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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Berkshire => England => Berkshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: LyndeR on Monday 22 November 10 07:45 GMT (UK)
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:) Hi i am need help with this lady ..please
Her name is mary ann middleton b 1859 cookham
father william,mother ann shepherd..married thomas williamson england,not sure where..emigrated to australia not sure when,second marriage john hunter,children to both
died australia..would some one be able to fill in some gapes please...
this lady is my great grandmother,if i can find some more data on her i should be able to do the rest as most of her family will be in australia..
i have not been able to find any dates when she left england ..
there was talk within the family because she used her mothers maiden name of shepherd on many occassions,she may have been transported,along with first husband,but this is only presumed,as stories can be within families..
would appreciate any help ..thanking you cheers Lynne
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Sounds like you need to follow her through all the censuses if poss to narrow down dates.
Her marriage to Thomas isn't obvious on Free BMD.
In 1861 they are Cookham
William Middleton 34 head Ag Lab b Cookham
Ann Middleton 29 wife b Burnham Bucks
William Middleton 3 son b Cookham
Mary A Middleton 2 dau b Cookham
RG9/754 folio 104 page 23
Carol
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Hello thank you for this,i will do as you suggest, :)
,i have now taken out a month sub with ancestry,so i maybe able to get more data now...As its only a month,i will start tomorrow and work like crazy ,i was only getting limited data before,so now i am hoping i can narrow down my search ..cheers Lynne
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In 1871 they have been mistranscribed as Middlesea,but corrected by someone.
Still in Cookham
William Middleton head 46 farm labourer - all born Cookham this time!
Ann Middleton wife 38
William son 13 farm boy
Mary A dau 12
Lodgers...
George Nunes unm 19 farm labourer
William Brother unm 16 "
James Bowller unm 19 "
RG10/1293 folio 17 page 25
Carol
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Where did you get mother's maiden name of Shepherd? I can't see a marriage for a Wm Middleton and Ann shepherd. FreeBMD has a marriage Dec Q 1854, Cookham 2c 753, between Wm Middleton and Anne Warwick. Family Search pilot site has a baptism 27/7/1832 Burnham Anne Warwick father Harry, mother Sarah.
Doesn't help with Mary Ann...........
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Alison-we're looking for a mid 1850's marriage for a William Middleton and Ann someone...........not a Williamson ;)
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Oops, have editted! :)
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Hello :)
I hope i havent confused the issue,
my great grandmother was mary ann middleton,born 1859..cookham berk...her father william middleton,...her mother ann shepherd....
mary ann (legal or not legal)we do not know for sure, first married thomas williamson,as there were williamson children..
mary ann then legally married john hunter in australia QLD BMD..there were.children to this marriage as well..her death 1935 CAIRNS QLD BMD.
we have not been able to establish when she left england or on which ship,but there were times we have found she used her mother's maiden sur- name,which was "shepherd"which she frequently would use... mary ann shepherd, for eg. when she had children...(not middleton as it should have been)
for a long time the family was to the understanding her maiden name was shepherd,it was only after death.her death cert showed ,her father as middleton and mother shepherd.obtained from other papers she had..
we now wonder what her reason was for doing this...
some family members have suggested maybe she was transported..for some reason
we are looking into this but so far have not been able to find anything..of this nature..but will continue to look..
thank you all for your help it is appreciated very much..cheers Lynne ;)
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No Lynne you haven't confused things,but we are saying we cannot find a marriage of her parents ,to prove that her mum was Ann Shepherd.
Alison asked earlier tonight where did you get that maiden name from?
I still insist that you need to find her on as many censuses as possible and then also find when she arrives in Oz,so we can narrow down when she left here to travel out there.
I cannot find her in 1881(which is free to search)- wonder if anyone else can find the Middleton family?
Carol
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Mary Ann was still in the UK in 1871- hadn't they stopped transporting people by then?
