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Does anyone know if there is a biography of him online? I have found the Dublin marriages of his daughters on the Irish Genealogy site and a brief mention of his 1890 death in Dublin. The news item of his death was dated Dec. 6,1890 stating he had died "last week". I'd like to know more about him, who he married, where he was born etc., his family background more than his political. His 3 daughters were married at St Andrews Church but I couldn't identify any marriage record for him. He lived on Fitzwilliam Street in the 1860s until his death in 1890 and was the Lord Mayor in the mid 1860s. He interests me because he was a cousin of the priest who was my grandmother's family priest for many years in New York. He was Rev. James Hourigan from Tipperary. He lived with William Carroll for a few weeks in 1841 in Dublin before leaving for New York. If I can't access a biography online what might my other sources be? Thank you.
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Dana D
Sir William Carrollwas Lord Mayor of Dublin in 1868 and 1869.
From my source work on the Irish Times newspaper I give the following items:
For the edition of 25th February 1870 there is a reference to a Miss Carroll and Lady Carroll on Page 6
On the 15th March 1870 there is a reference to Sir William Carroll in an advert on Page 1.
T he marriage of John S. (son of Sir William Carroll ) is mentioned on Page 8 of the edition of 5th May 1870.
Regards Quaxer
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Quaxer,
Thank you for your response and mentioning the Irish Times Archives as your source. I had not thought of this as a source and look forward to adding this to my research. Although my humble Irish ancestors had a very indirect connection to this William Carroll he caught my attention because he had held the Dublin office first held by Daniel O'Connell and this made an impression on me knowing that he was a cousin of the priest who cared for 3 generations of my grandmother's family. Thank you for the time you took to find this additional information about him.
Dana
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Dana
Thanks for your recent.
I forgot to give his Dublin address which was No.33 Upper Fitzwilliam Street Dublin.
Regards Quaxer
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a few additional details on William from various directories :
1868
Corporation of Dublin City
Lord Mayor : The Right Hon. William Carroll, M.D., Mansion House, Dawson Street
Secretary to the Lord Mayor : John S. Carroll esq., 33 Upr Fitzwilliam St & Mansion Hse
Chaplain : Rev. Mr. Russell
He is also listed as one of three Councillors listed for the Royal Exchange Ward of the city with addresses at 33 Upr Fitzwilliam St. and Woodlawn, Ballinteer, Dundrum. Ballinteer is in South County Dublin and to the south of Dundrum. The Lord Mayor was elected yearly from the councillors and aldermen of the city.
1872
Mayor - Rt. Hon. Robert Garde Durdin
Cllr. (Royal Ex. Wrd) - Sir Wm. Carroll M.D. J.P., 33 Upr Fitzwilliam St & Woodlawn
1879 & 1880
Mayor : Rt. Hon. Sir John Barrington
Cllr. (Royal Ex. Wrd) - Sir Wm. Carroll M.D. J.P., Woodlawn
He is not listed at Woodlawn in 1884 - instead there's a Jno. Classen Stephens esq.
Shane
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Dana,
Might this be your James?
Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser (Dublin), Friday, April 8th, 1853
CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF IRELAND
Additional contributions collected in the DIOCESE of NEW YORK and ALBANY by the Rev Dr Donnelly in aid of the fund for establishing the CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY of IRELAND -
Diocese of ALBANY, Binghamton, Broome Co, NY
Rev James Hourigan, Pastor $50
regards
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Quaxer, Shane, hanes teulu,
Thank you to each of you!
Quaxer, The Fitzwilliam St address was helpful but especially interesting because now I realize how this street has been so much of Dublin's history.
Shane, The additional William Carroll information you sent is very welcome because it provides more names to explore regarding the history of Dublin.
hanes teulu, Yes this was my family's priest, Rev. James Hourigan, who is recorded in the Freeman's Journal as donating to the fund for establishing the Catholic University of Ireland in 1853. You've provided me with another interesting research path to follow, the establishment of this university and its history and the Freeman's Journal as a source.
Sincerely,
Dana
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Dana
Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser, Tuesday, September 28, 1869
THE LATE DINNER AT CROSTHWAITE HALL, KINGSTON - we understand that the Rt Hon. Sir William Carroll, Lord Mayor of Dublin, Lady Carroll and several friends paid a return visit to J J Crosthwithe Esq, TC, at Crosthwaite Hall, Kingstown, yesterday and that a sumptuous entertainment was provided for them by the popular and hospitable proprietor. In the evening his Lorship took train for Cork. Mr Crosthwaite and Mr Lagan, Town Commissioners, also left that town yesterday on a visit to Killarney. These gentlemen will meet and dice with the Lord Mayor at Cork on Wednesday next.
regards
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Hi there, I was really thrilled to come across your message. I am a final year student at University of Ulster, Coleraine and I completed a dissertation in May on Sir William and a libel trial he was involved in. I have continued my research on Sir William and his family, as I am looking to do a Masters dissertation with a biography of Sir William, so I can fill you in on quite a bit of extra family information. I also have information on his medical qualifications and family burial records and quite a few contacts you may be interested in.
