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Hi From Spain ;D
Recently had a breakthrough with my family tree,was contacted by another researcher who had same family links, and was able to provide me with 3 earlier generations of my family tree.
Problem for me though is still the same as I cannot find birth or christening of my Peter Lunt c1798.
I can find his siblings and parents also his marriage 1820, and his death 1835 .
WHY can't I find him ???
I feel that I am unable to add these generations to my tree,as it makes me feel very uncertain that I have got correct family.
What have I missed? I have spent hours going through FM. and OPC,.
Ageat marriage was 20 yrs old and death was 35 yrs old-- could he have been a LOT younger at marriage ,like 14 yrs old-or even a lot older.
Has anyone else had this problem?
Elsa-Mary
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Were all his siblings baptised in the same place? It might be that he was privately baptised and it never got written up in the parish register or that the vicar forgot to add it.
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Hi,
You haven't given a town/country for Peter but I found this on family search:
Peter Lunt, christening 17th March 1793, Tattenhall, Cheshire.
Parents: George Lunt and Elizabeth Jennions
http://pilot.familysearch.org
Nanny Jan
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HIi,
Thanks Jeuel,
Hadn't thought of the vicar forgetting,- but as his supposed brother Thomas 's christening was in 1802,same Church St Helen's, Sefton would have thought it would have rung bells !!
Thanks nannyjan,
According to the new info I have Peter Lunt 's parents were Bryan Lunt and Mary Smith-married 1787 at Sefton.
Of course Peter may have been born out of area of Sefton- his marriage was there but usually marriage is brides village I believe.
This is what is worrying me,if Peter was born out of area-then perhaps all the info I have is not of the same family of Lunts at all.
Cheers
Elsa-Mary
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You are, I suppose, aware that Bryan Lunt and his wife Ann Fairclough had a son Peter baptised at Sefton 4 April 1819 and died 17 April 1821?
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Hi,
Thanks Hackstaple,
Yes- but my Peter Lunt married in 1820 to Mary Clegg and died 1835,it just seems so strange that IF the new info I have is correct,I can find all his siblings-all at Sefton, but not himself.
I am very loath to add these generations to my tree,as he is the direct link.
It worries me that this may not be my ancestry,if I can't find Peter ,then perhaps the rest of that family are not mine !!
Do you know what I mean.
Elsa-Mary
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OK Elsa - Mary ...on lan-opc you have his marriage and his death ..St Helen church,Sefton
did you notice that a Bryan Lunt and ANN were the parents of
Peter Lunt babtised 1819 at St Helen church...yes ...I know Peter would have been about 19/20.
Maybe he wanted to be babtised before he got married...could Mary have died and Bryan re-married Ann ?...thus giving these as his parents...I know this all seems a little unusual , but it MIGHT be an answer...back soon...allan
FORGET THAT BABTISM...that Peter was born 14th March 1819
looks like Peter and Mary had 6 children(1st in Ford the rest in Litherland)...Peter died 4 months after the birth of his last child...a lot of stress for Mary...6 young children...and they moved from Ford to Litherland....I can`t find a babtism for Thomas 1802 in St Helen church ...where did you find this please ?...allan
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I had exactly the same problem as you Elsa Mary.I had being trying for over 10 years to find MY ancestors baptism,I found all his siblings but not him....the eldest(b 1811).
Ancestry recently put some new records online, and Eureka there he was baptised in Brentford Middlesex,and not Marylebone where they were living,and where the rest were baptised.
Turns out I have now been able to find where his dad came from ,as he'd died in 1844 so I never got to see where on any census.They'd obviously gone back to grannie's for the baptism.
So never give up,the records will be out there somewhere,it's just a question of when you get to find them though ;)
Carol
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I had exactly the same problem as you Elsa Mary.I had being trying for over 10 years to find MY ancestors baptism,I found all his siblings but not him....the eldest(b 1811).
Ancestry recently put some new records online, and Eureka there he was baptised in Brentford Middlesex,and not Marylebone where they were living,and where the rest were baptised.
