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Title: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 11:30 GMT (UK)
I need to find some information about Dorothy Worsfold for part of my history project. She was my grandmother's mother. All I know is that she died in 1996, at the age of 68yrs, and she married Francis De Montford.
It would be a great help if anyone could give me information about her job, siblings, etc, or even dates. Thank you :)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 12:30 GMT (UK)
Do you have any more info about Dorothy - like where she was born (even just vague ideas of country/county)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 07 December 10 12:48 GMT (UK)
Is this her birth?:
Births Registered Mar 1/4 1929   
Worsfold  Dorothy 
Mother's maiden name: Whitwell 
district: Hemsworth 
Volume 9c
page: 280

If you purchase this you shoud get both parent's full names and occupations.

I can't see her marriage to Francis on Freebmd.  :-\
 
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 07 December 10 12:53 GMT (UK)
Sept 1/4 1921
Herbert TG Worsfold married Lily Whitwell
Pontefract
9c 259

The marriage certificate will give both father's names, occupations etc.
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: SWar on Tuesday 07 December 10 12:54 GMT (UK)
Hi,

From Free BMD
There is a birth registered for Dorothy Worsfold in Hemsworth in the March quarter 1929.
Mother's maiden name - Whitwell

Other Worsfold children registered with same mother's maiden name -

**

All in Hemsworth registration district

Possible marriage for parents

Sep 1921 Pontefract
Worsfold Herbert T G     Whitwell Lily

**Moderator's Comment: details of possible living people removed in accordance with Rootschat policy. Please use PM to relay such information
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 12:57 GMT (UK)
Hi SWar, hate to be a killjoy, but I think you should send that info via PM rather than post in on here - those people could all still be living!
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you for all the information you've all given me. I don't know much about her, so I couldn't give any more info. But thank you for your help,  :)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:02 GMT (UK)
This might fit in with herbert TG snr:

Births Sep 1899    
Worsfold  Herbert Thomas G     Poole  5a 245
 :-\

Surprisingly there are several Lily Whitwell births  ...
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:07 GMT (UK)
Hi both all  :)

I  just read your other post, Ellie,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,500359.0.html
and now I wonder whether you're sure about Dorothy's dates.

Now it turns out Francis' name was Culpin, I see this marriage:

Jun 1922 Willesden Francis D Culpin - Ada D L Worsfold

and a death: Ada Dorothy L Culpin, born 28 Jul 1900
Mar 1976, Colchester district
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:13 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that Tati.

I've been searching for the Herbert TG b 1899 and found one in the 1901 census b Branksome Dorset with mother Annie but I might put the search on hold till we sort out this Culpin business.  ;)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:16 GMT (UK)
Um so it's back to the drawing board ... How do these look?:

Births
Dec 1900
Culpin  Francis De Montford     
Wandsworth 
1d 746   
 
and

Births
Sep 1900
Worsfold  Ada Dorothy L     
Mile End 
1c 451

As far as you know Ellie, is this at least the right part of the country?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:17 GMT (UK)
New thread for Francis De-Montford-Culpin here-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=500359.new

Multiple threads asking for details about the same people tend to cause extra work and needless confusion for those trying to help so I'm going to lock other topic.

Also please remember that Rootschat policy does not allow posting details of any living people. Please see the topic below from the Help pages which has links to hints for finding living relatives-
www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php#living
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:19 GMT (UK)
Shall we just continue here?

If Ellie agrees we're on the right track then I can offer this christening:

30 Sep 1900 Christ Church, Stepney, London
Ada Dorothy Louisa Worsfold
parents Harry Worsfold and Ada Annie of 87 Charles Street, father a Police Constable
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:22 GMT (UK)
Francis Montford-Culpin
born 27 Sep 1900
died Jul 1987 aged 86
Lambeth 14 238

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:26 GMT (UK)
Francis in 1901?