I would be absolutely thrilled if you could get in touch as there is also a ref to Rev. Hourigan as well and I really would be delighted to hear from you.
Many thanks and I hope to hear from you soon!!
Donnamaria
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I would like to reply to donnamariacarlin who is doing her Masters on William Carroll. I live in South Africa and my Grandmother was May Gertrude Carroll his granddaughter, daughter of John Simon Carroll. My grandmother died in1969 and my sister and I are interested in finding out more about our Irish roots.
We would love to receive any information.
Thanks
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AgnesV.
Hi, sorry it's taken me so long to reply. just bear with me for another week or two and I can send you whatever information that I have. Just in the process of updating the information I have, and putting it all together for you. Should be in touch as soon as I can, and apologies again for taking so long to reply.
Donnamaria
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Thank you I was quite excited to receive your reply. We have very little information on my grandmothers family. Her correct name was Mary Gertrude Carroll but my grandfather called her May. We always understood her birthdate to be 16th October 1880.She came here in October 1902 to marry my grandfather who had come out from Ireland in 1899 and was a veterinary surgeon during the British Boer war. From her meagre scrapbook/journal I have found envelopes and one letter he wrote her giving various addresses in Dublin and I think I found reference to her in the 1901 census together with her sister and maternal grandmother. In the journal is an undated newspaper cutting referring to her uncle Dr William Joseph Carroll"s death in Australia and another uncle who was at his bedside S.J Carroll. It mentions that Dr W.J was the second son of Sir William Carroll and born in 1854 and 42 when he died which makes the year 1896. I have the book for "Right Honorable William Carroll 1868 Visitors to The Lord Mayor and Lady Mayoress " which was passed on to my father. I do not know who Lady Carroll was ! Hopefully we will over time be able to learn more and I look forward to receiving whatever information you can share with me
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Hi, just to let you know, Lady Margaret Elizabeth Carroll was Sir William's wife, John Simon's mother. will be in touch soon, again.
Wonderful to hear from you.
Donnamaria
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Thank you for that info. I look forward to hearing from you again and learning more about my origins.
Agnes V
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Hi AgnesV and donnamariacarlin
I am trying to prove that the wife of John S. CARROLL is actually the sister of my great-grandfather, Francis Joseph FitzPatrick. An item in the Nenagh Guardian 1838-2010 Wednesday May 04, 1870 page 2 states:
MARRIAGES
May 3, at Rathgar, John S., eldest son of Sir Wm. Carroll, 33 Upper Fitzwillim-street (sic), Dublin, to Mamie Eliza, second daughter of Samuel Fitzpatrick, Esq., of Vista, Rathgar.
I base this on a personal history which was written for Francis Joseph FitzPatrick (Samuel's second son) in which he stated that he had a sister who married a Lord Mayor of Dublin and died of smallpox. Now I cannot find a Lord Mayor who married a FITZPATRICK but John S. may qualify as he is the SON of a Lord Mayor. There is no mention of the names for either of his two other brothers or his four sisters in the report.
As for William Joseph CARROLL, I cannot find when came to Oz, but he married Ada Agnes HUDSON in 1881 at Corowa, NSW. Cannot get an exact date for when he died but it was before 5/8/1916 when his son William Hudson died in WW1 in France, as the description says - the late Dr W J Carroll and Late Sir William Carroll, Dublin.
Something else I came across is that Maude-Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Doctor Sir William CARROLL, J.P., married in 1867, Doctor Francis John Boxwell QUINLAN (b. 9/05/1834) and
an item in the South Australia Register (newspaper) of Monday 25/11/1889.
CARROLL - FREUDENBERG - On the 10th October at St Peter's Church, Surry Hills, Sydney, NSW, by the Rev. E.M. O'Brien. P.Stanislaus, youngest son of Sir William Carroll, M.D., J.P., Dublin to Elenora Augusta, youngest daughter of Mr J.F. Freudenberg, Adelaide. SA. The NSW BDM entry for that marriage is number 1457/1889 Patrick S. CARROLL to Elenora FRENDENBERG at Sydney.
regards
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Freeman's journal & Daily Commercial Advertiser, Wed, May 4th, 1870 has an extra snippet re the marriage that may help ie.
".... John S eldest son of Sir William Carroll, MD, JP, TC of No 33 Upper Fitzwilliam St to Mary Eliza, second daughter of Samuel F Fitzpatrick, Esq, of Vista, Rathgar and grandaughter of the late Edmund Fitzpatrick, Solicitor, of St John's and Enniscorthy, in the County Wexford, and Rathduff, County Carlow".