I must check Ancestry now for my 2 x g.grandfather for whom I can't find a baptism. He was born about 1834 and I have checked the parish records myself when we were in the area on holiday, as have a couple of Rootschatters who live in the area. His parents marriage was there, as were the baptisms of 7 siblings starting 1816 and going as far as 1837 (unfortunately just before modern records began so I can't get a birth certificate to see who that one's parents were). It has been suggested that perhaps my 2 x g.grandfather was actually the illegitimate son of one of his elder "sisters". However, his parents did seem to have children every 3 years, so if he wasn't their's, there would have been a 6 year gap, although I suppose a child could have died.
Lizzie
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Hi ,
Thanks Carol and Alan,
Whats happened here is up till recently my tree finished (brickwall) with Peter Lunt died 1835 .
Just last week contacted by a lady in Scotland whose Great-greatgrandfather was Peter 1835-from the marriage of Peter to Mary Ann Morris ( Peter's second marriage )
She had viewed my tree on Ancestry, and realised there were connections, but she had not got my direct line,so it filled a lot of her gaps in,so to thank me as it were she provided me with her tree which gives Peter as being b/c?in 1799,with his parents being Bryan Lunt c/ 5/4/1760 and Mary Smith,married 21/1/1787 at Sefton.
With children John 1788-Bryan, c 1790, James c1792 Ellen 1794,,Peter 1799 !! and Thomas 1802.
Peter's grandfather on this tree is Bryan Lunt c1720 -found his siblings,as yet not this Bryan,but got an 1721 -could be!!
But this was not all, more info going back to 1595 !!!!!
With her info, I used FS and beta version as well and got ALL printed ,EXCEPT my elusive Peter.
I should absolutely love ;D to add all this AND ( who wouldn't to my tree ::)) But hesitate because of not finding Peter.
All baptisms and marriages prior to 1820 seem to all have been in St Helens Sefton.
I do not have broadband only dial up here in Jaen ::) and it has been a nightmare waiting for everything to download.
This info also included grave photos of Peter Lunt and his family at Sefton,for which I am so grateful,3 years ago spent 3 plus hrs in that cemetary and came up with nothing.
Thanks for your interest and encouragement-I do feel sometimes I'll never get there.
Adios
Elsa-Mary
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Elsa Mary...please don`t be offended...I live close to both
St Helens is the name of the town
St Helen (no S) is the name of the church in Sephton / Sefton ....
it may confuse people from other regions....it would help if you posted St Helen , Sefton
and not St Helens ,Sefton....hope you see where I am coming from...some people may think you mean the town of St Helens.....allan ;)
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Hi, Alan. ;D
None Taken, you are so right I just get carried away and assume ??? stupidly as I may have mentioned Sefton that the Church St Helen's Sefton is taken for granted.
I am a 2 fingered typist-so its a bit of a short cut + I am Irish-think faster than I can type-lol
Elsa-Mary
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You mention checking all sites online that have the registers transcribed, but have you ever looked at them yourself - or the film to see the actual document? Do you know whether the pages are actually legible or complete?
Could the missing entry simply be a missing or damaged illegible page?
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Are you near a Family History Library? Spain seems to have quite a few. I ask because .....
I once ordered in a Parish Register film for the town my ancestor consistently named on several censuses. The film had baptisms of all siblings but my ancestor was not there. The volunteer at the center suggested I order in the Bishop's Transcripts and my ancestor turned up there .... and one of the siblings was missing from these records.
So... Since I think online records are generally Parish Register transcriptions, my suggestion would be to look at the Bishop's Transcripts for Sephton/Sefton (which appear to be available for your time period) if you are able to. No guarantees, of course, but you never know. In my case the record keeping was obviously inconsistent.
Polarbear
Added: I second what Wocky has just asked.
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This has happened to me when researching my wife's tree. Apparently around the turn of the 18th/19th century it was not uncommon for the vicar to perform the services, make a note on a piece of paper, and then forget to add it to the register.Notes to this effect are often made in parish registers and/or transcripts.
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Well,
;D Some fantastic news for me- and atachments today, received family register of birth death and marriages of My greatgrandfather John Lunt ( 1862 ) and his family,really something to treasure.