70 Hatfield Road, St Albans
George F CUlpin  Head  Mar  38  Clerk Civil Service WAr Office  bn Herts Stevenage
Florence S Culpin  Wife  Mar  32  bn Surrey Ballam
Francis M Culpin  Son  6mnths  bn Surrey Ballam
Edith R Reed  serv  17  Gen serv dom  bn Essex Hatfield Broad Oak

RG13; Piece: 1312; Folio: 58; Page: 2
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:28 GMT (UK)
So Francis' real name was Francis De Monford-Culpin? Well that explains why his children had the surname Culpin :) Thank you for all your wonderful help :D
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:32 GMT (UK)
George Francis Culpin of 90 Hadham Road, Bishop Stortford died 1 May 1932.  Probate granted to widow Florence Sarah Culpin
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:33 GMT (UK)
Interesting - George Francis Culpin mar Florence Sarah Culpin in Jun qtr 1905 Croydon 2a 590
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:41 GMT (UK)
Just did a bit of a "Google" and came up with this:-

CULPIN, Francis de Montfort, SL - Bronze Star - 461015 - RAF

The entry was on a list of American Awards to British and Commonwealth Personnel 1942-1949.

 ???

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:46 GMT (UK)
Just did a bit of a "Google" and came up with this:-

CULPIN, Francis de Montfort, SL - Bronze Star - 461015 - RAF

The entry was on a list of American Awards to British and Commonwealth Personnel 1942-1949.

 ???

Luzzu

I saw this too!! .. I'm a bit blonde sometimes, but does this mean he was in the army or something?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:47 GMT (UK)
He was an Acting Squandron Leader.  I think that must be RAF.  There is an extract from The London Gazette on Google but am struggling with the link at the moment.

I  hope its the same person  :-\.

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:51 GMT (UK)
Still struggling with the link but according to the London Gazette he was given this Bronze Medal by the President of the United States on Tuesday, 15 Oct 1946.

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: nigelp on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:54 GMT (UK)
Interesting - George Francis Culpin mar Florence Sarah Culpin in Jun qtr 1905 Croydon 2a 590

There is a Kate Culpin of Stevenage Hertfordshire (wife of George Francis Culpin) died 6 February 1905. Administration London 11 July to Mabel Sherrington Culpin spinster. Effects £110 10s.

George Francis Culpin married Kate Sherrington - 3a 605 Hitchin Dec 1883 qtr.

Nigel
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 13:56 GMT (UK)
Looks like Florence was George's second marriage.  

In 1891 he is living on Albert St, St Albans

George F Culpin  Head  Mar  29  2 Division Clerk War Office  bn  Herts Stevenage
Kate Culpin  Wife  34  bn Herts Bennington
Mabel S Culpin  Dau  6  Herts Stevenage
Edith G Culpin  Dau  5  Herts Stevenage
Norah B Culpin  Dau  3  Herts Stevenage
Maggie F Culpin  Dau  1mnths Herts Stevenage
Sallie EK Culpin  Dau  1mnths  Herts Stevenage

RG12; Piece: 1106; Folio 26; Page 12
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:00 GMT (UK)
All tying up nicely Nigel!

1901 Kate is living in Stevenage with daus Mabel (16), Gwendoline (15), Norah (13), Margaret (10), Daisy (10)

RG13; Piece: 1298; Folio: 92; Page: 33
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:08 GMT (UK)
Quote
Interesting - George Francis Culpin mar Florence Sarah Culpin in Jun qtr 1905 Croydon 2a 590

There is a tree on A******y suggesting that Sarah Florence's maiden name was Newman but I can't find anything to confirm that at the moment.

 ???

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:10 GMT (UK)
This is all such great work - Thank you all for your help! There is so much information you've given me, but i'm slightly confused...  :-\ So who was Dorothy Worsfold's parents and grand parents?
Thanks again for all your great work :)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: nigelp on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:11 GMT (UK)
Mabel Sherrington Culpin married Arthur William Snelling at All Saints, Fulham on 13 Jan 1909. Mabel gives her father's (George Francis) occupation as 'Clerk at H.M. War Office'.

