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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: *Di* on Tuesday 23 November 10 22:27 GMT (UK)
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Hello, great to find this site.... I am a complete beginner with much to learn.. my husbands Grandfather who we had no knowledge of really was Rev'd JHH Scott, who was the rector in Ardkeen untiil his passing in 1930.. his eldest son AW Scott was Rev'd at Arvagh until his passing in 1977 We have little information, though thanks to a kind person from local village site in Ardkeen sending me a Church History book I now have some dates and photographs of JHH Scott, the Church and rectory etc.. I wonder how hard/easy it is to obtain birth/death/marriage certificates of Irish ancestors?.... Look forward to learning as much as possible, for future generations of Scott's.. :)
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There's an Arvagh in Co. Cavan- is this the one you mention?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvagh
Church at Ardkeen, Co. Down mentioned here-
http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&graveyard_name=Ardkeen
If you haven't done any Irish research yet have a look at Introduction to Irish Records to get an idea of what might be available and how to find materials-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html
You haven't given us any dates so it's difficult to give exact information.
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J.H. Scott is listed in the Church of Ireland section of the Ecclesiastical listing in Thom's 1914
J. H. Scott, B.A, parish of Ardkeen (Diocese of Down), posttown Ardkeen.
He doesn't seem to be included in the 1894 listings. At that time the minister at Ardkeen in Down is a Hugh Stowell.
I cant see any sign of J.H. Scott in Ardkeen on the 1911 census, but Rev. Stowell is shown in the parish in 1901 - see : link (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ardkeen/Ardkeen/1231496/)
Shane
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Thank you for reply Shane... yes, I know that JHH Scott became Rector of Arkdeen in 1911 to 1930... before that at Ballynure and Ballyeaston... I have actually had a development overnight in that someone may have information about other grandchildren in the area, so I am keeping fingers crossed that comes to fruition... if not I will still be researching and trying to find birth/marriage and death certificates etc... Thanks again for replies.. :)
Di x
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have you found the family on the 1911 census ?
The return contains details that would be very useful for your search - e.g. county of birth, age, number of years married etc
Shane
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Ive just looked again following your earlier reply in the 1911 return, but JHHScott isnt on there?... I am new to all this as I said, but I wonder if I have to have help at one of our main libraries to search census records for Ireland, that's what I am waiting to do at the moment. I did wonder if he took up the post at Ardkeen maybe just after the 1911 census was completed? Is there a census available for 1921?.. Your reply is much appreciated... :)
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There was no census taken in Ireland in 1921 due to the war of Independence - and from 1922 the processes became separate North & South. Next census in Southern Ireland was 1926 (not planned to be made public until 2026). Not sure when the next Northern Ireland census was... but I dont believe there was one in 1931..
Shane
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I have not been able to find any promising matches for Rev. Scott on the 1911 census ... do you know his first name ?
I'll have a check of the Ecclesiastical listing in Thom's 1904 this evening to see if there's any sign of him at that stage.
Shane
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could this be him in 1911 - Joseph Henry Scott, Main St, Ballyclare (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyclare_Urban/Main_Street/109437/) ?
Shane
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Thank you Shane, I have posted a private message to you.. :)
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a possible match for Joseph as a 'Student of Theology' on the 1901 census with his parents
Scott family, 1901, townland of Creevytenant (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Glassdrummon/Creevytenant/1238142/) (Co. Down)
Shane
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a possible marriage for Joseph's parents from the Civil BMD Index :
Name: Thomas Scott
Registration District: Downpatrick
Event Type: Marriage
Year: 1857
volume :4 / page: 692
Name: Emily Howard
[same index details]
some details from the extracted records on familysearch :
Agnes Scott / 29 Aug 1867 / Anahilt, Co. Down
Joseph Henry Scott / 06 Mar 1870 / Anahilt, Co. Down / Ref : 730
Ellen Scott / 12 May 1874 / Anahilt, Co. Down / Ref : 693
parents for all the above are Thomas Scott & Emily Howard
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
EDIT : I've just noticed a second record for a Joseph Scott with the same parents....
Joseph Henry Scott / 14 Sep 1871 / Co. Down / Ref v 16-2 p 621
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Ive got Joseph Henry Howard Scott as being born in 1874.. ? Do you think that the census with Thomas as head of family aged 68 and Joseph aged 25 is relevant to me, as the age of Joseph on your reply above doesnt tie in.... wonder if we have the wrong family, but him being a student of theology ties in doesnt it?...
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ages on census returns etc are not always accurate, so I'd allow a few years either way just in case.