This has been handed down to the lady that contacted me after seeing my tree on Ancestry recently,she was able to visit St Helen Sefton, told me the vicar had done a search- re Peter Lunt ( married there 1820),but was unable to find his birth ,burial or grave-thinks it maybe either illegible gravestone or broken up-but had very kindly offered to let my new relation know should something turn up.
Also they checked with Crosby record office at that time as well.
So , back to the brickwall-- and all those lovely ancestors that I would so love ::) to add to my tree-but still hesitate until Peter's birth/baptism or something confirmed.
I have wondered if Peter might have been child of one of the brothers or sisters????-that George Lunt and Ann ( Cheshire ) mentioned looks good a little early -but found a burial of a George Lunt christened 1766 burial 1789-wonder if he could have been Peter's father-he would have been about 23 yrs old at death in 1789.
Thanks
Elsa-Mary
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Do you know whether the family followed traditional naming patterns, i.e. olderst son named for paternal grandfatherf etc.? If so, that can give a guide, but by no means 100% correct and can get complicated when a child dies and their name is later given tio a "replacement". Remember too that very many people died at what today are absurdly young ages,so a death at 23 could well be the right man.
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Hi Red Roger ;D
Sod's law apparently in my family !!! his grandfather was a Bryan-but hr was not the eldest- that was a John- the line at that time SEEMS come from a Bryan Lunt,1760-----,his father1720,and yes one of Peter' younger brothersi s named Bryan or Broyan 1790 for his father,Bryan 1760- then again for his father Bryan1720--- then we go to a James,whose father is Richard !!!!!,whos e father is Richard also.
BUT ??? Peters birth christening cannot be established--1789/99 --all this is surely speculation as to who was parentage earlier--or am I being too picky.
Like all on this forum-who try to research ancestry,I want to really be able to add to my tree--in confidence that I got the right guys ::)
Good ;D--you reminded me as I again pulled out the info and checked,I am still a LEARNER :-[,AND CONSTANTLY READ ALL FORUM STUFF-BECAUSE I KNOW --I will learn an awful lot--as I have and be able to look at resourses that I would not have known about previously.
CONSTANTLY :o amazed how how forum members are able to find that little nugget that pulls everything together, witht heir kindness and time given.
So search goes on for my Peter Lunt---b 1799?
Bless You
Elsa-Mary
So as you say does not always work!!--- BUT,this
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If and I know it is a mighty big if you can strip oput the replacement naming for children who died in infancy, then you just might find that there is a pattern, and the children are not named at random or by the law of sod. Worth a look if you can find the date, who knows whilst looking you might find the answer.
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Hi Elsa-Mary
I don't know if you have now found the information you wanted about Peter Lunt but I can tell you that I am a DNA match with two of Peter's descendants (one from his son James and the other from his daughter Mary Ann) and as I am descended from Peter's brother Brian this makes it extremely likely that the match is through their parents Brian Lunt and Mary Smith because I have a fairly extensive tree with no other obvious family connections with my DNA matches. I see from your posts that you may have some information about the Lunts that I don't have so I would be really interested to see your tree if this is possible. Mine is on a number of different site under various titles.
Best regards, Barbara
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Wow--sorry been in Wales till now --so had not been able to think about this--my younger sister--also a Lunt at birth died--her name Edwina Alexandra Louise-I am basically Elsa-Mary Lunt born N .Ireland !!!1947 - In Newtownards married surname Owen-now divorced--so now I am only Lunt of 1st marriage of James Harold Lunt 1914 Birkenhead--son of John Lunt--I haVe NOT WANTED TO DO DNA--REALISING the impact on my family-they use thgis stuff for manyout ins purposes-but hey.I am now 72--so maybe take a chance-as-- RUMOUR!! HAS IT--not found it to be so-- we may have Jewish heritage!----no proof at all
o at all --oinly JOhn Lunt--seemed a bloody good business man-- I have been fortunate to have family bible type,insertions from then--I know the family branched OUT FROM MARY ANNE-would love to know about her background--have some-not confirmed--cN WE ASSIST EACH OTHER??
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Regarding your mysterious Peter is it possible that he is son of an unmarried female Lunt hence harder to find
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Hi,
Yes I do think that is very possible an illegitate birth--but to whom??-- ???