Nigel
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:16 GMT (UK)
Francis Montford Culpin had a younger sister:-

Verula Mary Elizabeth Culpin
2nd qtr 1906 St Albans 3a 830

If you check the 1911 census they were living in St Albans.

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: nigelp on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:21 GMT (UK)
This is all such great work - Thank you all for your help! There is so much information you've given me, but i'm slightly confused...  :-\ So who was Dorothy Worsfold's parents and grand parents?
Thanks again for all your great work :)

For parents / baptism see reply #12 of Tati above.

Harry Worsfold married Ada Annie Gunthorpe - 1a 1295 Marylebone Sep 1898 qtr. (marriage was at All Saints, St John's Wood on 16 July 1898). Harry was aged 22, a Police Constable of 74 Leman Street, father named as George Worsfold - gardener (deceased). Ada Annie was aged 23, of Langford Place, father named as George Gunthorpe - timber haulier (deceased).

Nigel
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:31 GMT (UK)
There is another possible sister for Francis (parents George Francis and Sarah Florence) but this one needs more checking out.

Ivy Annabel Culpin
4th qtr 1897
St Albans 3a 634

and she died (I think):-

1st qtr 1898
Holborn 1b 476

I am assuming that George Francis and Florence Sarah were unable to marry until 1905  as Kate was still alive.  Kate died in 1905 and then George married Sarah later that same year.

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:34 GMT (UK)
Who were Francis' parents/grandparents?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:34 GMT (UK)
Think death date is wrong - there is a baptism for Ivy Annabel on 16 Feb 1899 at Queen Squ, St George the Martyr, Camden


Death date should be 1899, but agree that it is the same person!
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:35 GMT (UK)
Who were Francis' parents/grandparents?

Francis' parents were George Francis Culpin and Florence Sarah (possibly Newman).  They married in 1905 after George's first wife (Kate) died.
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:37 GMT (UK)
Who were Francis' parents/grandparents?

Francis' parents were George Francis Culpin and Florence Sarah (possibly Newman).  They married in 1905 after George's first wife (Kate) died.

Aah thank you :)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:46 GMT (UK)
Quote
Think death date is wrong - there is a baptism for Ivy Annabel on 16 Feb 1899 at Queen Squ, St George the Martyr, Camden

Death date should be 1899, but agree that it is the same person!

Thanks for that Spidermonkey.  You are correct when I checked the original it is 1899.  I thought it didn't seem right when I was typing it because it gave her age as 1.  Should have checked  ::).

Do the parents on the baptism confirm she George and Florence's daughter because I wasn't sure?


Luzzu


PS.  EllieMichelle - you are going to need a diagram to sort this lot out  :D.
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:48 GMT (UK)
Yes, parents are given as George and Florence with George being a clerk.
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:49 GMT (UK)
Quote

PS.  EllieMichelle - you are going to need a diagram to sort this lot out  :D.

Yes, I certainly do. I'm making my own family tree, with a page of information to explain about them (jobs, home towns, etc). So all of this hard work will be payed off :)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:52 GMT (UK)
oops, my last reply went a little funny  ;D
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:52 GMT (UK)
So did Francis only have a few siblings?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:54 GMT (UK)
I think spending a little money at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk might be in order - there is a court order for a legal separation between Florence Sarah Culpin and George Francis Culpin. J 77/1276/8924

To view it, from the home page link that I have given you, click on 'advanced search' (top right hand corner), then 'person search (beta)' on the bottom of the blue box.  Put in George Culpin and the first result should be the separation application.
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:56 GMT (UK)
So did Francis only have a few siblings?

Well, it looks as if he had 5 half sisters (sharing a father), a sister who died in infancy (Ivy) and another sister who is mentioned on the 1911 (Verula or something like that)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:58 GMT (UK)
So did Francis only have a few siblings?

