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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: chiplassie on Sunday 21 November 10 16:10 GMT (UK)
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Hello all:
I am wondering if anyone who ties in to Dinah (Berry) Strange, buried in the St Andrews cemetery Wickham Skeith would have any more details on her family.
I am still stuck with my Richard Strange/Strainge ( also buried there) who claimed in 1861 he was born Redlingfield Suffolk. A search of the Redlingfield records turned up a Dinah/ Dinea Strainge born to Dinah and John Strange. This would have been Dinah Berry. Their other children were born/ chr Wilby Suffolk. I think I have exhausted Wilby and surrounding parishes as well.
I have contacted an individual looking after the cemetery to determine whether my Richard was buried near Dinah, but that didn't turn up anything either.
Anyone with connections or other ideas greatly appreciated.
CL in Canada
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hello CL
Had a quick look at what i have for you.
I have found the burial of Dinah Strainge (late Berry) 31 Oct 1806 ag 63 Wickham Skeith. Abode Wilby.
There is a Dinah Berry (late Jenks) widow buried Wickham Skeith 12 Jun 1803 ag 79 & a John Berry buried at Redlingfield 6 Feb 1790 so presumably these are her parents.
Couldn't see much else but there is Jenks activity in Mendlesham just south of Wickham Skeith.
As for Richard Strange - there are 2 on the 1851C Richard c1774 living in Wickham Skeith stating he was born Wickham Skeith (1861C has him living in the Eye Union WH - stating Redlingfield) & Richard Strange c 1792 Inn Keeper & Matilda c1793 living at the Swan Inn, Stuston. Both give Wickham Skeith as their place of birth.
Richard & Matilda were married in Wickham Skeith on 15 Jun 1819 - Richard giving his parish as Westhorpe.
I hope there may be something here that helps.
K2
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Hello K2;
Thank you for the information. My Richard Strange is the one in 1851 in W.S. and in the Eye WH in 1861. Sorry I had failed to mention his dob. I have been trying to verify if Dinah Berry Strange buried in WS is his mother as they were both buried there. Possibly not as it seems her mother being buried there may be the connection.
I appreciate the help.
CL
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Don't know if you have the following marriage from Boyds index.
1764 / STRANG JN /BERRY DINAH / WINGFIELD /SUFFOLK
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Thanks, I do have it as I have searched Wingfield and numerous other parishes.
CL
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I trace my maternal Berry lineage back to the marriage of Robert Berry and Elizabeth Francis in WS in 1769.
What I find very surprising here is that someone living in Wilby would be buried in WS. Although 15km apart, there were quite a few parishes in between.
CL - do you have any idea what the connection to WS may have been?
Justin
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Justin;
I wasn't aware of the actual distance from Wilby, but it is interesting to consider. Thank you for that. Dinah's daughter Elizabeth, a spinster from Wilby was buried there after her mother. Her son John and his family were also affiliated with this parish, so that may be part of it.
CL
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Willing to have a look around the cemetery if your think there may be stones.
The weather will have to improve mind you, so it could be April!
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Sorry it took a while for a reply. I had to check some research I had done. I had asked a kind lady who looks after the churchyard about the location of the various Strange family stones. I was hoping to prove or disprove a relationship. It seems my Richard and Mary would not have had a stone. However, Dinah Strange and her daughter Elizabeth Strange may have had stones. If it isn't too much trouble I would appreciate a check for these people. Don't make a special trip in any weather.
Thank you kindly for the offer,
CL ;)
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Here is list of the Archive records of the Berry family of Suffolk, you will notice that they moved around a little.
Selection of "Berry" family Suffolk Archival information. You will notice that many events occur in the Bermuda Triangle of the
Stonham Aspall, Stonham Parva/Little Stonham, Bacton, Debenham Wetheringsett, Cotton, Gislingham, Yaxley, Mendlesham, Wickham Skeith, Great Thornham/Thornham Magna, Little Thornham, Thornham Parva, Eye & Thorndon!
All within walking distance!
Be aware that that the "Berry" surname for a women may not necessarily be their maiden name!
Settlement certificate; Robert Berry and Elizabeth Berry with their three children, Thorndon
MENDLESHAM PARISH RECORDS
Apprenticeship indenture
Lewis Berry son to John Berry shoemaker to John Whatling shoemaker of Denham. THORNDON PARISH RECORDS
(Examination); Jemima Berry residing in Wingfield, widow.
WINGFIELD PARISH RECORDS
Examination of Elijah Berry, singleman.
