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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: AngelFish on Monday 11 April 05 23:53 BST (UK)
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Hello
My Gran told me that her Grandparents were married at St Anthony's Catholic Church, Walker, around 1900.
I think I have found their marriage certificate in 1898, and I was hoping it would show the Church name but it doesn't. It says Marriage solemnized at 'the Church in the parish of wallsend and married in the church according the the rites and ceremonies of the established Church after banns - which is very helpful!
Could they have been married in St Anthony's, or could I have the wrong certificate? I will be grateful for any info regarding this or the church.
Thank you
Claire
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Hi Clare
Or could your Gran's info be innaccurate ?
I believe the Established Church was C of E and according to GENUKI that was St Peters.
Again from GENUKI there was no Roman Catholic Church in Walker. The only St Anthonys I could find was Byker, All Saints Parish, Newcastle Upon Tyne.
http://www*genuki*bpears*org*uk/NBL/Wallsend/index*html
If you look at the GENUKI link above you will find information about where the Church records are held. You should be able to request a St Peter's Marriage Register entry to confirm that was the Church.
Regards
Helen K
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Hello
My Gran told me that her Grandparents were married at St Anthony's Catholic Church, Walker, around 1900.
I think I have found their marriage certificate in 1898, and I was hoping it would show the Church name but it doesn't. It says Marriage solemnized at 'the Church in the parish of wallsend and married in the church according the the rites and ceremonies of the established Church after banns - which is very helpful!
Could they have been married in St Anthony's, or could I have the wrong certificate? I will be grateful for any info regarding this or the church.
Thank you
Claire
st Anthonies of Padua RC church Street Wallsend
St Columba RC Carville Road Wallsend
St Domincs RC New Bridge St. Byker
as far as I am Know thats the only two I was born in Wallsend and cant remember any others my Gran was born in Walker an RC and was chris at St Dominics
audrey
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Thanks Audrey
Have now found Our Lady and St Columba, Wallsend on Genuki - apologies Clare for missing that.
Regards
Helen K
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Hi
Thanks so much for your help. Ive spoken to my Gran about this again, it was her parents not Grandparents who were married at St Anthony's. Which will explain why the certificate I have doesn't show a Catholic Church, although I am surprised as my GGran was a very strict Catholic all her life, I would have expected her parents to have been married in a Catholic Church.
Her Grandparents were married in Wallsend were her mother grew up. I think she may have been mixed up and means St Anthony's in Church St Wallsend or Byker.
Thank you :)
Claire
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Hi Claire
Do any of these Wallsend Walkers mean anything to you?
Margaret A Walker born 1866
Jane Walker born 1870
Ellen Walker born 1874
William Walker born 1876
Jacob Walker born 1880
Robert Walker born 1885
I beleive their parents were
William Walker born 1844 in Glasgow
and Margaret (unknown) born Morpeth 1843
Please let me know
regards
Wendy ???
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Hi Wendy
No, I'm afraid they don't mean anything to me - it was Walker the area in Newcastle not the name I was referring to. Sorry for any confusion, I put Walkers not Walker in the subject header by accident. I don't know the area myself.
Audrey and Helen,
I have now received the correct certificate for my GGrandparents from the GRO and it shows marriage at St Anthony's Catholic Church, Walker, in the district of Tynemouth, in the counties of Northumberland, Tynemouth and Newcastle-Upon-Tyne (yes, it is squashed in a bit!)
It was in 1906. I wonder if there used to be a church there that no longer exists or if the boundary's have moved.
Claire :)
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Hi Claire
This site might be of interest - there is an email address for the present Vicar of St Anthony's who should be able to help you.
http://www.newcastle.anglican.org/newcastle-east.htm
Regards
Helen K
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Hi Claire,
i only saw this post today. 10 yrs ago when i was a student i reularly helped with the mother and toddler group in Belmont church hall which belongs to the church u want. I remember spending a morning with the vicar to pick his brains foir my essay.
I live about 8 miles away. Boundary changes were very common. I wasn`t aware that the district of Tynemouth ever stretched that far but it may have done.
For some reason the name Padua rings a strong bell in my mind connected to that church.
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IMP/Addition and afterthoughts,
The St Anthony`s RC church i mentioned previously is in the St Anthony`s district of Walker .. (also known as Pottery Bank locally) Newcastle upon Tyne.
Have looked in my streetmap book I cannot see a Church St in Wallsend. Have a strong feeling the confusion here is to due to boundary changes.
Tried 2 find the church in phone book to clear up the "padua" bit but so far have drawn a blank. I`ll think on this and will post if i find any more out.
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Hi Slogger,
Thanks for your post, it is helpful. :)
My Gran also has talked about Pottery Bank. There was a pub there called the Lord Raglin Inn, she said it was still there in the 1970's put I haven't found any trace of it on the www.