Well, it looks as if he had 5 half sisters (sharing a father), a sister who died in infancy (Ivy) and another sister who is mentioned on the 1911 (Verula or something like that)

Hmm, interesting. So most of his siblings weren't blood related?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:01 GMT (UK)
Quote
Who were Francis' parents/grandparents?

Paternal grandparents:-

Millice Culpin (1820-1888) and Sarah Squires Barrett (1823-1915)


1871

Millice Culpin 51 head mar carrier bn St Ives, Herts
Sarah S Culpin 48 wife mar bn Little Downham, Camb
Millice Culpin 24  son mar carrier bn Burlington, Herts
Catherine Culpin 20 dau unm sewing machinist bn Stevenage, Herts
Sarah B Culpin 19 dau unm sewing machinist bn Stevenage, Herts
Sophia Culpin 14 dau unm bn Stevenage, Herts
Rachel Culpin 13 dau unm bn Stevenage, Herts
George Culpin 9 son unm bn Stevenage, Herts
Bertha Culpin 5  dau unm bn Stevenage, Herts

RG10/1365/87 p 45

Marriage:-
Millice Culpin/Sarah Squires Barratt
1st qtr 1846
Royston 6 691

Rachel Culpin was witness to George and Florence's marriage in 1905 which took place at Christ Church, Mitcham, Surrey on 5 September.

Luzzu


Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:02 GMT (UK)
Luzzu - have you seen the marriage cert?  Does it give any info about Florence?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:06 GMT (UK)
Killing people off - Florence S Culpin died 1956 aged 87 in Bishop Stortford 4b 9
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:08 GMT (UK)
Quote
Well, it looks as if he had 5 half sisters (sharing a father), a sister who died in infancy (Ivy) and another sister who is mentioned on the 1911 (Verula or something like that)

I with you.  I am up to 8 including George Francis - 5 from the 1st marriage and 3 from the 2nd:-

Mabel Sherrington CULPIN
Edith Gwendoline CULPIN
Norah Bertha CULPIN
Margaret Florence CULPIN
Sarah Kathleen CULPIN

Ivy Annabel CULPIN
Francis de Montfort CULPIN
Verula Mary Elizabeth CULPIN

Haven't had chance to check out all the birth references but they should be on FreeBMD.

Luzzu

Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:11 GMT (UK)
I would check out this one as possible number 9:-

Gertrude Sarah Culpin

birth 1st qtr 1885 Hitchin 3a 463
death 2nd qtr 1886 Hitchin 3a 246

Only the certificate will confirm it unless .......... someone can come up with a baptism  ???.

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:12 GMT (UK)
So where does Milas Culpin come in? Was he the father to Millice?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:14 GMT (UK)
Quote
Luzzu - have you seen the marriage cert?  Does it give any info about Florence?

Sorry no I haven't  :(.  I jotted it down whilst I was "Googling" earlier on.  There was only the name of the church and one witness and of course the date of the marriage.

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:18 GMT (UK)
I'm looking at Ada Dorothy Louisa Worsfold. I can't easily spot her in 1901 but it seems that she had the following siblings:

Harry Worsfold - Jun quarter 1903 - Mile End Old Town district
Kitty Edith Worsfold - Jun quarter 1906 - Mile End Old Town district
Alfred William Worsfold - Jun quarter 1908 - Mile End Old Town district
Rose E Worsfold - Sep quarter 1913 - Hendon district

Her mother's maiden name was Gunthorpe:

Marriage 16 Jul 1898 All Saints, St John's Wood
Harry Worsfold, 22, Bachelor, Police Constable, residence 74 Leman Street, father George Worsfold (deceased), occupation Gardener
Ada Annie Gunthorpe, 23, spinster, residence 4 Langford Place, father George Gunthorpe (deceased), occupation Timber Haulier
Witnesses Walter Williams and Annie Edith Chillingworth