SIBTON PARISH RECORDS
Eliza Berry, singlewoman, from Rochford (Ess.) to Debenham 22 Aug.1829
DEBENHAM PARISH RECORDS
Nathaniel Berry, wife Elizabeth, and daughters Elizabeth and Mila, of Thorndon 10 June 1779
DEBENHAM PARISH RECORDS
Settlement certificate; Gilbert Berry, Mary, his wife, and Ann and Susan, their children, of Haughley. 29 October 1751
COTTON PARISH RECORDS
Churchwardens' account of William Last and Nathaniel Berry
BACTON PARISH RECORDS
Settlement certificate; Jane Berry, singlewoman, Little Stonham
MENDLESHAM PARISH RECORDS
Warrant to apprehend John Berry reputed father of a bastard child of Susan Adams
OCCOLD PARISH RECORDS
Bastardy maintenance order; for male child of Maria Berry by Seth Land of Gislingham, labourer
GISLINGHAM PARISH RECORDS
Verdict of the Quarter Sessions court, against the appeal of the parishioners of Gt. Thornham, for the removal of John Berry and his family from Yaxley to Thornham Parva.
The court confirms, the removal and orders the parishioners of Gt. Thornham to pay the cost sustained by overseers of Yaxley.. YAXLEY PARISH RECORDS
George Berry to Edward Watkins, Monewden, farmer, 6th July, 1820, with certificate of Justices dated 4th July, 1820.
MONEWDEN PARISH RECORDS.
Probate copy will of Charlotte Berry of Stonham Aspall, widow
RECORDS OF ROUSE FAMILY...
Settlement certificate; William Berry, labourer, Susanna his wife, Semmon, Jonathon, Elizabeth and Ann their children, Denham
HOXNE PARISH RECORDS
Settlement certificate; Daniel Berry and Sarah his wife, Wenhaston
METFIELD PARISH RECORDS
Articles of agreement between Samuel Leman, Jefferey Pearle, Joseph Chilver, jun. and John Roper, jun. highway surveyors of Hoxne, and John Ayton and Richard Berry, highway surveyors for Wingfield
Concerning maintenance of part of road from Hoxne to Wingfield, between Chickering Pound westward to corner of piece of land called the Slades, eastward, being the common boundary between the two parishes.. WINGFIELD PARISH RECORDS
John Berry to Henry Smith, Monewden, farmer, 6th April, 1820, with certificate of Justices dated 4th April, 1820.
MONEWDEN PARISH RECORDS.
Disbursements by William Last and Nathaniel Berry, churchwardens, for the two trials between Bacton and Cotton
BACTON PARISH RECORDS
Settlement certificate; William Berry, Susan his wife and their child, Little Stonham, 30 Dec. 1754.
With memorandum that this was granted by J.P.'s. MENDLESHAM PARISH RECORDS
Bond; Joseph Francis the Elder and Joseph Francis the Younger, both of Cotton, farmers, to churchwardens and overseers to indemnify parish from bastard child of Jane Berry of Little Stonham, singlewoman
MENDLESHAM PARISH RECORDS
Bastardy maintenance order for female child of Mary Berry by Thomas Lockwood late of Gislingham
GISLINGHAM PARISH RECORDS
William Berry to William Pitts, Monewden, farmer, 9th July, 1818, with certificate of Justices dated 1st July, 1818.
MONEWDEN PARISH RECORDS.
Brief for prosecution of Robert Marshall, farmer of Wortham against James Berry, Henry Howard and James Cock for stealing wheat
WORTHAM PARISH RECORDS
Albert Berry with Maria Howe, boot & shoemaker.
EYE BOROUGH RECORDS
Removal order; Mary Berry, Badingham to Brandeston, 19th November, 1774.
BRANDESTON PARISH RECORDS
Order to maintain a female child born to Mary Berry, singlewoman 18 Sept.1799
DEBENHAM PARISH RECORDS
Thomas Berry and Mary Mirrington, both of Wyverstone, and single persons
WYVERSTONE PARISH RECORDS
Daniel Berry receipt for sick insurance policy with the Diss Provident Society.
STONHAM ASPAL PARISH...
Deposition of John Knighting jun of Ilketshall St Andrew, cordwainer re confession of John Alldred late of Ringsfield to robbery at house of James Berry of Ringsfield, farmer
Order for Elijah Berry to pay towards the maintenance of a male bastard child of Charlotte Kerridge
RICKINGHALL SUPERIOR
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Examination of Elijah Berry, singleman.
