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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: Billycourty on Monday 29 November 10 07:39 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone, i have restarted researching my tree after great disappointment in 2009 when i discovered three close branches of my tree would never be know to me!
Onward and upward though.
I found royalty in my family but i won't believe it just yet! So i need your super minds.
Dorcas Stevens (1610-1641) is meant to have married my relation Joesph Dancer (1610-1641)
Dorcas was born 18 Nov 1610 Quainton, Buckinghamshire, England
Joesph Dancer was born13 Nov 1610 Risborough, Buckinghamshire, , England
Dorcas Stevens is meant to be the daughter of Nicholas STEVENS B: 24 Apr 1563 Grandborough, Warwickshire, , England D:1610 England.
This line of Stevens leads back into supposedly royalty but i can't find how people (other family trees on Ancestry.com.uk) have linked Dorcas and Joesph Dancer.
I bow down to your brains!!
Thankyou from the bottom of my heart
Jaymee
, , , England
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Hello Jaymee
Ancestry trees can be notoriously unreliable.Stevens is a common name & easy to hammer in if you want it to.
I read somewhere that today there are 10,000 people in the UK who can trace their lineage back to William the Conquerer.That figure reduces drastically as you progress through history if it's true.
I would think that somewhere already you would have found a titled ancestor that would lead to a royal line,if you haven't I would be extremely sceptical about what you've found.
My advise would be to start with the last known fact & work back from there using your own research or getting others on here to help you achieve that.
Alternatively you could contact one of the tree owners & ask them where their information came from but don't be surprised if they tell you they got it from someone else who got it from someone else etc. etc.
jim
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Yeah thats why i don't trust this royal link, it doesn't match my family at all!
So just thought i would post and see if anyone has any ideas on how to sleuth out this marriage.
Thanks for your advice
Jay
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I am concerned that someone has identified the wrong Grandborough. The location of all the other family members in Buckinghamshire would make the Grandborough in the same area of Buckinghamshire much more likely.
I have marriages into my family of Stevens(Stephens) in that area in the early 18th century.
David
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Familysearch Pilot has this;
Marriage;
Dorcas STEPHENS
Joseph DANCER, 28 January 1638, Monks Risborough, Buckinghamshire
Trish :)
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ANNE Steavens, Christened 31 May 1607, Quainton, Buckingham, England
DORCAS Steevens, Christened 18 November 1610, Quainton, Buckingham, England
Both with Father NICHOLAS
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NYCHOLAS Stevens, Christened 12 April 1563, Grandborough, Buckinghamshire
Father WILLM (William)
There is also one in Cheddington, Bucks, 20 Sept 1562, No Father noted.
These Births are in Cheddington to a Nicholas;
THOMAS 1594
BARNARD 16 July 1597
ELIZABETH 16 October 1600
So there is more than one Nicholas around in Bucks 1560-1600
The only Death I can find for a Nicholas Stevens around 1610 is;
Burial 25 January 1610, Borden, Kent
Everything I have posted is on Familysearch Pilot.
Trish :)
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Hi Thanks!
Can you explain what family research pilot is? I have never heard of it?
I am pretty knew to this stuff!
Is it a reliable resource (like the census) or put together by other researchers like ourselves?
Thanks very much!!
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Hi Jay ;D
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
Now are you descended from MATH Dancer (Mathew I presume) Son of Joseph Dancer Christened 25 July 1641, Monks Risborough, Bucks?
There seems to be are SARAH 1648 also born to a Joseph.
It is pretty hard to search backwards without knowing a bit about those born later!
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Sorry I didnt answer your question. Yes, Familysearch Pilot and the IGI at Familysearch are very reliable as they are transcribed/extracted from Original Parish Registers.
The IGI also has submitted entries by Family researchers that are just often a guess. These are submitted not extracted records.
When you are getting back that far entries are sometimes hard to decypher though.
Trish :)
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Thankyou for explaining!
Yes i am supposedly descended from Mathew (Matthew) Dancer who is the son of Joesph who supposedly married Dorcas Stevens who would then be Mathew's mother.
Mathew (the son) born 1668-1701 married to Elizabeth Sherwood. In the tree i have Joesph Dancer listed as his father and Matthew Dancer (b 1588) listed as his grandfather.
My tree goes like this:
My GGparents are Reuben Pizzey and Mary Ann timberlake 1852-1917
It is on the Timberlake side we run into the Dancers
we have James Timberlake 1821-1884
His father James Timberlake 1796-1861
His father Mathew Timberlake 1755-1796
His father Thomas Timberlake 1732-1759
His father William Timberlake 1695-1775 who is the one who marries Mary Dancer b. 30 Jul 1696 Monks, Buckinghamshire, , Englad d. 1780 Saunderton, Buckinghamshire, , England
Mary's father is Mathew Dancer b. 1668,13 Nov Risborough, Buckinghamshire, , England d.1701 married to Ellizabeth Sherwood b. 1670
With Joesph |dancer and Dorcas Stevens as parents maybe?
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A more accurate Dancer family tree has been carried out using 50 years worth of good old research by Michael Dancer. His link can be found here(Though, please quote his name if you use the info at all:
https://alvecote.net/dancer-family-history-2/
I do have Dorcas and Joseph on my tree too. Do they lead to royalty? I haven't found any definite links yet although they were land owners. There has been yeoman, husbandman and gents found and there is a William Dancer esq, though how he fits, I'm not sure yet.
Hope this helps. :)