Both Harry and Ada should be easily found in the 1881 census, free to search at www.familysearch.org
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:21 GMT (UK)
I'm looking at Ada Dorothy Louisa Worsfold. I can't easily spot her in 1901 but it seems that she had the following siblings:

Harry Worsfold - Jun quarter 1903 - Mile End Old Town district
Kitty Edith Worsfold - Jun quarter 1906 - Mile End Old Town district
Alfred William Worsfold - Jun quarter 1908 - Mile End Old Town district
Rose E Worsfold - Sep quarter 1913 - Hendon district

Her mother's maiden name was Gunthorpe:

Marriage 16 Jul 1898 All Saints, St John's Wood
Harry Worsfold, 22, Bachelor, Police Constable, residence 74 Leman Street, father George Worsfold (deceased), occupation Gardener
Ada Annie Gunthorpe, 23, spinster, residence 4 Langford Place, father George Gunthorpe (deceased), occupation Timber Haulier
Witnesses Walter Williams and Annie Edith Chillingworth

Both Harry and Ada should be easily found in the 1881 census, free to search at www.familysearch.org


Its definatley right that Ada Dorothy had those siblings - I remember my Grandma telling me she used to call someone Auntie Kitty, so you've got the right information :)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:22 GMT (UK)
Millice Culpin died in 30 Dec 1888 and he left a will.  If you want to send office for a copy, this is the link.  It costs £5.00.

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:24 GMT (UK)
Millice Culpin died in 30 Dec 1888 and he left a will.  If you want to send office for a copy, this is the link.  It costs £5.00.

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm

Luzzu

Thank you. I don't know if i'd buy the will, but do you know what things people would put in their will in those days?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:27 GMT (UK)
Just to add to the confusion there's another thread about CULPIN family here with information posted-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,499784.msg3572171.html#msg3572171
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:29 GMT (UK)
okay okay we're sorry. Im going to stick to this post and not post anymore. OK?  :-\


Anyway, back to what I was saying. How does Milas come into this? I had some information my Grandma gave to me, about that Milas was the son of Millice? Or it might be the other way round..
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:31 GMT (UK)
Hatching, matching and dispatching!


Mabel Sherrington CULPIN married Arthur Snelling
Edith Gwendoline CULPIN married Albert Burchfell
Norah Bertha CULPIN
Margaret Florence CULPIN didn't marry and died in 1965?
Sarah Kathleen CULPIN

Ivy Annabel CULPIN
Francis de Montfort CULPIN
Verula Mary Elizabeth CULPIN

Haven't had chance to check out all the birth references but they should be on FreeBMD.

Luzzu


Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:32 GMT (UK)
Quote
So where does Milas Culpin come in? Was he the father to Millice?
I'm confused now.  Who is Milas?  I have Millice Culpin as father to George Francis and grandfather to Francis de Montfort.

Also when I posted the 1871 census I gave his occupation as carrier - this isn't right - he was a currier and leather cutter.

The earliest I can see him at the moment is in 1851:-

Millice Culpin 31 head mar currier born St Ives
Sarah S Culpin 28 wife born Downham
B E Lamartine Culpin 2 son born Buntingford
Catherine Culpin 11m dau born Stevenage
Millice Culpin 4 son born Buntingford

HO107/1709/272 p 3

No sign of his father yet.

Can't see him yet in 1841.

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:35 GMT (UK)
Quote
So where does Milas Culpin come in? Was he the father to Millice?
Quote

I'm confused now.  Who is Milas?  I have Millice Culpin and father to George Francis and grandfather to Francis de Montfort.

Also when I posted the 1871 census I gave his occupation as carrier - this isn't right - he was a currier and leather cutter.

The earliest I can see him at the moment is in 1851:-

Millice Culpin 31 head mar currier born St Ives
Sarah S Culpin 28 wife born Downham
B E Lamartine Culpin 2 son born Buntingford
Catherine Culpin 11m dau born Stevenage
Millice Culpin 4 son born Buntingford

HO107/1709/272 p 3

No sige of his father yet.

