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Title: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Nicola Norton on Tuesday 30 November 10 18:31 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I can't read the actual town or village for the Somerset address. It has been transcribed as Worth Laron, but I can't find this on a list of Somerset Parishes. If you want to see the actual census record it is:

HO107/1507/126 p 66.

Her name is Mary Wood - married to Christopher Wood (carpenter).

Thanks,
Nicola
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Dazey999 on Tuesday 30 November 10 19:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Nicola

It looks to me like something FARM.  North Farm?

dazey
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: esdel on Tuesday 30 November 10 19:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Nicola

It looks to me like something FARM.  North Farm?

dazey
yes its first letter is exactly the same letter as first letter of the line above.
So if you can read that - home and dry!

Is it an M?
esdel
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Dulaigh on Tuesday 30 November 10 19:38 GMT (UK)
Midgtroy farms...midgloy farms...wroth farm...nrath farm
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Dazey999 on Tuesday 30 November 10 20:10 GMT (UK)
Think the line above is probably Middx St James's?
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: california dreamin on Tuesday 30 November 10 22:49 GMT (UK)
Hi

I'm reading 1st line as:
???, Nr. James'

Second entry- something like:
Somerset
Wrath Farm

Not sure which Census year you have got the info from, but is it worth looking at any previous (or subsequent) Census records of these people to see what this place has been transcribed as in other years?
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Richard Knott on Tuesday 30 November 10 23:08 GMT (UK)
Not sure which Census year you have got the info from, but is it worth looking at any previous (or subsequent) Census records of these people to see what this place has been transcribed as in other years?

This is 1851. In 1861 and 1871 her place of birth is given as Somerset.

On her marriage certificate (1846) she is Mary Reid, daughter of Samuel, farmer.

Richard
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: PrueM on Wednesday 01 December 10 00:44 GMT (UK)
The first line is definitely "Middx, St James" so that's no help  :-\

I agree that it's "something" Farm.  North was the first thing I thought of, but I'm not convinced of that.
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Seoras on Wednesday 01 December 10 01:02 GMT (UK)
There is a village of Worth near Wells in Somerset.

George.
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Boydie on Wednesday 01 December 10 01:16 GMT (UK)
Think it is Somerset
                Smith Farm

Joan
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Nicola Norton on Wednesday 01 December 10 14:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all the help. I will try and find her father - Samuel and see if I can find what "farm" she was born at!
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Eleesavet on Wednesday 01 December 10 15:40 GMT (UK)
Could be Somerset, South Farm.

Liz
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Richard Knott on Wednesday 01 December 10 15:44 GMT (UK)
This London marriage caught my eye:

1845
John Tansley, carpenter, m Ezett Elizabeth Read d Samuel Read, farmer

1851 census
HO 107/2000/498/16
John Jones Tansley, 29, lic. victualler and carpenter
Ezett Tansley, 30, b Cucklington, Somerset

She died in 1858 so he has re-married by the 1861 census.

The co-incidences seem too high to ignore.

IGI
Children of Samuel and Hannah (nee Follett m 1810)
Mary 1811 Cucklington
George 1813 Cucklington
Sarah 1816 Milverton
Eliza 1819  Milverton

Lots of Cucklington Reads in the censuses. Certainly worth following up I would have thought.

Richard
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Twdyr on Wednesday 01 December 10 17:05 GMT (UK)
Could the first line,  be a phonetic spelling of 'Middlezoy' in Somerset?
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Seoras on Wednesday 01 December 10 17:32 GMT (UK)
Nicola is it possible to post an image with some more of the place names on for comparison.

George.
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Nicola Norton on Wednesday 01 December 10 19:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all for more information. I will follow up the marriage lead, as it does seem to be a good link.

Here is a copy of the original image:

* Moderator Comment: image cropped...only a portion of such images can be posted, due to copyright restrictions on the images *

Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Richard Knott on Wednesday 01 December 10 20:31 GMT (UK)
Although the second word appears to say 'Farm', it may be a mishearing of another word, so I wouldn't put too much weight by what you see. There is, for instance, the hamlet of Clapton-Forms in Cucklington - I don't think that is what it says, but it gives an indication of the sort of word that may have been transribed incorrectly as 'Farm', particularly if Mary gave the information and retained a West Country accent. It would also be unusual (but not unique) to name the farm, but not the village or town in Somerset, when so far away in London.

There are also countless possibilities for the first word. The end appears to be 'th' but actually it is almost identical to the end of 'little' a few lines higher up, so could well end in 'tle'.

If you haven't found it already, this 1841 entry looks the most likely:

Milverton
HO107/951/8
Samuel Reed, 60+, ag lab, Y
Hannah Reed, 45+, Y
Sarah Reed, 20+, Y
Eliza Reed, 20+, Y

Richard
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: esdel on Thursday 02 December 10 08:10 GMT (UK)
There IS a place called Worth Matravers in Somerset

So any farm near there could be "Worth Farm" ::)
Title: Re: Help reading 1851 census birth place
Post by: Eleesavet on Thursday 02 December 10 13:51 GMT (UK)
If South Farm, Somerset.

If you google "Axbridge Registration District, 1891 Census Street Index S-T", you will see the web page which will take you to National Archives wiki.  Listed under the Index is a South Farm.  (Axbridge is in Somerset.)

Also there is a 19th century former farm house in Axbridge called South View Farm.  Google "History of South View Farm, Somerset", and then go into Somerset Real Estate Property Listings, there you will find detailed information on this farm.

Neither may be right but worth a look just in case.

Liz