SIBTON PARISH RECORDS
Eliza Berry, singlewoman, from Rochford (Ess.) to Debenham 22 Aug.1829
DEBENHAM PARISH RECORDS
Nathaniel Berry, wife Elizabeth, and daughters Elizabeth and Mila, of Thorndon 10 June 1779
DEBENHAM PARISH RECORDS
Settlement certificate; Gilbert Berry, Mary, his wife, and Ann and Susan, their children, of Haughley. 29 October 1751
COTTON PARISH RECORDS
Churchwardens' account of William Last and Nathaniel Berry
BACTON PARISH RECORDS
Settlement certificate; Jane Berry, singlewoman, Little Stonham
MENDLESHAM PARISH RECORDS
Warrant to apprehend John Berry reputed father of a bastard child of Susan Adams
OCCOLD PARISH RECORDS
Bastardy maintenance order; for male child of Maria Berry by Seth Land of Gislingham, labourer
GISLINGHAM PARISH RECORDS
Verdict of the Quarter Sessions court, against the appeal of the parishioners of Gt. Thornham, for the removal of John Berry and his family from Yaxley to Thornham Parva.
The court confirms, the removal and orders the parishioners of Gt. Thornham to pay the cost sustained by overseers of Yaxley.. YAXLEY PARISH RECORDS
George Berry to Edward Watkins, Monewden, farmer, 6th July, 1820, with certificate of Justices dated 4th July, 1820.
MONEWDEN PARISH RECORDS.
Probate copy will of Charlotte Berry of Stonham Aspall, widow
RECORDS OF ROUSE FAMILY...
Settlement certificate; William Berry, labourer, Susanna his wife, Semmon, Jonathon, Elizabeth and Ann their children, Denham
HOXNE PARISH RECORDS
Settlement certificate; Daniel Berry and Sarah his wife, Wenhaston
METFIELD PARISH RECORDS
Articles of agreement between Samuel Leman, Jefferey Pearle, Joseph Chilver, jun. and John Roper, jun. highway surveyors of Hoxne, and John Ayton and Richard Berry, highway surveyors for Wingfield
Concerning maintenance of part of road from Hoxne to Wingfield, between Chickering Pound westward to corner of piece of land called the Slades, eastward, being the common boundary between the two parishes.. WINGFIELD PARISH RECORDS
John Berry to Henry Smith, Monewden, farmer, 6th April, 1820, with certificate of Justices dated 4th April, 1820.
MONEWDEN PARISH RECORDS.
Disbursements by William Last and Nathaniel Berry, churchwardens, for the two trials between Bacton and Cotton
BACTON PARISH RECORDS
Settlement certificate; William Berry, Susan his wife and their child, Little Stonham, 30 Dec. 1754.
With memorandum that this was granted by J.P.'s. MENDLESHAM PARISH RECORDS
Bond; Joseph Francis the Elder and Joseph Francis the Younger, both of Cotton, farmers, to churchwardens and overseers to indemnify parish from bastard child of Jane Berry of Little Stonham, singlewoman
MENDLESHAM PARISH RECORDS
Bastardy maintenance order for female child of Mary Berry by Thomas Lockwood late of Gislingham
GISLINGHAM PARISH RECORDS
William Berry to William Pitts, Monewden, farmer, 9th July, 1818, with certificate of Justices dated 1st July, 1818.
MONEWDEN PARISH RECORDS.
Brief for prosecution of Robert Marshall, farmer of Wortham against James Berry, Henry Howard and James Cock for stealing wheat
WORTHAM PARISH RECORDS
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Albert Berry with Maria Howe, boot & shoemaker.
EYE BOROUGH RECORDS
Removal order; Mary Berry, Badingham to Brandeston, 19th November, 1774.
BRANDESTON PARISH RECORDS
Order to maintain a female child born to Mary Berry, singlewoman 18 Sept.1799
DEBENHAM PARISH RECORDS
Thomas Berry and Mary Mirrington, both of Wyverstone, and single persons
WYVERSTONE PARISH RECORDS
Daniel Berry receipt for sick insurance policy with the Diss Provident Society.
STONHAM ASPAL PARISH...
Deposition of John Knighting jun of Ilketshall St Andrew, cordwainer re confession of John Alldred late of Ringsfield to robbery at house of James Berry of Ringsfield, farmer
Order for Elijah Berry to pay towards the maintenance of a male bastard child of Charlotte Kerridge
RICKINGHALL SUPERIOR
Removal order
John Berry, and Mary, his wife, from Yaxley to Gt. Thornham
Settlement certificate
Richard Berry, Rose his wife and their child, Eye. THORNDON PARISH RECORDS
Removal order
William Berry and Mary his wife, from Yaxley to Mendham.. YAXLEY PARISH RECORDS
Apprenticeship indenture
Robert Berry, a poor boy, placed apprentice to John Goddard of Wickham Skeith, to learn husbandry.
Settlement certificate
William Berry, and Mary, his wife, of Mendham.. YAXLEY PARISH RECORDS
Removal order
Phillip Berry to Cotton. RICKINGHALL SUPERIOR..
Settlement certificate
Thomas Berry, and Elizabeth, his wife, and Ann, Thomas, Elizabeth and Jemima, their children, of Wetheringsett with Brockford.. THORNHAM PARVA PARISH...