Claire
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Hello Claire
There are two churches of St Anthony in the Walker/St Anthony's area of Newcastle upon Tyne:
1. St Anthony of Egypt (Church of England), Belmont Street. This is near Pottery Bank;
2. St Anthony of Padua (Roman Catholic), Church Street/Welbeck Road.
Wallsend is a different town, adjoining Walker and is part of North Tyneside MBC.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Rob
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Hi Claire,
after i posted last night knew i had made an error. St Anthony of Egypt church on Belmont st is as both Helen and Rob state C of E.
The Lord Raglin Inn?? ... There was a boarded up pub right down on the river below St Anthony`s/Pottery bank but i cannot remember what it was called. It was next to a hostel for homeless men.
My daughter works in Byker will get her 2 ask around.
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Hi Claire,
I`ve been in hospital for a week and forgot to ask my daughter if she had any info on Lord Raglan pub yet but will chase it up. Did u find the church records u needed?
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Hi Slogger
Yep, I got the certificate I wanted thanks. Its just interesting to know the church is still there, incase I ever get the chance to visit.
Thanks for asking your daughter aboutn the pub, don't worry that you forgot!! Sorry to hear you have been in hospital, I hope you are feeling better, or just happy to be out.
Claire
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AngelFish,
Just a little on St Anthony of Padua, Roman Catholic Church in Walker.
In 1800s the term "Parish" only applied to a patch of land that was ecclesiastically "controlled" by a Church ( of England). Other denominations ( referred to then as "non-conformists"), did not use the term "Parish".
St Anthony of Padua (RC) started in 1860 and is still going.
Maybe why, it does not get a mention on Genuki, is that Genuki describes the hierarchy of Churches of England, it simlpy lists other churches and says where there can be viwed.
Also St Anthony of Padua's church records were only offered up to Tyne&Wear Archives for copying, within last 18 months or so ( a long story... but not here ! ).
On a geographical basis, St Anthony of P, lay within the territory of the Parish of Longbenton ( C of E )
Parish of Longbenton ( like all parishes) was sub-divided into "Townships", Longbenton village itself, Killingworth, Weetslade and Walker. So Longbenton Parish went right down to the bank of the Tyne, between the Parishes of All Saints, Newcastle and of Wallsend.
All BMDs within Longbenton Parish were required to be registered within the District Register Office of Tynemouth
( but shoe leather could be saved... Tynemouth DRO was divided into Sub-District Register Offices, 7 of them, and one was at Longbenton village.
And I will finish this ramble on the fact that many censuses record a person's " Parish( C of E ) of birth" and not a
" Place of Birth".
Michael Dixon,
Blyth ( with one half in Horton Parish and other half in Earsdon Parish.. in C19th terms)
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Just a correction St. Anthony of Padua RC, was built in 1860 in the Parish of Walker not Longbenton. As Walker became a Parish in it's own right in 1848 when Christ Church C of E was built, the Parish Church of Walker.
Walker never belonged to Longbenton. Until 1715 it was owned by individuals. Then the Corporation of Newcastle upon Tyne bought the Lordship or Manor of Walker from the executors of William Dickenson for £12,200. Then in 1904 by an Act of Parliament, it became part (Suburb) of Newcastle upon Tyne.
On BDMs, all certificates pertaining to Walker are now held at the Civic Centre, Newcastle upon Tyne.
On St. Anthony of Padua, it has changed a lot from when I was married there.
John G. 8)
Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne
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John G,
The History of Longbenton Parish ( on www.genuki.com) still says that Longbenton Parish covered down to the River Tyne and one of it's "townships" was Walker.
And between 1837 and 1930, all BMDs that happened in Walker and in the entire Longbenton Parish were recorded within the District Register of Tynemouth.
Today some of these BMD records may well be held at the Newcastle Civic Centre. ( Some other BMDS that happened in other parts of Longbenton are today held at North Shields DRO).
But if someone was trying to trace a BMD, say in late 1800s, that took place in Walker, it would still be listed under Tynemouth DRO, not Newcastle DRO, in General Record Office Indexes.
Michael Dixon
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Dear Michael,
Sorry to say Genuki is wrong, I have copy of Deeds & other records that state Manor or Lordship of Walker. Never a Township.
The definition of "Parish" Subdivision of Diocese, having it's own church and clergyman". So once Walker got it's own Church & Clergyman it was no longer part of Longbenton Parish. And Longbenton Parish no longer went to the River Tyne from 1848.
As for BDMs, I said pertaining to Walker. I never mentioned other parts Longbenton BDMS. Under Civil Registration states the area is divided between North Tyneside & Newcastle Registration Districts.
Of course, if you were checking for BDM in the GRO, Walker would be listed under Tynemouth. And if you applied for certificate from Southport, you would state that. But if you wanted to get the certificate personally. Then you will go to the Civic Centre, Newcastle.
John G. 8)
Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne
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John,
Just another couple of angles where Walker and Longbenton are linked ( I know nothing about " ownership")
If one was looking for someone in Walker on the 1851 Census, one short-cut would be to locate the series of Surname Indexes Booklets, published by the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society ( I use the set in Blyth Library... there is also one in Newcastle City Library, second floor, and also in Tyne & Wear Archives, Blandford Square) ... and find the listing of the target together with the census ref number to enable a quick look-up of the appropriate census page....
