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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: grouty on Sunday 28 November 10 21:59 GMT (UK)
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My husband's Ade family have been in Wilmington, Alfriston Rodmell, Lewes areas of East Sussex since about 1400. Just wondering if there are any other Ade descendants out there that I have not been in contact with. My husband's family are descended from Charles Ade who used to live at Milton Court Farm, Wilmington.
Charles, Gregory, John, Catherine and Thomas are the christian names that have been used many times in the Ade family.
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Genes Reunited have over 200 'Ade' entries for Wilmington (1682-1898) 78 entries for Alfriston (1720-1816) and 8 for Rodmell (1628-1741). There may be some amongst those that you have yet to contact.
Roy G
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Grouty
St John Sub Castro in Lewes has several Ade and variant baptisms and burials:
Baptisms
1735 Nov 7 Ade William Britton m Stephen Elizabeth
1737 Mar 20 Ade Jane f Stephen Elizabeth OTP
1742 May 1 Ade John m Stephen Elizabeth
1761 Sep 10 Ade John m John Mary
1815 Aug 20 Ade George Frederick m George Elizabeth OTP Servant
1824 Aug 15 Ade Mary Ann f George Mary Ann OTP Servant
1828 May 25 Ade Julia f Frances OTP Servant
1843 Apr 2 Ade George Stapley m s Stapley Caroline North St Painter
1733 Mar 7 Aide Elizabeth f Stephen Elizabeth
Burials
1739 May 20 Ade Jane f Jane d Stephen & Elizabeth
1742 January 31 Ade John m John s Stephen & Eliz:
1745 June 30 Ade Thomas m Thomas s Stephen & Elizth
1759 September 26 Ade Elisebeth f elisebeth the widow of Stephen, under ye South Window
1781 January 14 Ade Mary f Mary, wife of John.
1795 December 13 Ade Mary f Wife of John Junr 637
1752 December 24 Ade Stephen m Stephen, Under the South Window
1828 September 21 Ade Julia f 0.5 OTP
1819 December 16 Ade Mary f 83
1825 October 9 Ade Mary f 1.2
1812 February 7 Ade Samuel m 56 620
1853 January 23 Ade Sarah f 75 Wife, Married North St Newick
1860 January 16 Ade Sarah f 46 All Saints Daughter, Unmarried North St Lewes
1855 January 28 Ade Stapley m 84 Husband, Married Navigators Clerk North St Lewes
1806 August 15 Ade William m 21 620
1830 January 27 Ade William Edwin m 0.9
1782 February 15 Ade William Britten m William Britten, of St Michaels.
Chris in 1066
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Grouty
Sorry, forgot to mention that if any of those are your ancestors, then there are two Headstones that have i have transcribed and photographed
Copies available if you require
Chris in 1066
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Hello,
Does anyone recognise a John ADE, born c1832, who was transported to Australia in 1849? He may have been the son of Maria ADE of Brightelmstone, but this is unproven.
He was "posted" to Muswellbrook in New South Wales after arrival in Australia and from that point onwards there is no trace. My interest lies in research for a PhD as a mature student on Parkhurst Prison 1838-1864 and the reformation of juvenile offenders.
Thank you for your help
Tony Cocks
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The index to the 1841 census lists a John Ade (b c1832) in the Kemp Town district of Brighton. The same census index also lists a Maria Ade (b c 1811) in the same district. You need someone that has access to the 1841 census itself to see if these two appear together and there is a match.
Roy G
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Hi Tony
Here is the 1841 entry, no sign of John after this census so looks a good match
George St Brighthelmstone
Maria Ade 30 Baker
William do 11
John do 9
Henry do 7
Maria do 6
Ann do 5
Eliza do 3
Lucy do 1
All born in county except Maria senior
HO107/1123/1/18 Pg27
Jan ;)
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Hello Roy and Jan,
Thank you for responding and "confirming" my feelings that I had found the correct John ADE and family background in 1841.
Eight years later he is 12,000 miles away down under and completely vanished.......despite my advertising through various on-line listings RootsWeb etc. nothing concrete, except his last sighting was at Musswellbrook north of Sydney in 1849.
For now
Tony
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Looking at the records, it is possible that John may have been brought up in Brighton, but not born there. The 1851 census for his elder siblings and IGI records suggest you should be looking at Hastings. Only his youngest sister Lucy appears to have been born in Brighton.
