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Would anyone please be willing to look up David DEAKIN (b 1823). Not sure which county he'd be in, but oral history says his parents may have been from Longton.
He emigrated to the States at some point and married there in 1855, so he might only be lurking somewhere in the 1841 Census.
Sorry, it's a little vague, but I'm hoping there might not be too many David Deakins around!! ;)
Thanks in anticipation :)
Aitch
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1841 ages were rounded down to the nearest 5yrs and birthplaces were not shown - just whether or not they were born in the county in which they were living
There is one entry b 1821 and 2 b 1826 - none were born in the county in which they were living
If he was b 1823 - he would appear as age 15 so either of the 1826 entries could be him
One was living in Uttoxeter Staffs but not b Staffs - no other Deakins in household
The other was living in Salford Lancs with parents James & Elizabeth
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The 1851 has a married David Deakin b 1822 Cheadle Cheshire and a David N b Worcs 1826
The next entry was born 1834
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Thanks Carole,
Mmm... not as clear cut as I'd hoped.
I'm trying to sort this one on behalf of an American friend, whose few notes (about the Staffs connection in particular) now seem like they might be someone's IGI wishful thinking.
However, I've now seen an original handwritten note which probably contains the only certain facts.
It looks to have been written in the late 1800's in the US, so unclear quite who wrote it.
Here's a verbatim transcript... I've no idea what the reference to Devizes is, but that's how the note begins. If you like puzzles - will you take a look & see if you can spot any clues I might have missed?? :)
"Devizes a large market town in Wiltshire. Mary Ann Jones was born Oct 28 1831 in the County of Hereford, England. 9.10 AM. David Deakin was born Feby 5.50 AM 31st 1831 in the County of Derby, England (we were) (?)Married August 16th 1855. George Bolton Deakin Born May 12th 1856 7.30.PM Birmingham All ….
Sarah Ann Deakin Born August 31st 1857 9.45 PM Hancock Co Ohio...."
It goes on to detail more births in the US.
It looks possible that they'd emigrated before the 1851 and I'd imagine there would be a fair crop of Mary Ann Jones' born in Hereford in 1831, so she won't be an easy one to trace in the 1841 either.
Any thoughts would be much appreciated! :) :)
Thanks again
Aitch
The name Deakin later develops into 'Dakin' and interestingly I have Dakin ancestors from the Derbys/Staffs border, including a Bolton Dakin - (not a common forename I think). I wonder if 'Dakin' would have been picked up in your soundex search for Deakin???
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Hi Aitch,
This is the only David born c 1831 in Derby I can find;
1841 Census
Church Gresley, Derbyshire
HO107/191/6/Church Gresley
John DEAKIN, 41, Potter, No
Sarah, 37, No
William, 12
DAVID, 10
John, 7
George, 3
Frances, 1
John/Sarah not born in County and all the Children are.
1851 Census
Castle Gresley, Derbyshire
HO107/2011/536/17
John DEAKIN, 51, Head, Widow, Potter, born Staffordshire, Longton
DAVID, 20, Son, Unm, Potter, born Derbyshire, Weedon Box
John, 17, Son, Unm, Potter, born Weedon Box
George, 13, Son, born Weedon Box
Frances, 11, Daug, born Castle Gresley
Sarah Ann, 3, Daug, born Castle Gresley
Mary, 6, Daug, born Castle Gresley
Mary WINFIELD, 23, Neice, Unm, born Castle Gresley
Trish :)
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The IGI has a Submitted Records of John;
John DEAKIN, Christened 24 march 1799, Longton, Stafford
Parents JOHN Deakin and Frances BOLTON
They married 02 May 1797, Norton in the Moors, Stafford
This needs to be confirmed by Parish Records and hopefully someone has access :)
Looks good though as Davids first Son is George Bolton Deakin.
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Oooooh.... that is looking good Trish - thankyou!
Also gives some creedence to the idea that an earlier generation was from Staffordshire with the Longton connection - and the Bolton surname used as a middle name is a gift isn't it :) There seem to be Bolton's in later generations too.
Have you any experience of tracking emmigrants - my lot thought the world ended at Leek and Ahsbourne, so I've never had cause to search ships manifests! Any hints to how I might go about seeing when/where from David might sailed? I'm not sure where to start! If this is one and the same, he must have left between 1851 and 1856. Is there a database somewhere??
Many thanks again for your time and help
- Aitch :)
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You are welcome :)
Mmm not my area of expertise emigration to the USA/Canada etc
Now with Georges Birth is that Birmingham in England or USA?
Did David and Mary Marry in England or not?
(I cant find a Marriage in England)
Maybe if no one posts any extra info on here then a posting on the USA Borad may help as people have access to Records we do not.
