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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: ladyflippers on Wednesday 24 November 10 18:27 GMT (UK)
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You would have thought I have enough detail on my gran to be able to find her birth certificate but no!
She was married to Charles Vaughan on 15th November 1927 with a stated age of 18. Her father is down as Patrick McTague (farmer) and her address is down as 22 Ashfield Road Ranelagh.
I've been told that her birthday was 18th Dec but even taking that with a pinch of salt I still can't find her birth registered.
Can you? ???
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do you know where Mary Ann was born ?
I dont think there would have been many farmers in Ranelagh at that time, so I'd suspect Mary Ann was living away from home..
Thom's '27 shows that Ashfield Rd address as Miss Kirwan
Shane
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one possible census match in Co. Leitrim :
McTague family, Townland of Drumcroman (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Cloverhill/Drumcroman/646073/)
Father is Patrick, a farmer, and there is a daughter named Mary Ann age 3 months, so would been born around December 1910
Shane
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Hi Shane,
I'm afraid I don't know where she was born. I have been told that there are Gafneys in her family but my family are light on facts ;D . I did look on the 1911 census and could only find a Patrick & Mary Ann McTague in Leitrim so I don't know if that is her.
Jen
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Mary Anne McTague Reg dist Bawnboy birth Jan - Mar 1911 Volume 3 Page No. 35
cavan or leitrim
if born december 1910 she was possibly reg after christmass 1911 ?
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if Mary Ann was registered a few weeks after her birth it would be indexed under Jan-Mar 1911, although the date of birth could still be Dec 1910..
I wonder if Mary Ann's mother Maria on that census might be a Gaffney ?... I know the surname was quite common around Cavan & Leitrim
p.s. I just checked SeanRuad and the townland of Drumcroman is in the Registration district of Bawnboy.. so that birth does seem to match up with the 1911 census
Shane
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Whoops ! no wonder i failed me maths ;D
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On family search A Patrick McTague married a Maria Gaffney in 1906 in Manhattan New York. could that be your Mary Anne 's parents? http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#marriageYear=1905&givenName=Patrick&searchType=close&surname=McTague&p=recordResults
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if Mary Ann was registered a few weeks after her birth it would be indexed under Jan-Mar 1911, although the date of birth could still be Dec 1910..
I wonder if Mary Ann's mother Maria on that census might be a Gaffney ?... I know the surname was quite common around Cavan & Leitrim
p.s. I just checked SeanRuad and the townland of Drumcroman is in the Registration district of Bawnboy.. so that birth does seem to match up with the 1911 census
Shane
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you all but rather annoyingly 'work' has been getting in the way of my family research!
I think you may have her there Shane. I've looked at the 1901 census and there is a Maria Gaffney living in Cloverhill Leitrim aged 16 so that ties in with the family info
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Cloverhill/Curraghnawall/1481697/
The one thing that had me flummoxed was not being able to find the marriage record to confirm that Maria McTague was nee Gaffney.
culbaire: When I first read your reply I dismissed it completely, I mean how could a farmer afford to go to New York to be married? They both appear to be living in Ireland in 1901 and 1911. But the information on the marriage record does seem to be a good match. The brides mothers name is Maggie and that ties in the 1901 census. Likewise the grooms father name of Michael matches the 1901 census plus it would explain why I can't find an Irish record. But for the life of me I can't work out how they would have got there ... well that's not true as I know there was a lot of emmigration so I guess I am puzzled by how and why they came back!
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Hi,
I have a family record of four brothers going from Londonderry to the US and the eldest of them marrying a girl he would have known at home. They married in Philadelphia and on the death of his father the eldest son and his bride returned home to take over the farm.
Regards
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Hi,
I have a family record of four brothers going from Londonderry to the US and the eldest of them marrying a girl he would have known at home. They married in Philadelphia and on the death of his father the eldest son and his bride returned home to take over the farm.
Regards
That seems like a perfectly reasonable explaination, plus Patrick was the eldest son. If I find a record of his fathers death after marriage in 1906 and before the 1911 census I think I'll go with that :) Thank you.
Oh I don't suppose you know how I would go about getting hold of that New York marriage record would you?
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Hi,
I went to my local library in Co.Londonderry where they were able to connect me to the Ulster-American Folk Museum data base. While looking for the emigration dates for three of boys I inadvertently came across the marriage in the Belfast Telegraph. This explained why I was never able to find the marriage locally.
Regards
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A Michael McTague died in that area in 1909.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0akc/
re Patrick and Maria's Marriage in New York
Stated Brides father was Philip Gaffney, mother was Maggie Groyliegan. Maria’s mother in 1901 census was Margaret. According to family search a Phil Gaffney married a Margaret Gevighigan in the Bawnboy Reg district of Leitrim in 2nd quarter 1884. Looks likely to be same person possibly wrong spelling of names.
culbaire
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re Patrick and Maria's Marriage in New York
Stated Brides father was Philip Gaffney, mother was Maggie Groyliegan. Maria’s mother in 1901 census was Margaret. According to family search a Phil Gaffney married a Margaret Gevighigan in the Bawnboy Reg district of Leitrim in 2nd quarter 1884. Looks likely to be same person possibly wrong spelling of names.
culbaire
Thank you so much culbaire I am pretty certain now it is them. I even found Patricks father died in 1909 making the return to Ireland to look after the farm very plausible. I doubt I would have found them without your help! Thank you again!
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hi
The name you are looking for is Margaret Geoghegan . If you wish to go
back further in the family line let me know. Both Mary and Charles were both well into their nineties when they died.
bobsnr