William, John, Maria & Ann all look to have been baptised in the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel in Hastings as the children of William Ade and Maria nee Cox.
The IGI records John's full name as John Wesley Ade, born 10th Feb 1832, baptised Hastings 11 March 1832.
The 1840 Brighton Street directory lists
BOOT AND SHOE MAKERS. Ade William, 27 George st, an address which would seem to tie in with the 1841 census
There also numerous shoemaking apprentice indentures under that name in the National Archives Index, several mentioning Brighton & Hastings.
The National Archives also state that on 1846 Sept, ADE John, 14, labourer of Brighton was sentenced to Transportation for 7yrs. Ref: QR/918 - 1846 Sept
Perhaps the local papers for September 1846 can tell you what his crime was.
Dont know whether Maria was a widow by 1841 but a William Ade died in Marylebone in that year and then some of the children turn up in that area in 1851.
Roy G
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Thank you Roy,
Very interesting details that help give background which I have applied to the "Family Trees" on Ancestry in the hope that there may ancestors searching. Sadly, nothing.
I have all his information for Parkhurst Prison, eventual transportation on the convict ship "Randolph" and arrival in NSW, but there his story ends......!!!
For the moment
Tony
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I have occasionally found names get a bit changed.
But I suppose you've also looked for him under things like Aid, Adey & Addy?
Having looked again at the Brighton deaths, they may help explain why no one else seemed to tie to John's family, for it is possible that several siblings had died by 1846 when he was arrested.
Deaths 1843 ADE Maria (mother or sister?) Brighton
Deaths 1844 ADE Ann (sister?) Brighton
Deaths 1846 Ade Lucy (sister?) Brighton
Deaths 1855 Ade Maria (mother or sister?) Brighton
If most of the above were his family, why did they die and was John placed in the parish workhouse in Dyke Road?
Genes Reunited has someone that possibly ties in with John's sibling, Eliza Ade of Brighton. Their Eliza Ade married in 1857 to a George Slater and had daughters called Maria & Lucy, the names of her two possible deceased sisters. The birth year the GR subscriber has given for Eliza is 1839, but there is not a FreeBMD entry that matches this and the censuses suggest she could have been born up to 2 years earlier. If they are connected, in 1861 they are living at 25 Blackman Street, Brighton with 3 y.o. Maria A and 7 m.o. Lucy. In the 1971 census 33 y.o. George is a painter living at 13 Marshall's Row, with 32 y.o. Eliza a laundress and in 1881 they are living at 7 Wakefield Rd Brighton.
By the way. I now think the Marylebone connection was just a coincidence that could have led to a false trail.
Roy G
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I have some info on James Ade of Barcombe - son of Durrant Ade - if you are interested!
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To: Mangrovian I would be very interested in the info you have on James Ade of Barcombe, I can see if he is mentioned on a large family tree we have. Thank you.
My ultimate aim is to find out how the grandfather of George Ade(famous American Writer) who was a John Ade who married an Esther Wood(in Lewes) is connected to our family tree.
Will post dates later.
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Hi Grouty,
Can you give some dates for the Charles Ade of Milton Court Farm? I have a few Ades in my tree:
Charles Ade (1756-1820; buried Wilmington) m Elizabeth Bodle
Elizabeth Bodle was my gggg great-aunt
Elizabeth Ade (b 1715?, d 1743) m John Bodle.
Elibath and John were my gggggg great grandparents
Frances Ade (b 1824 in Teddington, M'sex?; d 1890 in Eastbourne District) m William Edward Roods
William Edward Roods was my 2nd cousin 5 times removed.
Do you have details on any of the above?
Regards
Mark
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Hi Mark, The Charles Ade and Elizabeth Bodle you mention were the parents of Charles Ade(Baptised 1870) (who married a Catherine Pocock) of Milton Court Farm. This Charles Ade was my husband's g g grandfather.
Not all the daughters of the Ade families were followed up on the family trees we have, but do some more searching later.
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hi tony
i understand you are familiar with the parkhurst lads on the simon taylor
my ancestor was james mortimer. we have found his old bailey trial and many other records (his marriage certificate lists his father as james thomas mortimer, lawyer) but we are unable to determine his parentage.
would you have any idea how to go further?
thanks
jennie
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Hello Jennie,
Be delighted to help you.
I have a Biography for James MORTIMER which I completed with the help of his Great Grandson, Kevin Mortimer, in February 2005. There is quite a substantial amount of detail, though little about his life prior to transportation, partly because he was already imprisoned before the 1841 England Census.