Note it's "Mary" not "Mamie" in this report.
regards
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Thank you hanes teulu. Your reply has clarified my newspaper reference and given so much more by qualifying Samuel and mentioning the grandfather (Edmond, a solicitor). With this info I can be fairly sure that two families I have been trying to tie together for quite some time do indeed come from brothers - Samuel Foley FitzPatrick and Francis Johnston FitzPatrick. You will notice that there is a capital P in the surname which is a rather 'unique feature' but is not always written as such.
Woooo Hooooo I am very happy!!!!
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Hi Tony F, John S Carroll and Mary Elizabeth Carroll nee Fitz patrick were my Grandmother, Mary Gertrude Carroll"s parents. I have recently obtained a copy of her birth certificate. We have wondered why my grandmother never spoke of her family and now know how her mother died. My aunt , daughter of Mary Gertrude, was Mary Elizabeth , known as Maimie and My father had Fitzpatrick as one of his names. John S was a city marshall and the address on the birth certificate was 50 Rutland Square W, Dublin.
I have two photos of, I think , my fathers' Fitzpatrick great grandparents. I am looking for a reference. Also some pictures in my grandmothers journal are unidentified.
Donnamariacarlin sent me information about the Carroll family which I am busy tying up with my information. This also relates to the Australian family.
There is quite a bit to sort through!
regards AgnesV
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AgnesV
Further on this topic I have been looking through the following site - churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
Found a marriage for William CARROLL and Margaret PEARSON on 2 December 1843 in the Parish/Church/Congregation - St Andrew, Dublin. Sponsor was Syoney (sic) PEARSON - see Pearson Berkeley below
Then found the baptism of Patrick Stanislaus CARROLL whom I mentioned in a previous post being married in NSW Oz.
Patrick Hanislaus (sic) Carroll of 31 Stephens Green in 1860. Father: William CARROLL, Mother: Margaret Eliza PEARSON.
Decided to dig a bit deeper and came up with
. Henrietta Clara CARROLL in 1850 at St Andrew. Sponsor was Sidney PEARSON
. William Joseph CARROLL baptised in 1854 at St Andrew
. PEARSON Berkeley CARROLL in 1857 at St Andrew ------ Could this be a son 'named' after the mother. Also the Sponsor1 was John SIMON ------ the same as the first born son. Sponsor2 was Catharine Letitia CARROLL - there is a baptism in 1826 for a Catharinam Letitiam PEARSON (latinised!) whose parents were John PEARSON and Sydney Unknown. Are these just coincidences???
regards
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Tony F
Back to the Fitz patricks. I have a photo in my gran's journal and on the back is written 'Kate Morrissey{formerly O'Farrell, born Fitzpatrick} sister of M.E.Carroll. This would make her another sister to your great-grandfather. Does this help?
My grandfather also from Ireland, was in the Volunteers Veterinary Corps in the Brtiish /Boer war in South Africa. In a letter to my Gran
, dated 1st March 1900, postmark 12 April 1900 and addressed to 25 Gardiner's Place Dublin he asks her to give his kindest regards to Mrs Fitzpatrick. I believe this was her grandmother as I found reference to my gran in the 1901 census and she was boarding with a Rita Carroll and Mrs Fitzpatrick aged 79. will have to check that address again. There is also a photo headed Gardiners place, a four storey building.
regards Agnes V
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TonyF
When I found reference to my grandmother aged 20 in the 1901 census the address shows her living as a boarder at house 37 Kildare Street. There was also Rita Carroll 25,who could be a sister Margaret Mary, as my aunt was Margaret Mary Olivia, called Rita by us all and a Mrs Fitzpatrick 79, who could be the one referred to in the letter .
Agnes V
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Hi Tony F, John S Carroll and Mary Elizabeth Carroll nee Fitz patrick were my Grandmother, Mary Gertrude Carroll"s parents. I have recently obtained a copy of her birth certificate. We have wondered why my grandmother never spoke of her family and now know how her mother died. My aunt , daughter of Mary Gertrude, was Mary Elizabeth , known as Maimie and My father had Fitzpatrick as one of his names. John S was a city marshall and the address on the birth certificate was 50 Rutland Square W, Dublin.
I have two photos of, I think , my fathers' Fitzpatrick great grandparents. I am looking for a reference. Also some pictures in my grandmothers journal are unidentified.
Donnamariacarlin sent me information about the Carroll family which I am busy tying up with my information. This also relates to the Australian family.
