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Title: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: Meeps on Wednesday 01 December 10 20:44 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I am not having much success locating records for Patrick James who served in India in 1860 -1870. He was married to a Margaret James and they had a daughter called Henrietta James who was born in India. I can't find a birth record for Henrietta either.  Patrick was born in Armagh, Northern Ireland around 1841. Any help or assistance is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: janinez on Wednesday 01 December 10 21:24 GMT (UK)
Hi there

He is on the 1871 England Census, so is in England then - R.G. 10 / 970

Patrick James 30 b. Ireland - Soldier 2/16th
Margaret James 33 b. London, England
Henrietta James 2 b. West Indies

Living in Canterbury Barracks with other wives and soldiers.

Will scout around and see what else I can find  :)
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: janinez on Wednesday 01 December 10 21:57 GMT (UK)
In 1861 he is still in England

living 1st Battalion Infantry Reg. Shorncliffe Camp
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 01 December 10 22:47 GMT (UK)
Findmypast has 9 pages from his army records: 2nd battalion 16th foot
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: Meeps on Sunday 05 December 10 22:33 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much for your help with this! I am delighted to get this information. Now I just need to trace Henrietta's birth records in India.
Meeps.
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: Meeps on Monday 06 December 10 23:03 GMT (UK)
Ok, I have the military records for Patrick and it confirms Henrietta was born in West Indies in 1869. She herself had entered birth place as India on the 1901 census, so explains why I couldn't find anything.  Looking at where her father was stationed in 1869 it would suggest she was born in Barbados. How would I go about trying to locate her birth record, as nothing obvious is showing up on Findmypast etc.

Also on Patrick's record, there are remarks about him being named on regimental defaulters lists... can't make out the details. Are these records available elsewhere?

Thanks in advance for your help!
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 07 December 10 00:44 GMT (UK)
only thing i can see on FindMyPast IS

GRO REGIMENTAL BIRTH INDICES SUPPLEMENT(1761 to 1924)1761 - 1924

HENRIETTA JAMES  no year given   Kingston vol 27 page 271
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: Eyesee on Tuesday 07 December 10 09:41 GMT (UK)
Are you sure it is India. Sometimes that is written as East Indies, but Henrietta is born in the West Indies according to 1871 census that janinez found.

If you look at http://www.bedfordregiment.org.uk/history/16thfoothistory.html the 2nd Battalion of the 16th Foot was raised in Ireland in 1858, and in 1866 was sent to the West Indies, and return home in 1869.

Ian C
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: Meeps on Tuesday 07 December 10 21:38 GMT (UK)
No I Believe that it was West Indies, but for some reason Henrietta has entered India on the 1901 and 1911 census forms. Could have been an error on her own part.

Looking at his service records he did serve in East India also, but based on her age (2) in 1871 and his details, they are based in Barbados in 1869. It's strange because all along the family had talked about connections to India. Still, I am very happy to have obtained the information found by everyone as it provides lots of background, so thanks again.
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: janinez on Tuesday 07 December 10 23:08 GMT (UK)
Hi guys, not sure if this is her or not as it is a census from St Croix, Virgin Islands, interesting her though as it also has a (in separate household) Isabella James.

Is St Croix the same as West Indies? Does say Danish West Indies (today known as US Virgin Islands)

In the household of Thomas Williams

ref: Rigskarviet, 1870 St Croix Census

Henrietta James 46 Chief, Washer b. St Croix, unmarried

living in 55 King St - 1911 Virgin Islands, US


Isabella James b. St Croix 80 widow







Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: Meeps on Wednesday 08 December 10 20:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your post, but based on Henrietta's DOB of1869, this wouldn't be her.  I will keep looking...and hopefully will turn something up!

On the plus side I have now found the marriage details for her mother and father (Nova Scotia) and a reference to a brother who I believe died in infancy. I think Henrietta's mother may have been a nurse in the British army, being stationed in Halifax when she married Patrick in 1864. Anyone have any ideas where I might follow-up on this?

Thxs Meeps
Title: Re: Patrick James - serving in India circa 1860 -1870
Post by: sdurx on Thursday 07 July 11 11:35 BST (UK)
Hi all,

All of this is fascinating to me - I'm fairly new to genealogy and have discovered that my great great grandmother Elizabeth was born in the West Indies (according to one census) or India (according to another). Her husband Lawrence Durkin was in the "Indian Army" according to a relative.

I've tried for ages to find out more but with no success. Would any of you be kind enough to have a glance through the records you mention above to see if anything matches the following information?

Lawrence Durkin was born in Ireland in ~1862, and was in the "Indian Army".
Elizabeth his wife was born in the West Indies/India depending on which census I look at, in ~1862.
By 1884 they had moved to Darwen in Lancashire, England, where they had their childen Henry (my great grandfather), Patrick, Bridget and Mary Ann.

If anyone could give me any advice or help finding out more about Lawrence and Elizabeth I would be extremely grateful!

Regards,

Sean Durkin.