Do please let me have your email address so that I can send you my manuscript and, if you wish, a note of Kevin's email address too, although this is now 5 years ago. My address is:
Sorry, e-mail address removed as per rootschat policy - please use the private message facility. - Global Moderator
For the moment,
Tony
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hi tony
i have recently made contact with kevin as i am photographing all 19 graves of JTM's grandchildren (one is my grandmother mary maude burrows nee mortimer). however i havent asked him much detail and he is 87 so im hoping you can help.
yes the 1841 issue is the sticking point. he was convicted for fraud (obtaining 3 sovereigns by false pretences) at central criminal courts 17/9/1838 aged 14, making him born 1824 or 1825. he was from lewisham at that time (tho apparently also of lambeth). he was an errand boy and trained as a tailor in parkhurst (at hulk euryalus prior to parkhurst). said (on his marriage certificate) his father was also jtm and was a lawyer, but told his apprenticeship employer his name was john.
the pallot marriage indexhas 14 marriages for james mortimer (father) between 1790 and 1834.
its the parentage im trying to pursue.
roots chat doesnt want you to give your email.
mine is jenniedotburrowsatkidsdotnswdotgovdotau
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Hello Jennie,
I have sent you a Personal Message with my email address.
The major difficulty in trying to uncover his parentage is the fact he was imprisoned before the 1841 England Census and therefore there is no direct linkage to research. Certainly he appears on the Parkhurst Prison Census Return but that only shows the most meagre details, name, age and little else. I shall use the extra pieces of family knowledge you quoted and see whether or not that produces results.
Otherwise I shall send you a copy of my Biography for him, with all Kevin Mortimer's input, and ask you to edit the manuscript.
For now
Tony
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Hello - is this "J"? I am researching Ade family back to Gregorye Ade in Kingston-Near-Lewes Sussex around 1540.
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sorry honora - not related
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Hi Honora
Welcome to Rootschat :D
This Ade family thread seems to have gone off on a tangent, but hopefully someone who is related to the Ade family will be back shortly. Meanwhile if you want any specific help post your query here or on a new thread as appropriate.
Jan ;)
Oh and welcome 'looking for james' as well :D
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yes sorry about the tangent - was trying to get hold of tony about the parkhurst lads and saw that he was on this thread
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Hi Tony
I noticed you have information on James Mortimer, a Pankhurst boy. I would appreciate any information you might have as I am related through Molly Burrows.
Regards
Gavin
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Hello Gavin,
Certainly I shall be more than delighted to send you a copy of my work for James MORTIMER.
However, I require your email address, via the Personal Message outlet. But you need to have completed 2 or 3 posts before this can be done. I suggest you post 2 or 3 more messages , just saying "Hello", for instance, and then you can use a Personal Message to confirm your email address.
Hopefully this makes sense ::)
Tony
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This is a bit too late for your thesis. I think John Wesley Ade became John Wesley Ade Thomas in New South Wales. He was a shoemaker and may have been employed by his future brother in law George Bramer (also a shoemaker). He married as John Thomas to (H)Esther Jane Head in 1855 in Maitland. They had three children (Sarah Jane, William Henry & Maria) who would provide him with 21 grandchildren. By the 1870s the family had moved to the Sydney inner-city area and they were an urban family. He married again late in life and died in 1912 [THOMAS.—July 8, 1912, at his residence, Dora, Ocean-street, West Kogarah, John Wesley A., dearly beloved husband of Mrs. Amelia Ellen Thomas, aged 80 years.]. He is buried as John Wesley Ade in Woronora Cemetery, Sydney. In 1896 he applied for a patent for an invention relating to tobacco. The Sussex Advertiser states that his crime was stealing one jar of strawberry jam worth 1 shilling.
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Hello poppyg,
"Better late than never" would be very appropriate, but the details are extremely welcome. Thank you.
My research into Parkhurst Prison 1838-1864 and the "Parkhurst Boys" continues, now as a retirement "hobby". Creating biographies for them is a matter of constant updating with the accompanying constant increase of new material on-line. My research of John ADE, however, ended with his Ticket of Leave to the Muswellbbrook District in late 1849, so your information is a case in point.
I will certainly amend the narrative I hold but, if possible, could you let me have any citations for the details you provided. They would be helpful.
For the moment and, once again, thank you.
Tony