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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Stoodly on Friday 03 December 10 09:20 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, just a reminder that Rod's episode will be on air this Sunday night on SBS at 7:30pm.
The Director Russell Vines and myself will be online on the SBS website for one hour after broadcast (EST) for chat.
We look forward to hearing your comments there and on this forum, and hope that you enjoy his family history story.
Regards
Diana
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I'm looking forward to it, Diana......
Dee :)
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Wouldn't miss WDYTYA -
I now have my OH intersted in watching it.
Looking forward to it.
Sarra :)
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Of course daylight saving beat me and I was unable to join the chat on the SBS site.
I really enjoyed the episode and it raised the issue of "nature vs nurture" which is always interesting - I don't think the debate will ever be settled.
I think there were some very common issues there - convicts, war service, infidelity and divorce, adoption - probably issues that almost all of us have in our family in some shape or form. It was great to see Rod enjoying his voyage of discovery and the story that unfolded.
I was left with some questions, like what happened to Rod's aunts, including Minnie and Julia - we only really heard about one aunt on the show - what was the original relationship between the Holgates and the Duttons, how did Holgate's life unfold after his wife left him, etc. Some but not all of these were answered by Diana on the SBS chat. I know there was only limited time in the show, but I am one who loves to know what happens to all the rellies as well as the central ones! ;D
I had the issues I usually have with these episodes, ie how easy research is made to look, how people meet the enquirer at every venue carrying relevant documents, etc - if only! Certainly, at the excellent archives I sometimes visit, the staff is minimal and only have time to give superficial help - certainly not to search out documents and sit down and explain them, and not to take people into the repository, as happened in this episode!
Still, well-done again, Diana and SBS - and if you can tell me what happened to those other rellies, I'll be very interested! :D
MarieC
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Had trouble tuning into SBS so missed the first 15 minutes ... :'(
Very enjoyable. But yet another 'celeb' who denies that an ancestor might have been a bad 'un (ie the Marsh convicted of murder- and not even his blood ancestor :-\).
However he did, rightly, question the character of his Holgate ancestor.
At least no waterworks this week and an interesting story, so I'm pleased. :)
unfortunately I am going away and will miss the next two episodes - Tina Arena and ?.
Diana, do you know if there is any way I will be able to view these after Christmas?
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I enjoy the program because I enjoy genealogical research but it is unreal the way that all the answers are available immediately.
The show didn't mention Daniel's first marriage in England before he was transported - information easily gleaned from several websited.
Obviously in the time available, we can only get a glimpse of small parts of the person's ancestry.
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Loved the show, sometimes the hour draws out but episodes like this could have flown through another hour or more.
Diana, I live in Perth so I try and stay away from the live chat and Rootschat so I get no spoilers but I did like you comment about the Geraldton flies on the live chat. When I saw Rod sitting on the hill being bothered by flies I was reminded about many trips I have made to country cemeteries and towns. Let me guess, it was filmed just over 12 months ago? I was actually at the same Geraldton cemetery this time last year and have never seen the flies so bad!
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very interesting, but did it ask more questions than it answered. what where duttons ancestors like? did amy holgate's ancestors have anything to do with how rod see's himself as turning out?
is it a coincidence, have a look for robert and amy's wedding on freebmd. then see what the other woman's names are. then look at the first 2 daughters they had. :o :o
perth
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. Let me guess, it was filmed just over 12 months ago? I was actually at the same Geraldton cemetery this time last year and have never seen the flies so bad!
We filmed in Geraldton in May this year.........but flies still bad!
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what where duttons ancestors like? did amy holgate's ancestors have anything to do with how rod see's himself as turning out?
Rod was actually not interested in finding out more about the Duttons :( but of course we did in our research but there is only so much that can be fitted into our set 52 mins!
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unfortunately I am going away and will miss the next two episodes - Tina Arena and ?.
Diana, do you know if there is any way I will be able to view these after Christmas?
Ruskie you should be able to watch each episode for a week afterwards on SBS website.
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unfortunately I am going away and will miss the next two episodes - Tina Arena and ?.
Diana, do you know if there is any way I will be able to view these after Christmas?
Ruskie you should be able to watch each episode for a week afterwards on SBS website.
Great, thanks Diana. I just hope I remember .... :)
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can you tell us if dutton came from oz or overseas. amy is pretty easy to follow
perth :)
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Loved the story.
Congratulations Rod on joining the throng of people learning just how hard life was back then. Oh how time has changed the way and the comfort of how we live.