Trish :)
Someone has Tree with John 1800 on it but have him born Stone, Staffs but I think we have the correct one as your David is with him and he is born Longton.
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I was looking for a Marriage in Staffs for John and Sarah but this may be it ;)
John DEAKIN
Sarah WINFIELD, 28 March 1826, St Peter, Derby, Derby, England
(Source Familysearch Pilot)
Now in 1851 Census we have Mary Winfield, Neice, living with John Deakin and Family;
Chrsitening/baptism, F/S Pilot;
Mary WINFIELD, 10 Feb 1828, Church Gresley, Derby, England
Parents STEPHEN and FRANCES
So is Stephen Sarahs Brother? I think so!
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1841 Census
Church Gresley, Derbyshire
HO107/191/5/Church Gresley
Stephen WINFIELD, 46, Master Potter, NOT born in County
Samuel, 13
MARY, 13
Emma, 11
Maria, 10
Stephen, 7
All Children born in County
Do you have access to Census?
Mary is easy to trace and never Marries and turns up with Family connections including a Staley.
I have to get off the Computer soon as its nearly 2.00am here in Sydney.
1891 census Mary is with Sarah Ann CLAYTON, nee Deakin in Staffordshire and there is a John E Deakin age 5 visiting also.
Marriage;
John Edward CLAYTON, Dec 1873, Wolverhampton, 6b 1046
On the same page is Sarah Ann DEAKIN
Trish :)
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Sorry if I have gone off on a tangent here but I was enjoying the challenge.
Back tomorrow.
Just let me know if I can find anything else for you.
Trish :)
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Thank you Trish - I could see you were on a roll!! It's all looking very neat and logical - I'll sit and piece it together shortly - meanwhile it sounds like high time you were heading for bed!!
I don't have ancestry sub at the moment. I let it lapse in the vain hope of cutting down time spent researching, but that never works does it?! I may have to sub again in the new year when work/kids/life is not quite so hectic.
Many thanks again for your efforts :)
Aitch
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Sorry Trish - realised I didn't answer your point about whereabouts the children of David Deakin/Mary Ann Jones were born. It looks like George (1856) was born Birmingham, Allegheny. PA, and my friend suggests that David and Mary Ann were likely to have married in the States (& not in the UK) just prior to that.
I guess al least that removes the question of how David (from Derbyshire) could have bumped into Mary Ann (from Herefordshire).
It seems that there was large pottery established in Swadlincote in 1821 (close to the area these Deakins were born, which makes sense of why John Deakin (1799) might have moved there - he was a potter from Longton (the heart of the Staffordshire Pottery industry).
I love it when stories begin to make sense, don't you? :)
You were right about Stephen Winfield (1794) being the brother of Sarah Winfield (1803). They were both children of Stephen & Frances Winfield (probs born around 1770). Stephen junior was baptised in Hartshorne & his sister in a neighbouring village of Blackfordby.
There don't seem to be any easily found online leads for the Deakin/Bolton/Winfields at the top of the tree, so it may just grind to a halt here, though maybe when I resub to ancestry next year I can then at least track all the Deakin/Winfield/Bolton offspring.
Thanks once again for all your help :)
- aitch :)
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I am related to David DEAKIN’s wife Mary Ann JONES through her sister Phoebe Maria JONES; both sisters emigrated to the US (Mary Ann to Pittsburgh where she married David DEAKIN (sr) but also lived in Ohio; Phoebe and family to Chicago).
I only discovered the connection in April 2011 when someone sent me postcards that had been sent to Phoebe Maria on her 89th birthday signed by not only her known children and grandchildren but others claiming to be her sister, nieces, nephews -- and some whose relationships I have yet to decipher. (Follow-up US Census searches uncovered that DEAKIN was sometimes spelled as DEACON or even DAKIN.)
I uncovered several family trees on-line that included at least one DEAKIN (Harvey Richard Deakin had 2 wives). Eventually I uncovered a US-based DEAKIN descendant who provided more info. (She might have been the American that one of you had helped several years ago?)
1) If you are related to David DEAKIN or Mary Ann JONES, send me a “Personal Message” off the forum, so we can chat in private.
2) If you are related to Mary Ann JONES, also see my postings for Thomas P JONES in the “Glamorganshire Lookups”; Phoebe Maria Jones in the “Herefordshire Lookups”; and Benjamin Franklin JONES in the “US Lookups”
JONES (Glamorganshire, Herefordshire ENG; Lanarkshire SCOT; Illinois USA)
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Hi Chicago- Jones,
I love it when people distantly related get together.
Best of luck to you and aich with your research.
Trish :)