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Transportation from Britain/Ireland officially ended in 1868 although it had become uncommon several years earlier
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FreeBMD Deaths Mar Q 1880
William Middleton, 54, Cookham 2C 312
1881 Cannon Farm? RG11/1317 Fo37 P 13
Ann Middleton, W, 52. Cook, Burnham
1881 Telland House, Ray Park RG11/1316 Fo49 P15
William H Middleton, 23, Coachman, Cookham
The only Mary Ann I can find is.................
14 Chesham Place, Richmond RG11/845 Fo83 P32
Mary A Davies, 22, Cookham Dean (married to Timothy Davies)
FreeBMD marriages Sep Q 1879
Mary Ann Middleton/Timothy Davies Richmond, S. 2c 503
Checked 1891/1901/1911 census, they, and a large brood are on them.
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:) Gosh i am having trouble with my computer today,again
its so slow again,i rang my daughter and hers is same,oh we have lots of trouble in this area..anyway,...i have found some things
i have been onto the local data base,and i found thomas williamson's father and mother...,father is edward williamson,the mother is elizabeth tyson,on thomas's death notice..does't say where born though...
.he died 1885/c2431,same year as last son edwin williamson 1885/c4587 was born..in QLD AUSTRALIA..
can't find any marriage of mary ann / to thomas williamson in australia..under shepherd or middleton,so will now try somewhere else..
i have yet to go and try passenger list arrivals ..although i did try immigration and travel briefly and up popped a thomas williamson, landing in cooktown QLD aUSTRALIA ,i have yet to go back and search thoroughly...
i did a search and found a thomas williamson b 1858 goole yorkshire..father edward/ mother elizabeth with bros..in the 1871 census ..so will investigate this more....i do appreciate the help,you have obtained,i have printed it out and will now try peicing things together and see what i can put
together...
cheers Lynne
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Mary Ann was still in the UK in 1871- hadn't they stopped transporting people by then?
Believe it or not you didn't have to be a criminal to go to Australia.
Local papers in the late C19th and early C20th often had adverts trying to presuade folk to emigrate.
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There's a tree on Ancestry that has Mary Ann Middleton's mother as Ann Warwick, and also has her (the mother) remarrying an Ezekial Collins in 1882. Don't know how reliable it is of course.
There are quite a lot of Mary Ann Middletons - are you sure you have the right one? How do you know she was born in Cookham? I think you need to get the birth certicate of the Cookham one.
Jan/Mar 1859 Cookham 9c 491
There's also one born in Goole!
Oct/Dec 1859 9c 491
Anne
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mary ann middleton,born 1859..cookham berk...her father william middleton,...her mother ann shepherd....
mary ann (legal or not legal)we do not know for sure, first married thomas williamson,as there were williamson children..
Can I just pick up on these points? We need to be sure we follow the right Mary Ann Middleton - and the one we have found so far seems to have a mother Ann nee Warwick.
So - from the quote above - firstly what is the source of her birth year and place as 1859 Cookham for YOUR Mary Ann ?
Secondly what is the source of her maiden name Shepherd?
Thirdly can you explain "there were Williamson children " a bit more fully- where were there? What children? how do you know they were hers?
Also, when she married John Hunter in Australia, did she marry as Shepherd or WIlliamson, and did she say she was a spinster, widow, or what?
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There is a Middleton/Shepherd connection in Cookham, where there seem to be quite a few Shepherds but not so many Middletons.
In 1861 there is a John Sheppard (62) with a wife Lucy (52), a laundress born Bray. With them is Elizabeth Middleton born Cookham, daughter-in-law, aged 21. I think this means step-daughter.
In 1851 Lucy Middleton widow aged 43, laundress born Bray has several children including Elizabeth (11) born Cookham.
In 1841 Lucy and Henry Middleton and their children including Elizabeth (1) are in Cookham.
Lucy Middleton and John Sheppard married in Mar 1861, Cookham RD.
William Middleton father of Mary Ann born 1859 could, and I do stress could belong to the Lucy/Henry family . He is living as a farm servant away from home in 1841 and 1851.
One hypothesis might be that Lynne's Mary Ann Middleton/Sheppard is the illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Middleton, named for William's child, and born after 1861. That would explain the alternative names.
We do need to know the source and reliability of the information Lynne has given us though.