But there are about 50 different booklets for Northumberland... and in which one would Walker folk appear ?... the Longbenton Booklet, alongside folk from Weetslade, Killingworth and Longbenton itself.
On to the 1881 Census... if I was looking on FamilySearch for say Allan and Catherine Mc Lean, whose youngest , Hugh was born in Walker in Feb 1881, in Fisher Street, close to Hunter's Tile Sheds, I would fairly easily find the household, but I would be puzzled as Walker does not figure in the census address, but Longbenton does.
In fact if I used the pull -down menu on the search page, for all the places in Northumberland, Walker is just not listed.
So even up to 1881, Longbenton has some connection to Walker.
Even my home town Blyth the biggest around that area by far, did not rate on 1881 or even on 1901 as a census place , a bit of it referred to as Cowpen, another as Horton and another as Newsham.
Michael Dixon
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Dear Michael,
You are splitting hairs on the 1851 Index books. Check the actual 1851 Census of Walker, and it has Ecclesiastical District Walker. Village of Walker Iron Works & Wincomblee, Walker Oil Mill & Low Walker.
1861 Census no mention of Longbenton except the Registrar Sub District. Village-Walker
1871 Census is the same 1861.
1891 Census.-Walker
As for the 1881 Census are you saying that Walker does not exist. Check the Actual 1881 census Records it definitely does.
The only connection of Longbenton to Walker after 1848 is the Registrar's Sub District.
All Leases were issued by Newcastle Corporation from 1723, even when Walker was in the parish of Longbenton & still issued Leases after Walker became a parish in it's right. Lonbenton had no jurisdiction over Walker affairs, except in the Church prior to 1848.
Check St. Batholomew's, Longbenton, and where a baptism or death occurred it gives an area or address & it mentions Walker, not Longbenton. Example; Sharpers House Farm, Walker.
I think enough has been said on this matter, as it looks you will not accept what I have been trying to explain to you. So be it.
But I live in Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne. Not Longbenton.
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hello there.
i live in the walker area, just up the road from all the churches mentioned, i can confirm that:
st anthonys of padua is still there ( catholic)
st anthonys of egypt is still there ( c of e) mother was married there and she is not catholic.
the lord raglan pub was demolished easily 10 years ago.
there is also christ church (walker parish church) in walker and that is c of e.
i hope this helps
regards
michael
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Hi. Sorry to dredge up an old post... ;D
Hello Claire
There are two churches of St Anthony in the Walker/St Anthony's area of Newcastle upon Tyne:
1. St Anthony of Egypt (Church of England), Belmont Street. This is near Pottery Bank;
2. St Anthony of Padua (Roman Catholic), Church Street/Welbeck Road.
Wallsend is a different town, adjoining Walker and is part of North Tyneside MBC.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Rob
I also have a 1866 marriage cert listing "Married in the Saint Anthonys Catholic Church Walker" for Patrick KEIRVEN and Margaret TOBAN. Both were irish catholics. So I'm assuming that this is the (grey stone) St Anthony of Padua on Welbeck Rd, not the (red brick) St Anthony of Egypt way down in Pottery Bank. I can't find the Victoria St they lived on just after the marriage, but in 1991 they were over in Fisher St.
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St Anthony of Padua Roman Catholic Church is addressed as Church Street, Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE6 3BT. Put NE6 3BT in google maps and it's there.
Also visit www.stapca.org.uk for the Community Association's website.
We are celebrating 150 years this year.
Longbenton was the original eccliastical district as the church and Walker was nothing but farmland before mining and other industries began pre 1840's.
Most older records of BDM were registered in the Tynemouth registry. IF you were born in 1900 this is the registry you would see the name against. Although copies are available from National sources they are most likely found in the current district office of North Shields. The Stag line building on Howard Street. This is where I registered my Mother's Death although I reside in Wallsend.
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Thank you both very much for your replies.
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Sorry the link I posted was wrong.
It is www.stapca.co.uk
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Hi Slogger,
Thanks for your post, it is helpful. :)
My Gran also has talked about Pottery Bank. There was a pub there called the Lord Raglin Inn, she said it was still there in the 1970's put I haven't found any trace of it on the www.
Claire
The Pub was called The Lord Raglan but was commonly known as The Bank my father drank there for years.
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Hi, The Lord Raglan was on Felling View, it closed down in 1980, just along the road was the Ellison Arms, that closed in 1980 as well to make way for new housing.
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Thank you for taking the time to reply about that :)
Now I know where it was I might be able to try to find a photograph!
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There's a pic of a 'Lord Raglan' pub at Newcastle library :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/newcastlelibraries/4079307457/
regards,
Trini.
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wow thank you all so much for your help. My Great G G Grandmother was a Beerhouse Keeper at the Lord Raglan around 1900, my Grandma told me and could remember it still being there. Thank you :)