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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: gaisgeach on Sunday 28 November 10 01:16 GMT (UK)
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I picked up my gggrandmother on both the 1901/1911 census. Her name was Mary Murray. Her son Daniel was killed in Stephens Green in 1916. Family history has it that she married a Scot who was obviously not around in 1901 or 1911. I dont know his name and could only guess that it would be a popular family name. Any help on this one?
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If you have Daniel's age and county of birth from the censuses, have you looked for his birth certificate? That should give you his father's name, assuming his parents were married. Or did Daniel marry? His marriage cert would usually have the father's name too.
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Thank you Elwyn. Daniel was engaged to marry when he was killed. I believe that his father did marry as family history says that he changed his religion to marry. He was from Scotland and moved to dublin. I would love to find out where in Scotland as i'm living here myself now.
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I can see what I think might be Daniel’s birth on the LDS pilot site:
Daniel Joseph Murray b Oct – Dec 1882 Dublin South Vol 2 page 646
I think I can see him and his siblings in the censuses, with widowed Mary. If I am right, he had a brother Stephen whose birth appears to be Dub North 1877 Vol 2 p 659. Sister Martha might be Dub N 1874 Vol 17 p 584. Some of the other siblings are not so obvious due to names being more common.
You can order photocopies of these birth certs from GRO in Roscommon. It’ll cost you €4 for each. www.groireland.ie/ Assuming I have identified the correct events (and you should know that from the mothers name and the addresses etc) you’ll get the elusive father’s name.
Mary Murray was b c 1843 so there’s a chance that her marriage predates the start of stat marriages in Ireland (1864) in which case you should check the parish records for her church to see if you can trace the marriage that way.
I think you should be able to find Daniel’s fathers name. Your real problem may be tracing where he came from in Scotland, especially if you don’t have his father’s name, which may be the case if the marriage was pre 1864.
Elwyn
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IGI has a Stephen Murray born 26 Dec.1876 Dublin (parents George Murray and Mary Golding).
Also a Martha Murray born 18 Nov.1874 Dublin North (parents George Murray and Mary Golden).
Other children are Thomas Christopher (1867), Anne (1871), Maria Theresa (1873), George (1881)- see www.familysearch.org
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George Murray married Mary Golding Dublin S 1866 Vol 2 p 881. That should give you his father's name, which may help you take the research back in Scotland. (If he was Scottish, which you haven't yet established!).
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George Murray son of Thomas and Mary Golding daughter of Daniel- marriage 12 Feb.1866 St. Andrew's R.C. Church, Dublin here- http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ (also baptisms of children).
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Thanks again.
There is no doubt that this is the family. I've looked at the site which is amazing and opened up another can of worms. Who are the Goldings? sounds like a Jewish name but obviously Catholic in the records.
Noticed that there were no Murrays as witnesses for the marriage of George Murray and Mary Golding. Is there any way of finding George's age. I can then begin a search here in Scotland, as i now have his fathers name, Thomas.
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It's not uncommon to find variations in surnames- Golding and Golden are just that.
If George Murray died in Ireland he should be listed in civil registration index-
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347
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I can't get on that website. I'll try google some graveyards.
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You can try the newer LDS Beta Site but many of us find it more difficult to use.
https://beta.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records
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Goldings have been around in Dublin since the arrival of the Normans.
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I can see a couple of George Murray deaths that would possibly fit. One was GM b 1844 whose death was regd 1892 Apr - June 1892, Dublin South Vol 2 p 627. The other was b 1836, death Jan - Mar 1896, Dublin S, Vol 2 p 495.
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Elwyn,
Does the info say where he was buried, born or what he died of. I'll go on both of those to check Scottish census with the knowledge that his father was Thomas. Thanks again to you both.
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Irish death certificates don't list place of burial or birthplace but cause of death would be on the certificate. See here for details included on death certificaites and how to order them-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html
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How can i be sure that either of these Georges are Mary Golding's husband? Will her name be on the cert.
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Certificate will give status (single/bachelor, married, divorced) and name and address (and sometimes relationship) of the informant. There's no way to tell what is on the certificate and which, if any, are for the correct person. One thing which might confirm it is the address of the deceased.
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The occupation of the deceased is usually included on death certs, which can help confirm that you have the correct person if you have other documentation which shows this to compare against- e.g. marriage cert, birth certs for children etc
Shane
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Have found a George Murray on the Scottish Census 1851 in Tundergarth,Dumfries. He was born in 1844 and his father's name was Thomas.