There is quite a bit to sort through!
regards AgnesV
Hi Agnes,
I am in the process of doing my family tree my great grandmother was Mary Anne Carroll the address on her birthcert is 50 Rutland Square, her fathers name is Owen Carroll and the address he gives on her sister Bridget's marriage cert in 1923 is also 50 Rutland Sq although Owen is marked as deceased at this time.
Do you think we are connected in some way? I would love if you had more information and could send me a copy of the photos you have?
Thanks,
Jess
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danadavkins,
Re the Rev Jame Hourigan have you checked the New York papers at -
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
The search key "Rev James Hourigan" and "the exact phrase" (drop down menu) delivers 9 hits - including a photograph)
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For Donna Maria
I was very interested to read that you are writing a biography of Sir William Carroll. I am doing research on William Bulfin, whose relative, Patrick Bulfin, married a daughter of Sir William and subsequently became Lord Mayor himself. I wonder could you help me with any details of Patrick Bulfin's marriage? Thank you and good luck with your biography.
Timmol
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Timmol,
A very warm welcome to Rootschat.
The marriage notice appeared in Freeman's Journal, 26 Jan 1855 -
"MARRIED - January 24, at Sandypoint Catholic Church, by the Very Rev Doctor O'Donnell, P P, Mr Patrick Bulfin to Miss Theresa Carroll, daughter of John Carroll, both of this city."
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May be of use
http://sources.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=%22%20Woodtown%20House%20Rathfarnham%22&type=subject
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Thank you to both who have replied. The material should be useful, though I note that Theresa Carroll is described as 'daughter of John', not William Carroll. I am still interested in knowing more about Patrick Bulfin - he seems to have emerged from relative provincial obscurity to become Lord Mayor of Dublin. Was he lucky enough to marry a daughter of Sir William, or was there more to his history? Donna Maria, I feel sure, will know more.
Timmol
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he seems to have emerged from relative provincial obscurity to become Lord Mayor of Dublin. Was he lucky enough to marry a daughter of Sir William?
Timmol
See post above re. marriage of Patrick Bulfin to the daughter of John Carroll
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Timmol,
From the research I have undertaken on this family I believe that your BULFIN has no immediate connection with Sir William or his son John Simon. He just happens to have married the daughter of a man named John CARROLL.
These are the possible children of Sir William (disclaimer - I have not sighted birth/baptism certificates): Sydney Catherine 1844; John Simon 1845; Catherine Letitia 'Kate' ?; Margaret Elizabeth c1850; Henrietta Clara 1850; William Joseph 1854; Pearson Berkeley 1857; Austin James 1858; Patrick Stanislaus 1860; Richard Pearson ?; Catherine A. ?.
As for John Simon, his children were Margaret Mary 1870, Richard ?; Samuel F. ?; Patrick Pearson 1879; Mary Gertrude 1880.
My interest in the family is that my great grandfather's (Francis Joseph FITZPATRICK) sister (Mary Eliza) married John Simon CARROLL.
TonyF
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TonyF
Thank you for your reply. According to Jeanne Winder Bulfin, author of 'The Bulfins of Derrinlough', Lord Mayor Patrick Bulfin was married to 'Theresa Cline Carroll, daughter of a former Lord Mayor of Dublin'. This was Sir William Carroll, not as wrongly stated in a previous post, John Carroll. He would therefore have been a brother-in-law of John Simon.
I also came across the following in Connellan family pedigree - Library Ireland - see website.
A Dr. Francis John Boxwell Quinlan married Maude Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Dr Sir William Carroll, in 1867. This could be the 'Margaret Elizabeth' referred to in your list.
Regards
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DonnaMaria, I would love to read your bio of Sir William Carroll. Is this the Sir William who was consul on Saint Helena during Napoleon's incarceration? I am trying to research my 3rd Great Grandfather William, father of Henry H who was born on the island.
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Jeannettcarroll,
A very warm welcome to Rootschat
William's "New York Annual Register 1834" (available on google books) has an entry -
Page 406
Ministers and Consuls of the United States
William Carroll, C.A., St Helena
I think "C.A." may stand for "Charge d' Affaires".
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Nile's Weekly Register 1833 (viewable on google books)
Foreign Ministers and Agents of the U.S
Commercial Agents - William Carroll at Island of St Helena
So, "C.A." stands for Commercial Agent rather than Charge d'Affaires?
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https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/publications/treasar/pages/60038_1850-1854.pdf
There's a reference to a "William Carroll, Consular Agent at St Helena, to 30 June 1853"
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The Sailor's Magazine & Naval Journal, 1838 describes him as William Carroll, Consular Commercial Agent.
What's in a name?
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Hello, I am researching William Carroll and family. His son Patrick Stanislaus was an entertainer for JC Williamson (Princess Theatre) in Melbourne. I would love to see the information from Donna Maria Carlin but it has been a while since people were active in this forum. Regards Cath