The fact that his convict made good parallels my own convicts life which may just be an idea for a TV series ..... "British outcasts make good in Australia" ... Just don't forget to force it down the throats of the British public.
Loved the twist about the last convict ship.
Well Rod ..... The itch is there .... It won't be long before you go searching for the sent of the Dutton bloodline back into time ...... enjoy.
Old-Bonez
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Really enjoyed this one as Rod Marsh is a favourite of mine with his laid back attitude!
The only thing I would have like to have seen was a bit on his mother's side and the full family.
I must admit I took the names of each of them down and will try to look them up on the WA BMD site!
Kind regards
Bev
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Something I liked from the older series but I don't think they do much anymore (with the repeats on BBC Knowledge it is hard to tell the order anymore) is when the celeb goes back to family to tell the story. The two that stick out the most are Kim Cattrall and Julian Cleary.
In the Rod Marsh episode I would have liked to see Rod go back to that first cousin to see her reaction when she was told about the adultery and death of her Grandmother.
I know there are time restraints to every episode but sometimes the best part of watching and doing family research is seeing the response when people hear the stories.
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Yes it used to be that it was the celeb's parents who wanted to find out about a certain ancestor. I also liked seeing the reaction of the family when the findings were revealed.
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I did enjoy this episode of WDYTYA.
However I did have some sympathy for Robert W Holgate.
Seems James Dutton was a friend of Robert William Holgate -
If you click on the link to Trove - gives us more information - it's interesting reading.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q=amy++holgate
Sarra :)
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I looked it up and a Robert W Holgate died in Northam in 1920. If this was him, I wonder what happend to the 2 girls that he kept with him. I couldn't remember their names to see anything of them.
Kind regards
Bev
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Sorry, Robert W Holgate died in Northam in 1943. Ir was Amy Holgate who died in Geraldton in 1920. She must have been known as Amy Dutton, but the official certificate seems to be as Holgate (Geraldton regn no 78).
Bev
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Sarra
Yes, that divorce report does make interesting reading! ::)
MarieC
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War Service Records show that Robert also enlisted for WWII and his daughter Minnie (Mrs O'Connor ??) was listed as his next of kin.
Also found an interesting 'In Memoriam' on Trove where both the Dutton and Holgate families had inserted notices.
Obviously some of Robert's siblings also settled in WA - did they all come out together?
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The daughters' names were Minnie and Julia :)
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Hi Sarra,
For some reason I may have been doing something wrong and couldn't get to read the divorce thingy. I could only get the mention at the beginning!
What was it about?
Kind regards
Bev
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Hi Bev,
Just do a normal search for Amy Holgate and the various results will come up. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=amy%20holgate
Debra :D
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War Service Records show that Robert also enlisted for WWII
Yes he was 54 years 7 months old - never too old it seems.
You have to admire him.
Sarra
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can you tell us if dutton came from oz or overseas. amy is pretty easy to follow
perth :)
Apologies for the delay in responding to some of these posts.............I am currently in the UK with a dodgy internet connection and without all Rod's research to hand. But can tell you that John "Jack" Dutton and his wife Mary emigrated to Western Australia. Hope this helps :)
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Really enjoyed this one as Rod Marsh is a favourite of mine with his laid back attitude!
The only thing I would have like to have seen was a bit on his mother's side and the full family.
I must admit I took the names of each of them down and will try to look them up on the WA BMD site!
Kind regards
Bev
Hi Bev, we did do extensive research into Rod's maternal line and tried to crack a tantilsing myth that Rod is related to Dr David Livingstone on this side but at the end of the day his paternal stories were more interesting and provable through documents. Please know that we do give the celebs a full research download both on the road and in a book form at the end of their journeys...............so they do have this information to take home with them.
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In the Rod Marsh episode I would have liked to see Rod go back to that first cousin to see her reaction when she was told about the adultery and death of her Grandmother.
I know there are time restraints to every episode but sometimes the best part of watching and doing family research is seeing the response when people hear the stories.
Hi Thornett, we had time restrictions with filming with Rod, but we did arrange for cousin Gail (who appeared in the film) to be united with cousin Nola, baby Amy's daughter and her siblings , off camera, to explore and discuss Amy and Jack's story :)
I believe it was a great catchup.
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I suppose we must keep in mind that many people would not want to appear on camera especially if the "story" hits a raw nerve or two. So to the viewer it might look like there are some loose ends to tie up, whereas there are things happening behind the scenes off camera that we aren't aware of. So your explanations are really helpful thanks Diana. :)
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does anyone else fail to see how daniel marsh had much to do with how rod turned out? if we had seen how his son who adopted rods father was and how rods father was brought up maybe i could have made the connection. showing a story on daniel just because he was interesting seems to miss the whole point of wdytya in my opinion.
are sbs laying down the law about the prog taking a diff direction to suit the market. ie tell us what's coming up at the start and just pick an interesting story whatever its about.
i notice the original uk prog doesnt feel the need to do this.
perth
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does anyone else fail to see how daniel marsh had much to do with how rod turned out? if we had seen how his son who adopted rods father was and how rods father was brought up maybe i could have made the connection. showing a story on daniel just because he was interesting seems to miss the whole point of wdytya in my opinion.
perth
Good point Perth. I think it was the argument about "nature" vs "nurture", however by taking that a generation further back makes any "nurture" argument even more tenuous.
I suppose if Daniel had been a huge influence on son and adopted gransdon it may be relevant ....
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thanks ruskie :) :) :)
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Excellent show. What an interesting story it was. Would love to know what happened to the 2 older girls.
Looking forward to the rest of the series
SunshineOz :)
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Hi all, just to remind you that Tina Arena's "Who Do You Think You Are?" is on tonight on SBS at 7:30pm.
Regards
Diana
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Hi
I live in the uk, is there anyway i could see this episode as Amy is one of my relatives.
Amy sister Louisa is my father in laws grandmother and is also my gt grandmothers cousin.
i would love to watch it and im sure my father in law would like to
Weenie
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Curses! Missed the Tina Arena one tonight! ... should I be able to see it online (in Oz)?
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Curses! Missed the Tina Arena one tonight! ... should I be able to see it online (in Oz)?
Hi Deb, it will shortly been downloadable on the SBS website for Australian viewers (only).
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Thanks - just found it and watched - loved it! :)
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Weenie,
I suspect you are "geoblocked" and unless one of your TV stations there picks up the series, the only way you will see it is to buy the DVD (which I'm sure will be released when the series is over!)
MarieC
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Just found Robert Holgate's death notice in "Family Notices." The West Australian, 15 Mar 1943.
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Hi Hi
I live in the uk, is there anyway i could see this episode as Amy is one of my relatives.
Amy sister Louisa is my father in laws grandmother and is also my gt grandmothers cousin.
i would love to watch it and im sure my father in law would like to
Weenie
Hi
I live in the uk, is there anyway i could see this episode as Amy is one of my relatives.
Amy sister Louisa is my father in laws grandmother and is also my gt grandmothers cousin.
i would love to watch it and im sure my father in law would like to
Weenie
I live in the uk, is there anyway i could see this episode as Amy is one of my relatives.
Amy sister Louisa is my father in laws grandmother and is also my gt grandmothers cousin.
i would love to watch it and im sure my father in law would like to
Weenie
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hi i am new to this but i would like to be able to get a copy of the programme who do you think you are about rodney marsh. daniel marsh the convict was i believe my mother in laws grandmothers brother. My mother in law used to talk of her grandmother and how she had wondered what happened to him. i typed in his name one day last dec and was surprised to get this connection to rodney marsh so if anyone out there can help that would be great.
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hi i am new to this but i would like to be able to get a copy of the programme who do you think you are about rodney marsh. daniel marsh the convict was i believe my mother in laws grandmothers brother. My mother in law used to talk of her grandmother and how she had wondered what happened to him. i typed in his name one day last dec and was surprised to get this connection to rodney marsh so if anyone out there can help that would be great.
In Australia try the ABC shop http://shop.abc.net.au/browse/searchresult.asp?SearchID=7736608&SearchRefineID=14034303&KeyWord=who+do+you+think+
Other countries that share in the production of the show would also probably have places to buy it. Buying it from where you live would ensure the region code matches your DVD player.
Regards Rob
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Thanks for that have had a quick look but it seems i will have to wait till series 3 is released and then like you say i will have to take care that the dvd is compatible.
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Thanks for that have had a quick look but it seems i will have to wait till series 3 is released and then like you say i will have to take care that the dvd is compatible.
Contact them because I saw an advertisement just last night for the sale of the DVD and there was a brief clip of Rod Marsh featured. It won't hurt to ask if he is part of the Series 3 collection.
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ok will do. Do you mind me asking what is your connection with wedgewood and staffordshire . I am in uk and had a lot of family connections in staffordshire. My grandmother, who was one of a family of thirteen children, lived there.