Can't see him yet in 1841.

Luzzu





No one has talked about Millas Culpin in this post yet - He was a medical practitioner, and married Ethel Maude Bennet in 1907, where he went to Shanghai. I'm just trying to figure out who his parents are, and where he fits into the family tree.
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:38 GMT (UK)
I saw a Doctor in one of the directories but didn't post it because I didn't want to confuse further.

Was he George Francis Culpin's brother who is on the census as Millice, aged 4 in 1851?

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:40 GMT (UK)
I saw a Doctor in one of the directories but didn't post it because I didn't want to confuse further.

Was he George Francis Culpin's brother who is on the census as Millice?

Luzzu

I'm not sure. Apparently Millais' spelling of his name changes from different census', so maybe a "millice" is actually him?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:41 GMT (UK)
A while ago there was a tv series called "Casualty 1909", and there were charactors in there called Doctor Millais Culpin and Ethel Maude Bennett (which are my ancestors) :)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:44 GMT (UK)
I believe the one who married Ethel Maud Bennet is the 7 year old son 'Milli' here

1881 census
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ao1/
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:46 GMT (UK)
Ellie- it might be a good idea to have a look at all the details already posted on both the threads and then organise the information already found by family groups so you can clearly see which birth, marriage and death, census, etc.  information has already been found for you. This will also help you see where there are gaps that can perhaps be filled in. Think it would also be a good idea to take a black piece of paper and make a rough chart (sometimes you can't beat the old-fashioned research methods  :) ) If you include name(s), years of birth, marriage and death to keep it simple and uncluttered it should be easier to sort out the relationships.
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:47 GMT (UK)
Ellie- it might be a good idea to have a look at all the details already posted on both the threads and then organise the information already found by family groups so you can clearly see which birth, marriage and death, census, etc.  information has already been found for you. This will also help you see where there are gaps that can perhaps be filled in. Think it would also be a good idea to take a black piece of paper and make a rough chart (sometimes you can't beat the old-fashioned research methods  :) ) If you include name(s), years of birth, marriage and death to keep it simple and uncluttered it should be easier to sort out the relationships.

Sounds great. I think I have most of the information I need anyway :)
Thank you all for your help  :D
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:47 GMT (UK)
Hatching, matching and dispatching!


Mabel Sherrington CULPIN married Arthur Snelling
Edith Gwendoline CULPIN married Albert Burchfell
Norah Bertha CULPIN
Margaret Florence CULPIN didn't marry and died in 1965?
Sarah Kathleen CULPIN

Ivy Annabel CULPIN
Francis de Montfort CULPIN
Verula Mary Elizabeth CULPIN

Haven't had chance to check out all the birth references but they should be on FreeBMD.

Luzzu
Looks like Sarah Kathleen also married Arthur Snelling! DEc qtr 1920, Hendon
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:50 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your help! I don't think I need any more information. If I do, I'll comment on this post. Thanks again :)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:55 GMT (UK)
Hi.

Just before I go, I have sent you a PM with a little bit of info which I can't post on the thread 'cos of copyright but I think it confirms that Millice Culpin, the doctor/surgeon was the brother of George Francis Culpin and they were both sons of Millice Culpin (1820-1888) and his wife, Sarah Squires Barratt (1823-1915)

Best of luck and thank you for the diversion this afternoon.  Very interesting and most enjoyable.

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 07 December 10 15:59 GMT (UK)
Thanks again for your help. And yes, It was really interesting, and a great help for my school work too.

Ellie x
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 07 December 10 23:35 GMT (UK)
Wow, what a lot of information has been found since last night. Well done to all.  :)

I'm a bit disappointed that all the action happened while I was asleep.

What an interesting family you have Ellie. I'm sure everyone has really enjoyed searching for your ancestors.

