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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: buona on Saturday 27 November 10 12:12 GMT (UK)
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Could someone kindly help me to find the marriage of William John Grey between 1911 and 1920 possibly in Sydney. William John was born abt 1890 in Swansea, Wales UK.
Bride was Margaret Ina ........ sorry, surname unknown. She was born abt 1891 in Australia, probably New South Wales (Sydney?)
I live in England and would be delighted if someone could help
buona,
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Hi Buona
This may be the marriage you are looking for - 7324/1917 William J Gray/Margaret I Dann at Wickham
You can search the indexes yourself, they are online. If you want to get a copy of the marriage there are contact details on the homepage for Transcription Agents. Much cheaper than getting the certificates and have the same information.
www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
Cazay
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Hi Cazay,
Thank you for such a speedy reply and the marriage information. I am thrilled with it and am sure it is the correct one.
I had already searched the records myself but kept coming up with no matches. I assumed this was because I did not know the bride's surname. Since reading your post, however, I have been back to search the records using the bride's surname but I still keep coming up with no matches. I am obviously doing something wrong but I have no idea what - I shall keep trying and maybe practice will make perfect!!
One further question if I may, could you kindly tell me whereabouts Wickham is please?
Many thanks for your help and expertise
buona
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Hi
Wickham is a suburb of Newcastle.
Cheers
Annie
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Hi Annie,
Thanks for this info - another gap in the family history closed. These message boards are great!
buona
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Hi there,
When using the indexes just make sure you use a "wildcard* in your search to pick up the instances of misspellings. In this case the marriage is under the surname GRAY not GREY, so searching for GR*Y should give you better search results. On the NSW index you can use the wildcard * to replace letters in any part of the name.
Debra :)
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I think this may be her birth:
1891 Ina M Dann
Parents: Frederick J Dann and Eliza J
Maitland. East, New South Wales
Registration Number: 20668
Wickham is a suburb of Newcastle and Maitland is a town quite close to Newcastle.
Lots of births shown with same parents, registered at East or West Maitland
1885 Eva M
1887 Mabel L
1889 Horace
1893 Ethel D
1895 Hugh H
1903 Eveline D
1906 Elsie
1899 Arthur
And this looks like the marriage:
1884 Frederick J DANN Eliza J SEEDS registered at MORPETH 5838
Morpeth is in the same area as Maitland and Newcastle.
Judith
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Hi there,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html has lots of links for the Christ Church Cathedral of Newcastle's bdm records ... including ones from their outlying areas ... Sometimes there's even family pages with the various births recorded too.
Another tip re NSW BDM records, you can click on the headings of each of those indexes to sort each column into different order from the displayed one.
Fingers crossed...
Cheers JM
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Hi Dundee, judb and majm,
Wow! Thanks everyone for all this information, especially the birth of Margaret I and all her siblings - quite a large family. Must be lots of relatives out there that my husband doesn't know about.
I am grateful for the advice re searching the indexes. I have had another go but am still coming up with no matches even though I enter all the information you have provided - and used a wild card ???
This is the URL of the search I am using - is it the correct one?
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
I would be grateful if you could help me to get this sorted as I obviously have a lot more searches to make now all this "extra" family has been found.
Thrilled with the advice re Christ Church Cathedral bmd's but haven't yet had time to access the records - fingers crossed I will succeed there!
Very grateful,
buona
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Hi buona
I think the only way you will be able to progress this search is to order the marriage certificate which should give you information about parents, birthplace etc
Ordering from a transcription agent is quicker and cheaper than from the official site. They are all accredited and well-regarded. I would be asking them to look carefully as to the spelling of Gr*y
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Judith
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Hi Judith,
Thanks for this advice especially the suggestion about transcription agents - something we don't have here in England so I wouldn't have known to use them.
I will proceed with your suggestion of getting the marriage certificate. Australian marriage certificates sound as if they give more info than the English ones e.g. birth place.
many thanks for the help of your experience
buona
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Pleased to be able to help. In the Australia Resources Board you can see a list of information that can be found on Australian certificates. Each State does their own BMDs and it sepends on the State exactly what is recorded. Of course, it also depends on the informant as to the accuracy of the information - sometimes, also, the informant does not know th much about the person - especially on death certificates. Marriage certificates are usually correct as the peole supplying the information are the couple themselves. However, they may have something to hide also!!
I have been quite disappointed with many certs I have ordered from UK :(
However - the censuses give great information.
Would love to hear what you find.
Judith
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Hi Judith,
Thank you for this extra information - and your interest; I will certainly let you know how my search progresses though, with Christmas just around the corner, I might have to put it on hold until the New Year.
I too find the censuses a great source of family information - some ancestors occupations have been a revelation!
Cheers,
buona
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Hello again Judith,
Getting back to you, as promised, re William John Grey and Margaret Ina Dann.
Since my last post my husband has been fortunate enough to be in email touch with a descendent of one of Margaret Ina's siblings. This descendent has verified all the details of Margaret’s ancestors and they are the same family you identified in your initial reply to my post. So, well done! I take my hat off to your expertise.
The family’s forebears emigrated on assisted passage from Sussex, England about 1830 - so we look forward to many happy hours here searching UK parish records to see how far back we can trace the family line. We have ordered a transcript of the Australian Birth Certificate of Margaret’s paternal grandfather to see what other details we might glean. It is, unfortunately, taking longer to arrive than I had hoped so we are waiting - patiently!
The information we have of William John Grey has also been verified here via a living relative. Thus, we have a fairly comprehensive dossier on William and Margaret to pass on to our children/grandchildren.
With repeated thanks for your interest and help
buona
P.S. A belated Happy New Year to you