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Title: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: moguemosey on Thursday 02 December 10 00:49 GMT (UK)

Hi

Looking for information on Ryan and Cardiff families of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island.

Michael Ryan of Mountainmuck / Lambstown, Killurin marries a Cardiff of Kisha Mill in 1870.

Michael Ryan and family are buried on Ladies Island; I do not know where the Cardiff’s are buried.

I attach a photo of the Ryan headstone on Ladies Island.

Below are links to the Census for Ryan / Cardiff in 1901 & Ryan in 1911.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001294941/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003610465/

Regards

Mogue.

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: culbaire on Thursday 02 December 10 13:05 GMT (UK)

Is the date of 1870 correct? eldest children are only 13 in 1901. culbaire

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: moguemosey on Thursday 02 December 10 21:31 GMT (UK)

Hi Culbaire

The children are from the 2nd marriage of Michael Ryan to Elizabeth Larkin of Bulgan, Glynn in 1887.

I have not found any children from the 1st marriage to Cardiff.

Have you a connection with any of the families or the area mentioned?

Regards

Mogue

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: adey on Friday 17 December 10 19:27 GMT (UK)

Hi my great grandfather Richard Cardiff was from Ladies Island, father also Richard and mother Catherine.

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: moguemosey on Sunday 19 December 10 02:40 GMT (UK)

Hi Adey

A Richard Cardiff from Ladies Island lived in Bulgan Glynn. I do not know if he was connected to Michael Ryan’s first wife Cardiff of Kisha.

Michael Ryan’s second wife was from Bulgan. I do not know if Richard Cardiff was any connection to her.

I think I have information somewhere in my files about Richard Cardiff working on ships and he came back to Bulgan from Wales with his wife? surname Jones?

Richard Cardiff died in 1956 aged 81 so born c.1875.

There are reports in the Irish Times of 13th & 14th of April 1956 on his death. These can be accessed free of charge in public libraries and schools in Ireland at:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/related-archives/irish-times/

Mogue

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: moguemosey on Saturday 25 December 10 22:32 GMT (UK)

Hi Adey,

I have found the newspaper cutting of the inquest of Richard Cardiff of Bulgan. It is from the Irish Times of 14th April 1956 p11.

I attach a copy of it. I was told he was from Ladies Island. I don’t know if this is of any use to you?

Mogue

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: adey on Sunday 26 December 10 12:45 GMT (UK)

Hi Mogue, this is very sad what an awful way to die but thanks for the info. I believe great grandfather Richard Cardiff was from Tacumshin and he settled in Wales where he died in 1934, his father was also Richard is on the 1911 Ireland census, so not sure who the other Richard Cardiff is but they could be related.
Adey

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: moguemosey on Sunday 26 December 10 15:11 GMT (UK)

Hi Adey

I have looked at the 1901 & 1911 Census for Richard Cardiff, there are not many.

In 1901 there are 3.

In Walshestown. born c.1876.
In North Main Street, Wexford. Born c.1884.
In Tacumshin. born c. 1838

In 1911 there are 2.

In Walshestown born c.1876
In Tacumshin born c. 1837

Which of these is your Richard Cardiff?
Which is the Bulgan Glynn Richard Cardiff?

There is a Julia Cardiff with a Brady Uncle in Bulgan Glynn. This brings back a memory of an older resident of Bulgan telling me that Brady was from down Ladies Island way, also Kavanagh of Bulgan from Ladies Island.

I don’t know if any of this ties in with your Cardiff or if it is of any use to you?

Regards
Mogue

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: adey on Friday 31 December 10 16:50 GMT (UK)

Hi Richard Cardiff c 1837 is my great great grandfather and her married Catherine Rossiter. My great grandfather Richard Cardiff was born 1874 - If I remember correctly in the 1911 Census there was a daughter Catherine living with her dad Richard and one brother. I believe Richard Cardiff senior died c1912

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: moguemosey on Friday 31 December 10 21:35 GMT (UK)

Hi Adey,

It looks as if the Richard Cardiff in Bulgan could be the Richard Cardiff in Walshestown in 1901 and 1911.

Would the Richard Cardiff age 17 (born c.1884) of North Main Street in 1901 be your Great Grandfather, or maybe yet another Richard Cardiff?

Mogue

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: moguemosey on Wednesday 05 January 11 04:34 GMT (UK)

Hi Adey,

I have found more of my Ryan notes. I have a list of birth Civil Registrations from the District of Broadway for 7 births to Richard Cardiff and Catherine Rossiter from 1868 to 1882.