Good luck with your school work. I hope you top the class!
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Spidermonkey on Thursday 09 December 10 14:50 GMT (UK)
I was looking at the Times Archive for something else (and failing badly!) when I came across George Francis Cuplin's citation for OBE as Acting Chief Examiner for Land Department, War Office  Reported in Times Mar 31st 1920
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Thursday 09 December 10 17:20 GMT (UK)
Thank you Ruskie! I'm really enjoying all this actually, and i'm still writing up some information you've all found over the past few days.
If anyone comes across anything more, please let me know and i'll be most greatful :)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Wednesday 15 December 10 17:25 GMT (UK)
hey again! my project is in tomorrow, and i've nearly finished my work. but can anyone tell me who Millice Culpin's (1820-1888) parents were?
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Wednesday 15 December 10 17:40 GMT (UK)
I think they were Charles Culpin (born circa 1787 Elson,Huntingdonshire) and Catherine Watts (born circa 1783 St Ives).

They are on the 1841 census indexed as Gilpin:-

Class: HO107; Piece 448; Book: 11; Civil Parish: St Ives; County: Huntingdonshire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 43; Page: 20

and on the 1851 census indexed as Calpin:-

Class: HO107; Piece: 1749; Folio: 550; Page: 24

Charles died in 3rd qtr 1852 and Catherine in 1st qtr 1869 (www.freebmd.org.uk)

Luzzu
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Wednesday 15 December 10 17:44 GMT (UK)
thank you, i think thats all i need to ask. thanks again :D
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Luzzu on Wednesday 15 December 10 17:50 GMT (UK)
You're welcome.  Just come across a baptism in 1787 in Elton for Charles Culpin on www.familysearch.org and it says his parents were Richard Culpin and Mary.

Hope you do well with your project.    Let us know how you go on.

Luzzu

Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: geoff_43 on Tuesday 01 March 11 07:49 GMT (UK)
Probably too late now, but just joined up. Have been researching for years, but not on a chat group before. Sorry if break any rules.
"Dorothy Worsfold" was baptised Ada Dorothy Louisa Worsfold on 30 Sept 1900 at Christ Chuch, Jamica Street, Tower Hamlets, London.

Geoff
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: geoff_43 on Tuesday 01 March 11 07:50 GMT (UK)
Sorry, should have mentioned, her sister Kitty was my grandmother

Geoff
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Tuesday 01 March 11 17:56 GMT (UK)
I've been researching about my ancestors for months now. I've got quite a bit of information about the Worsfold's if you need any.
:)
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold, Culpins
Post by: Culpin on Wednesday 09 March 11 23:02 GMT (UK)
Way too late for your project Ellie but I stumbled across this website and just *had* to reply to set some things straight. I have researched the Culpin family for years now since I'm also descended from a Culpin so I have gathered a large amount of information and pictures.

All the children and the wives you have fro George Francis Culpin are right (wife Kate Sherrington which he married in 1883 and had daughters Mabel, Edith, Norah, Margaret & Sarah and "wife" Florence Newman with which he had daughter Ivy, son Francis and daughter Verula. Florence became his wife officially in the 2d quarter of 1905 since Kate died 6 February 1905. He and Florence separated but never got divorced so he still left her his money when he died 1 May 1932).

But the doctor from the BBC series Millais Culpin wasn't his brother but his nephew.
George Francis' parents were Millice Culpin 1820-1888 & Sarah Squires Barrett 1823-1915. George had 11 siblings:
1- Millice Culpin 1846-1941 leather currier who enrolled as a student at London Hospital in 1877. He had married Hannah Munsey in 1869 qualified as a doctor in 1882 and emigrated to Australia in 1891 with his wife and 6 children. They settled in Taringa, Queensland were Millice ran a small private hospital he named 'Stevenage'. He was a rather stern looking man with a long beard.
His second child was Millais Culpin, 1874-1952 who married Ethel Maude Dimery Bennett on 19 April 1913 in Shanghai.
They had 1 daughter Frances Millais Culpin who was born in Australia. Millais was far more handsome than the actor who played him  ;)   I'll try to attach a photograph of him.