Settlement certificate
William Berry, Sarah his wife, with William, Robert, John, James and Summon their sons, Denham. WORLINGWORTH PARISH
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A Dinah Berry was buried WS June 12 1803 aged 79, her maiden name was Jenks
A Robert Berry marrried Elizabeth Houchin
another Robert, married twice Ann Larner & Mary Cutten (a widow)
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There were other girls called Dinah Berry
Born Wickham Skeith 1760
Born Wickham Skeith 1788
Born Thornham Magna 1800
Born 1764 nee Freeman - married Richard Berry
Born 1724 nee Jenks - married ? Berrry
Born TM 1758 nee Lummis - married William Berry
Baptised Wickham Skieth 1778
Baptised Thornham Magna 1800
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Dulverton. Was it you who said about Gypies ? If so I found this, If you Type (Berry Family Wickham Skeith Gypies) into your search engine then go to the third one down, 1881 cencus Hawkers born Suffolk:. Roman Gypsy Connections: Alfred Berry ,Bc 1831 Wickham Skeith Suffolk England Head Wickham Skeith Suffolk. Frederick Gissing Frederick, mary Ann Bc 1865 Theberton, Suffolk, England son Friston Suffolk. John Gissing Frederick, Mary Ann Bc 1867 Theberton Suffolk England son Friston Suffolk. Have I got it all wrong please help. Thanking you. Let me know what you think. ???
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Thank you for your message, but I am still unable to ascertain the gipsy link!
I have the full history of the two Alfred’s born in the district within two years of each other.
As this one born c1831 did not marry and had no known children born to him, it appears that the line has ended!
Am I missing a trick here?
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The Roman Gypsy Connections site shows an extract of people with the "Rank, Profession or Occupation" of "Hawker" taken from the 1881 E&W census lists.
The Romany & Traveller FHS has name lists but with not much commonality with RGC list.
I think that the list is misleading a great many people.
I do not believe that all "hawkers" are gypsies, take Michael Marx for instance, certainly a hawker but no gypsy!
Country people used to call such people "Didikoi or Diddicoy" when I was young. The OED definition is slang- "intinerant traveller, Gypsy or Romany", which I expect will now be deemed as inaccurate!
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Hi,
In the Chelmsford area of Essex where I was born and raised the Romany people were called Gypsies or Romanies and non Romany travellers Diddicoys.
I often wondered about the origin of the word Diddicoy and the other week I found a post on RootsChat which gave me that origin, the post can be found here:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,590236.0.html
One of my great aunts was a Romany, she married my paternal grandmother's brother 8)
Regards.
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Thank you both Dolverton Findem. I know more about Gypies now. Perhaps Alfred Berry was someone who went around selling things door to door. Thank you.
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These marriages may help (excuse formatting):
D of M Groom Given Groom Surname Status Bride Given/SurnameBride Status
26/01/1697 Philip BERRY Alice ADAMS
14/12/1699 William BERRY Elizabeth POTTER
15/11/1757 William Berry single Sarah GOOCH single
16/10/1769 Robert BERRY bachelor Elizabeth FRANCES spinster
10/11/1773 Robert BERRY bachelor Ann LARNER spinster
12/01/1774 John BERRY widower Jane TROTMAN widow
16/10/1775 Richard BERRY single Esther POTTER single
04/11/1796 Robert BERRY widower Mary CUTTEN widow
05/11/1799 Joseph Berry bachelor Sarah CUTTING spinster
04/01/1801 Samuel BERRY single Sarah BARRET widow
26/11/1806 Nathaniel BERRY bachelor Sarah OLLERTON spinster
8/07/1733 John BERRY Elizabeth Potter
29/9/1733 John BERRY Elizabeth Clarke
17/10/1733 John BERRY Mary Bentham
12/4/1808 Thomas Berry Mary Leabon
05/01/1777 John ARBING single Mary BERRY single
04/10/1769 John BABBOCK single Mary BERRY single
21/10/1695 Thomas DALE Elizabeth BERRY
12/11/1772 William FREEMAN batchelor ElizabethBERRY spinster
19/10/1757 Henry HAYWARD single Elizabeth Berry spinster
17/02/1735 John HAYWARD Ann Berry
19/09/1750 William JENKS single man Elizabeth Berry single
03/11/1724 John PAKE single Elizabeth Berry single
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Thank you Dulverton for your list of marriages and I apologize for my late reply. I'm revisiting the details I used for my original query about Dinah Berry. I believe I can now put some pieces together in terms of the parishes in the triangle you also mentioned. I think I have it all in better perspective.
I hope you are still out there as your post was some time ago.
Best Wishes,
CL