Addresses listed are Hilltown, Rathspillane, The Faythe, Tachumshane and finishing in The Faythe in 1882.

Richard born 2nd October 1874 in Rathspillane.

You probably already have these, but if not let me know and I will post them up.

Regards

Mogue

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: adey on Wednesday 05 January 11 19:05 GMT (UK)

Hi Mogue, apologies for not  replying earlier I have been one of the thousands struck with the flu!

You have hit the nail on the head with Richard and Catherine, if it is no trouble can you post up?
regards
A

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: moguemosey on Thursday 06 January 11 23:51 GMT (UK)

Hi Adey

Following are a list of children born to Richard Cardiff and Catherine Rossiter from the Registration district of Broadway.

16.1.1868 Laurence Cardiff at Hilltown. Present at birth Richard Cardiff father, Hilltown, Labourer.

13.2.1870 William Cardiff, at Rathspillane. PAB Richard Cardiff father, Rathspillane, Labourer

31.3.1872 Thomas Cardiff, at Rathspillane. PAB Richard Cardiff father, Rathspillane, Labourer

2.10.1874 Richard Cardiff, at Rathspillane, PAB Richard Cardiff father, Rathspillane, Labourer.

22.5.1877 Bridget Cardiff, at Faythe, PAB Richard Cardiff father, Faythe, Labourer

12.8.1879 Johanna Bridget Cardiff, at Tacumshane, PAB Richard Cardiff father, Tacumshane, Labourer.

8.7.1882 Catherine Cardiff, at The Faythe, PAB Richard Cardiff father, The Faythe, Labourer.

I hope these are of help to you.

The Ryan family I am interested in were born in Kisha to Michael Ryan, a MILLER and Farmer, and Elizabeth Larkin.

Twins Annastasia and Bridget were born in 1888
Mary Kate in 1889
Catherine in 1890
Johanna in 1894
John James in 1896

Michael Ryan was just a Farmer in 1894 & 1896.

Regards
Mogue
 

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: adey on Friday 07 January 11 08:03 GMT (UK)

Many many thanks for this Mogue, this is brilliant

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: moguemosey on Friday 07 January 11 22:09 GMT (UK)

Hi Adey,

Your more than welcome, I hope they help you find more of your relatives.

Mogue

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: shellback on Saturday 08 January 11 22:25 GMT (UK)

I think I should point out that Faythe, mentioned above and The Faythe also above might not be the same place. Faythe, (Irish for Green or Playing field,) is in the Civil Parish of Tacumshin, Barony of Forth. It is in the area near Kisha and Ballyhit, whereas The Faythe is one of the oldest streets in Wexford Town, a good few miles from the Broadway district.

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: adey on Sunday 09 January 11 17:51 GMT (UK)

Hi, Tacumshin sounds ok, bearing in mind thats where my Richard Cardiff was born

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: shellback on Sunday 09 January 11 22:34 GMT (UK)

 I forgot to mention that there were also Cardiffs living in The Faythe area. They were a seafaring family . Perhaps they were someway related to you too.?

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: adey on Wednesday 12 January 11 17:15 GMT (UK)

HI Shell, would love some more info? I must have Cardiff relatives still in Wexford!
Thanks
A

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: Endeavor on Tuesday 22 February 11 18:49 GMT (UK)

I have heard the name Cardiff many times and do believe they were friends / cousins of my father from The Faythe.

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: adey on Wednesday 23 February 11 20:33 GMT (UK)

Hi any info would be grateful re Richard and Catherine Cardiff
Angela

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: dugansbrew on Tuesday 22 March 11 22:40 GMT (UK)

I have asked my mother about Cardiff and she thinks it might be Clifford who may have been cousins to the Murphys'

Title: Re: Ryan & Cardiff of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island
Post by: Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt. on Sunday 03 April 11 06:05 BST (UK)

Quote from: moguemosey on Thursday 02 December 10 00:49 GMT (UK)

Hi

Looking for information on Ryan and Cardiff families of Kisha Mill, Ballyhitt, Ladies Island.


Regards

Mogue.

Sir,
   It may interest you to know that your ancestors are actually from Ballyshite.  That is the original and correct spelling of the townland name. For some unknown reason HM's Ordnance Survey changed the  spelling to Balyhitt in the 1840s.
  Yours etc.
     Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt.