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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: ben2006 on Saturday 04 December 10 22:45 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find the migration of a man who lived in Lancashire and came to Canada via Boston about 1911-13. He wanted to go directly to Canada but no ships available so took one to Boston and then on to Canada . Would he show up as a traveller from England to Canada or England to Boston and where is the most likely port of leaving closest to Lancashire would it be ? I can't seem to track him down on Ancestry or findmypast and wondered if there was another place to look . His name was Herbert Hughes b 1884 and he was married but went alone before family came to Canada in 1914 to look for work
Gayle
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Hi,
Two in my family tree, who lived in Kent, emigrated to Canada and they sailed from Liverpool, Lancashire in 1895.
Have you looked at those listed just with an initial and not a first name?
Nanny Jan
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Can't help directly but suggest you read an ebook available over Ancestry, entitled 'Going to America' by Terry Coleman. This book provides some useful insight into transatlantic migration, although it concentrates on mid-19th century emigration. Chapter 12 might be of most interest to you because it mentions emigration to Canada.
Incidentally, he would almost certainly have left from Liverpool; most people who emigrated from Europe to North America went from there.
I'm a bit surprised he sailed for Boston. In earlier times I think the usual route was into New York, then up river to Albany, a short train journey then onto the Great Lakes... Maybe by 1910 there was an efficient railway system from Boston to the western provinces of Canada.
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Log on to this site-- Ancestors on Board at--http://www.ancestorsonboard.com/
I did a quick search and found-
HUGHES Herbert 1883 M 1912 Liverpool USA Philadelphia
The search results take you to Find my past.co.uk where you must buy credits to view the file.
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Ancestry have an image for this sailing, the SS Haverford, sailing from Liverpool, May 23rd 1912.
Hughes, Herbert, 29, M[ale], S[ingle], Warehouseman, British [nationality], English [race], [last address] England, Monton, [nearest relative] father, Mr. Hughes, Monton, Eccles, Manchester. [final destination] Pa, Phila.
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This Herbert fits except for the marital status, which is confirmed by the census a few weeks earlier, when he was a labourer.
Of course he may have been courting and sent for his intended when he got some cash together. They may have married in the USA or Canada.
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Thanks to everyones help , I have found what you did but Herbert was married and had 4 children when he left them behind to find work in Ottawa Canada , wife and children came to Ottawa in 1914
Family stories say that he went to Boston first because that was his only way to get to Canada ??? not sure about that story
Gayle
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There are no Herbert Hugheses showing in Lancashire in 1911 with 4 children. There is one, though, with three. He's in the West Derby district of Liverpool.
The youngest is 5 months old, so there is time to squeeze in another birth to fit in your timescale.
At least one of my relatives was pregnant when her husband moved to Canada - the child was given the middle name "Alberta", but sadly died before the family was reunited.
I've also found a John Herbert Hughes, who sailed on the SS Zeeland from Liverpool to Boston on April 11th 1911.
Hughes, John Herbert, 29, M[ale], S[ingle], grocery salesman?, [read} Yes, [write] Yes, British [nationality], English [race], [last address] England, Chester, [nearest relative] mother, Mrs. FA Hughes, 25 Beaconsfield St, Chester. [final destination] Man, Winnipeg
Still the problem of marital status, which again seems to be confirmed by the census.
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That is where Herbert is from , West Derby , since I do not have access to the 1911 census ... this is what I have ... sons Eric b Aug 1905 , daug. Marjorie b July 1908 , daughter Ena b Dec 1909 and son Edward b Sept 1911 . Herbert worked as an office clerk and in laundry . His wife Rose and the 4 children travelled to Quebec and then to Ottawa in Nov 1914 . Maybe since you have 1911 census , I have dates wrong as Ena would have been 14 months by birth date I have .
ON the immigration papers on Ancestry it looks as though Rose says something about 4 years but black line through it so I assumed that it meant Herbert had been away from home for 4 years and since Edward was b Sept 1911 then he could have left early 1911 , maybe that isn't what is on Ancestry then but we were always told that Herbert had left several years before he sent for family .
As for the nearest relative of John Herbert Hughes being Mrs FA Hughes ... wife was Rose and mother was Euphemia .
Thank you so much for trying to help me
Gayle
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Is Rose's maiden name McGregor by any chance?
Have you considered asking the moderators to move this thread to the Canadian board?
Susan
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yes it is Mcgregor and I didn't know that I could have it moved as this is my first time doing this . I have received lots of helpful info and not sure anything else would help.
why do you ask about Rose ?
Gayle
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Hi Gayle
I've sent you a PM (personal message). At the very top of the Welcome screen, you'll see "Welcome back, X, you have X message, X new." Just click on there to get the PM.
Welcome to Rootschat, by the way!! It's a great site.
Susan
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There is a Herbert Hughes, age 24, married, born England, destined for Montreal, PQ aboard the Empress of Britain which sailed from Liverpool to Quebec arriving September 5, 1911. His occupation was assistant cashier and he intended to pursue the same occupation in Canada.
You stated that he was an office clerk so assistant cashier might be close.
Susan
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A good partial match from the census is an Eric Herbert Hughes. He's the grandson of a widow McGregor. A woman called Rose is described as the widow's married daughter, but given the McGregor name in the original.
I'll PM the details
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Assuming the above is the right Eric and Rose, I've been looking for Herbert and the other children in 1911, but so far drawn a blank. I've searched half a dozen houses either side of the one I found in the hope of finding them with a neighbour, but I think they may be with a relative elsewhere.
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I do know that Eric Herbert Hughes is the son of Rose McGregor ( d/o Murray & Annie ) and Herbert Hughes as Eric died once he came to Canada and I have his death from ancestry and his burial proof . In Nov 1914 , Rose and her 4 children left England for Quebec . From my limited access to the census on findmypast , I found Marjory Hughes b 1908 in West Derby ( correct place ) but of course I don't know who she is with but maybe that is the one I am looking for
Thanks
Gayle
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I've sent you some information via PM.
Susan