Carol
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Hi Carol
I have his wedding cert. Ponte. Reg. Office .4 May 1896 age 22 .Father George Lund .Brickburner. In the 1901
census at Thurnscoe .b/year abt.1874 .My dec. father -in-law was also JWL .
Can't find JWL sen. -well not sure -on 1881 cens.So need
Georges wife on birth cert ???
Help please.
Will try West Yorks. entry.
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Hi,
You were lucky Carol, my father burnt all family stuff before his death in 2000 to be nasty. All l have is mom's birth cert to get my grandparents names John Graham and Lillian Graham nee Fulford from Birkenhead Cheshire. They died John in 1960 age 73 and Lilian age 76 in 1968 l have their death certs which don't enlighten me at all. l have search for their marriage from 1907 to 1914 and unless l missed it cann't find them. l found 1 John Graham born in 1887 which is about the right year, Lilian should be abt 1892 but have come up with nothing. All this because of one mean old man.
tarnee
My grandad done that too (mum's dad) we think it was after WW2.
So we had to buy copies of his medals, there are no photos of him in Army uniform, or their baby son who died at 18 months, any photos in fact. He burnt the lot.
It is so sad. We have his marriage cert, but we could have ordered a new on if that was the case.
I also cannot find my g grandfathers birth, so I guess he was one of those not registered :-\
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Hi Pettsy,
Since my posting l have manage to find family, never give up, l found my Fulford listed as Pulford so never take the spelling as correct. Lots of good people here have helped me and some l found myself. Have you posted your g grandfather's name and info so someone just might be able to help you.
Good Luck
Tarnee
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Hi Tarnee
I am glad you have found what you are looking for. :D
I knew my grandfather, he died when I was 19, but he destroyed all his paperwork, photos, medals, etc....
I can't find his father, and there is no birth registered for his father either. ???
B c1863/4. On the census he is down as being born in Islington on one, and West Ham on another one ???
I have tried on here to find him, but with no luck.
Although I do have my g grandfathers marriage and death certificate, but I cannot find him on early census, or a birth certificate.
I wont give up though ;)
Cheers
Pettsy
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Just a silly little Christmas question ! What does this word or abbreviation ' lol ' mean ?? I see it all over the place but to me it only means ' lots of love ' - am I missing something ? ? ::) ::)
Hi Emmeline,
I see there were several replies.
Your "lots of love" is a brilliant interpretation.
In the right context it can also mean "little old lady."
Christopher
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Hi Christopher
I think I will stick to my interpretation in this instance in case you get the idea I could possibly be one of those lol ::)
Anyhow - sending you lol from faraway............ lots of laughter too.
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My deceased father-in-law + sick sister-in- law had this attitude.Power not to tell info!!! Very spiteful .I'm searching
for mother of Joseph Watkison Lund born abt 1874 Pontefract or Thurnscoe area ? Can anyone help ? ive searched Anc.com and IGI.Heres hoping .
This is very old, so you've probably moved on, but this is a possibility:
Birth
Dec 1872 Basford 7b 110
Joseph Watkinson LUNN
Richard
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Thanks Richard .Yes you are right . I have come to realise that people who try to do this to others are pathetic & sad .There are always ways & means .
Jose