2 - Benjamin Ephraim Lamartine Culpin 1848-1928 married Eliza Matthews, had 7 children
3 - Catherine Culpin 1850-1932 married Francis Joshua Kirby & adopted Elsie Bertha Barrett Culpin
4 - Sarah Barrett Culpin 1851-1932 never married, became a nurse and later on Matron
5 - Eliza Anne Culpin 1853-1922 married Thomas Fraser
6 - Rachel Culpin 1854-1856
7 - Sophia Culpin 1856-1923 married James Roome, had 4 children
8 - Rachel Culpin 1858-1929 married Benjamin Kirby
9 - Charles Culpin 1859-? leather currier, married Clara Barrett, had 5 children
10 - stillborn male baby 1864
11 - Bertha Culpin 1866-1964, never married, 1st class clerk Custom House and General Postoffice

The parents of Millice Culpin 1820-1888 were Charles Culpin & Catherine Watts. Millice's eldest brother was called Charles as well and is my ancestor.
I have been able to find another 6 generations prior to Charles & Catherine and with all the children of every generation I have some very extensive branches in my tree. Do let me know if you would like to know more or get some pictures of either Millice (the 1846 one) or Millais.
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: EllieMichelle_x on Monday 08 August 11 20:16 BST (UK)
Me and my brother were talking the other day, and we've decided we're going to carry on with the Culpin family tree. We got lots of information from this post, now all we need is to put it together.

Thank you very much 'Culpin' for that last post - it's very helpful. :)

If anyone has anymore information, etc, then please tell us. We'd be very happy! :D
Title: Re: Dorothy Worsfold.
Post by: Culpin on Tuesday 09 August 11 01:20 BST (UK)
Francis' middle name was De Montford his last name was Culpin.

He was born 27/9/1900 in Wandsworth, Surrey and died in 1987 in Lambeth, London.
His parents were George Francis Culpin (1861 Hitchin) and Florence Sarah Newman. They married in the 2d quarter of 1905. In the marriage index you will find Florence's last name is registered as Culpin as well, probably since they had been living together for years while George was still married to his 1st wife Kate Sherrington. Kate died in February 1905.
Francis' full siblings were Ivy Annabelle Culpin (1897-1899) and Verula Mary Elizabeth Culpin (1906-1995). His father George had had 5 daughters with 1st wife Kate so they were his half sisters: Mabel Sherrington Culpin (1884), Edith Gwendolen Culpin (1886), Norah Bertha Culpin (1887), Margaret Florence Culpin (1891) and Sarah Kathleen Eliza Culpin (1891).

Francis was known as Florrie as a child. You can find him in the 1911 census as: 10 years, living at NO 4 STANHOPE ROAD ST ALBANS, Hertfordshire with parents (married 5 years) and sister Verula.
Francis married Ada Dorothy Louisa Worsfold (1900-1996) in 1922 in Willesden, London.
He was awarded the American Bronze Star for his services in the RAF in WWII: AMERICAN AWARDS TO BRITISH AND COMMONWEALTH PERSONNEL, 1942 TO 1949: CULPIN, Francis de Montfort, SL - Bronze Star - 461015 - RAF [15/10/1946]
Francis and Ada (Dorothy) had 3 daughters.

I'll try to attach a photograph. The first man on the left in the back row is George. The others are:
Back row: Unidentified, George Culpin, Sally Culpin (haven't pinned the right individual down yet), Dr Millice Culpin (George's eldest brother and father of Dr Millais Culpin from the BBC series Casualty 1900), Bertha Culpin (George's youngest sister).
Front row, left to right: Unidentified, Rachel Culpin (George's 5th sister out of 6 sisters), Mrs Millice Culpin Snr (born Sarah Squires Barrett).