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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Derbyshire => England => Derbyshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: proteantime on Thursday 25 November 10 21:33 GMT (UK)
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:) Hi,
I'm looking for a trace of the birth of Jesse Howard in Glossop Derbyshire in about 1833, which for some reason seems to be missing from the Free BMD and LDS sites. I wonder if anyone can help with advice on why it might be missing or indeed may be able to fill in this blank for me.
Jesse Howard is the first child of the family of which Joe Howard is our ancestor. Joe Howard emigrated to Castlemaine in Victoria Australia and married Rachel Maxwell. Together they moved from the gold rush in Australia to the one in New Zealand in the late 1860s and despite never having children, left quite a legacy with traces of Joe standing up for the rights of the Chinese gold prospectors and running a large Hotel/gold assaying and stables.
Here are the details for Jesse, that I am aware of:
Parents of Jesse Howard
Groom's Name Thomas Howard Bride’s Name Susannah Haigh
Marriage Date 01 Dec 1833 Marriage Place Collegiate Church, Manchester Lancashire,
CHILDREN
i.Birth of Howard Jesse – not found
ii. Birth Year: 1839 Howard Ann Hayfield Derbyshire Register Office Num: 395 Reference: HB/02/042
iii. Births Mar 1838 Howard Mary Hayfield 19 434
iv. Births Sep 1840 Howard William Hayfield &c 19 484
v. Births Dec 1842 Howard Maria Elizabeth Hayfield 19 462
vi. Births Sep 1844 Howard Walter Hayfield 19 532
vii. Births Jun 1846 Howard Sarah Jane Hayfield 19 638
1841 Census
HOWARD, Thomas M 30 Manager Derbyshire
HOWARD, Ann F 34
HOWARD, Jessey M 8 Derbyshire
HOWARD, Ann F 5 Derbyshire
HOWARD, Mary F 3 Derbyshire
HOWARD, William M 1 Derbyshire
Primrose Bole, Glossop, Simmondley
1851
HOWARD, Thomas Head 39 House Proprieter b Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Ann Wife 42 b Denby Yorkshire
HOWARD, Jesse Son Unmarried 18 Cotton Spinner b Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Joe Son Unmarried 16 Paper Stainer b Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Ann Daughter 14 Cotton Winder b Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Mary Daughter 13Servant b Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, William Son 10 Scholar b Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Mariah Daughter 8 Scholar b Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Walton Son 6Scholar Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Sarah Jam Daughter 4 Scholar b Glossop Derbyshire
76 Primrose Lane, Whitfield
1861
HOWARD, Thomas Head 49 Farmer Of 12 Acres b Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Susannah Wife 53 b Furzton Yorkshire
HOWARD, Ann Daughter 23 Cotton Warper b Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, William Son 20 Warehouseman Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Walter Son 16 Dyer Glossop b Derbyshire
HOWARD, Sarah A Daughter 14 b Glossop Derbyshire
217 Primrose Lane, Whitfield, Glossop
1871
HOWARD, Thomas Head 58 Farmer Of 12 Acres Derbyshire
HOWARD, Susanah Wife 60 Farmer’s Wife Yorkshire
HOWARD, Jesse Son 32 Visitor Derbyshire
HOWARD, Sarah J Daughter 23 Farmer’s Daughter (Marr.) Derbyshire
43 Primrose Lane, Glossop
*** Son William and wife Sarah and daughter Bessie are living at 41 Primrose Lane (next door)
1881
HOWARD, Thomas Head M 69 Farmer (Of 12 Acres) Glossop Derbyshire
HOWARD, Susannah Wife 73 Penistone Yorkshire
HOWARD, Bessie Ad GrandDaughter Single 10 Scholar b Glossop Derbyshire
43, Primrose Lane, Glossop Dale
*** Bessie Adelaide is William and Sarah Howard’s daughter.
Deaths Mar 1885 Howard Thomas 74 Hayfield 7b 493
Deaths Sep 1886 Howard Thomas 74 Hayfield 7b 455
Deaths Jun 1890 Howard Susan 82 Hayfield 7b 455
Family of Jesse Howard:
Marriages Dec 1875 HOWARD Jesse Birkenhead 8a 765
OLDFIELD Mary Ellen Birkenhead 8a 765
Births Jun 1849 Oldfield Mary Ellen Wirrall 19 382
Births Dec 1876 (Howard William Jesse E Birkenhead 8a 501
Births Mar 1878 Howard Clarence George O Birkenhead 8a 530
Births Mar 1879 Howard Minnie Haigh Birkenhead 8a 545
Births Dec 1880 Howard Albert Ernest W Birkenhead 8a 468
Births Mar 1882 Howard Amy Sybil Birkenhead 8a 524
Any help to find this birth in either Glossop, Whitfield, Hayfield, would be fantastic.
Many thanks,
Kirsten
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Hi,
just a quick afterthought, I was also unable to find our Joe Howard who was born around 1835.
Best regards,
Kirsten
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You cannot find them becuase births were not required to be registered by law until 1837 and therefore records before that year are sketchy at best I'm afraid. I've had a look and I'm only getting him in census returns. Sorry.
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Thanks again,
I could not find anything, not even parish LDS records for him and had fingers crossed that someone local or otherwise may know another way to find out.
Best regards,
Kirsten
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Hi Kirsten,
I am a little confused by your post, you state that Thomas Howard = Susannah 1833 Manchester.
If this is the case, then why in the details you give 1841 and 1851 census is the wife of Thomas Howard
shown as Ann and the wife Susannah does not appear until the 1861 Census?
There is indeed a marriage in 1833 of a Thomas Howard to Susannah, but do you not think it more
likely that the following occurred, given the Census information.
Thomas Howard = Ann,
some time between the 1851 and 1861 Census Ann died, he takes a 2nd wife Susannah who appears
in 1861 Census.
There are 3 possible dates for the death of Ann, 1855, 1856 and 1860 all in the Hayfield Registration
District see http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Have you posted the incorrect marriage in error?
Spendlove