The age for Joseph is quite consistent on the 1901 and 1911 return at 25 and 36, the 1901 occupation fits, and I think the full name match on the birth index record makes it a good possibility.
Do you have a marriage cert for Joseph ?
That would show father's name & occupation and could help prove the 1901 census connection (may also include a family member as a witness).
p.s. did you see the second 1871 Joseph birth I added details on above ?
Shane
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I dont have any official info at all re the family, what I have got from the village website is a guy put me onto a book published about the Church history with quite a lot of information re JHH Scott... he kindly sent me the book last week in return for a donation to the village community association, which I was very happy to do..the info I sent you via pm was sent to me from someone in the village church comminity where AW Scott (Joseph's eldest son) was Rector.. so regarding the Joseph Scott in 1871.. I doubt that is our relative, as JHH Scott was born 1874?.....
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a possible match for Joseph as a 'Student of Theology' on the 1901 census with his parents
Scott family, 1901, townland of Creevytenant (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Glassdrummon/Creevytenant/1238142/) (Co. Down)
Shane
I think this is the one we are related to??? Living on his own just prior to his marriage later that year?..
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I thought he married in 1911, so just after the other census detail we mentioned ?
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Joseph Henry Scott, Main St, Ballyclare (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyclare_Urban/Main_Street/109437/) - 1911 Census
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Ballyclare is right beside Ballynure & Ballyeaston - so would fit with the clues you have...
Shane
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Yes, thats correct, in the census with his parents, his age is stated as 25... he married ten years later ... late 1911, after he is stated in the 1911 census as living alone as Head of House, possibly in a room/house alone at Main St number 12-2 I printed that census off and noted that number 12 Main St had various occupants 12-1 etc, etc
Thank you for your time and patience by the way, very much appreciated..
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Hi,
Joseph H. Scott, father Thomas married Jane Gilmer Hill Woodside, father Alexander, in Ballynure Church of Ireland, Larne on 20 Sept 1911.
Regards
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I had a quick look to see if I could locate a marriage reference for Thomas and Jane in 1911 but without success so far..
wondering if part of Jane's name was a surname from a previous marriage ?
Shane
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Hi,
Joseph H. Scott, father Thomas married Jane Gilmer Hill Woodside, father Alexander, in Ballynure Church of Ireland, Larne on 20 Sept 1911.
Regards
Thank you, I did know that marriage date and names etc, (only that)but would you tell me where you actually found it please?.. Thanks so much.. :)
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Di, I will send a PM. Regards
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This is quite confusing... same date of birth, but slightly different area of birth.. Father and Mother stated as same names
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordResults&searchType=close&birthYear=1873&collection=fs%3A1584963&givenName=Joseph%20Henry&surname=Scott
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It's possible the parents had a son who died in infancy and they gave their next son the same name- very common years ago.
I was interested to see the name Jane Gilmer Hill Woodside- John Gilmore of Doagh (nr. Ballyclare) married Martha Isabelle Woodside. Or so we thought until their daughter died last year and her birth certificate gave us a different name for Martha. Will look at the details later.
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Some 14 years after I started this thread on the Scott family Ive managed to log back into this wonderful site... with the help of my much experienced brother via Ancestry .. com I have made a good start on the Scott family and Reverands from County Down... Scott/Woodside families together. Rev Joseph Henry Howard Scott married Jane Gilmer Hill Woodside on 20 Sept 1911 They had 4 sons Alexander Woodside Scott (Rev) in 1912, Joseph Henry Howard Scott jr in 1914, Thomas Lawrence Scott in 1915 and my father in law David Holmes Wilson Scott in 1924. Rev JHH Scott died when my father in law was just 5 years old... Thank you to all the above people who back then tried to help me, I now see how inexperienced I was back then compared to the ones who posted helpful info. Thank you again :)
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They had 4 sons Alexander Woodside Scott (Rev) in 1912, Joseph Henry Howard Scott jr in 1914, Thomas Lawrence Scott in 1915......
Alexander Woodside Scott born 5 August 1912.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01485/1604464.pdf
Joseph Henry Howard Scott born 29 March 1914.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01415/1581554.pdf
Thomas Lawrence Scott born 26 January 1916.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01347/1555810.pdf
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Thank you Kiltaglassan, I have those certificates now :)
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But they were put on this thread so that others could see them, and maybe add further information.
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Oh, ok so sorry I misunderstood and thought you were kindly posting them for me in case I didn't have them. My apologies
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No worries! :D :D