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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Shailee on Saturday 20 November 10 16:52 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Very new to these boards so please I apologize If I have placed this in the wrong area.
Im rather grasping at straws now trying to find someone that may be researching the same McLarens as myself as there isnt many lines to even stem from.
Father:
Donald MacLaren b mid 1700's??? d.??????
Mother:
Marjory Gray b. 1776 Moulin d.????
daughter of Angus Gray and Isobel Small.
Child of above couple:-
Reverend John MacLaren
b.abt 1801 Moulin
d.1889 Dull, Aberfeldy buried Kenmore Cemetery
Served at Independent Church of Aberfeldy for 34 years and other stations also
m. Elisabeth Fisher in 1840 Dull. -----her mother was Elisabeth Macleran
b. 1818 Dunkeld
d.1895
Rev. and Elisabeth had 3 children
Elisabeth
b.1842 - d. 1921 -------Never married nor had children
John Donald
b. 1844 Aberfeldy - d. 1912 New South Wales, Australia
Marjory
b. 1847 - d.1930---- Never married or had children also
Ive traced all children on census stayed at that same place most of their life in their parents home called Joy Cottage aka 47 Kenmore St aka Indpt Square Aberfeldy also.
I have most records from OPR to Stat Records, I just want to find someone else who is researching the same family in this early time era to join works or find extra information about the Rev his parents Donald and Marjory as I never found their births marriage or deaths.
Or even Revs mother in law Elisabeth Macleran
Anyone out there that has something that may interest me they have on this family or a connection back in Scotland?
Simone
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Simone,
I have no connection with your family, but I was interested in your references to the Independent (or Congregational) Church of Aberfeldy. The first minister of the Congregational Church was Dr James Kennedy who acquired a house in The Square in 1810, and there is a sketch of this building in Dr Mackay's book entitled Aberfeldy Past and Present. Initially, the congregation had to meet in a ground floor room of this house, until a new chapel was built nearby in 1820, after which the house in the Square continued to serve as the manse for over 50 years. However, in 1877 work was started on building a new church on the site of the manse, and for 30 years the ministers of the Independent Church had no 'official' residence until a new manse was acquired on Kenmore Street.
I mention this because I think you will find that the addresses on the Censuses you mention are not necessarily the same building. Certainly 47 Kenmore Street is not the same as The Square Aberfeldy. I don't know about Joy Cottage. Perhaps the Rev John went to Aberfeldy while there was still a manse in The Square, and then had to move elsewhere when the new church was built in 1877?
David.
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Since this last post I had a lovely lady from this area helping me fill in alot of gaps now
Joy Cottage was in fact St Ivy Cottage on Kenmore St/Rd
The Old Congregational Church that the Reverend John McLaren served in is now today the Tourist office.
Reverend John McLaren's wife Elizabeth Fisher came from a well known North Perthshire Family of
Hoteliers.
Her father had the Royal Hotel in Dunkeld. Her brother Donald had Fisher's
Hotel here in Pitlochry from 1853 Another brother John had the Bridge of
Tilt Hotel in Blair Atholl and yet another brother had a hotel in Braemar.
Fisher's Hotel is still well known in Pitlochry, indeed throughout Scotland
Elizabeth Fishers mother was a Elizabeth McLaren her father Donald/Daniel Fisher
Elizabeth Fisher Nee McLaren died 12 Nov 1857 she is the daughter of a John McLaren and a Elizabeth McGlashan
As of now Im still searching for anyone that is from either of these McLaren lines
Donald McLaren and Marjory Gray
their son Rev. John Mclaren born approx 1801 Moulin whom married Elizabeth Fisher daughter of below Elizabeth Fisher/McLaren
or Rev. mother in law McLaren side
John McLaren and Elizabeth McGlashan
their daughter Elizabeth McLaren whom married Donald/Daniel Fisher
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Hi Shailee,
Your references to the Fisher family are interesting. I am researching Fisher's Hotel in Pitlochry, and would be interested to know where you found out that Donald Fisher had the hotel from 1853. From reading Colin Liddell's recent book on the history of Pitlochry, I thought that it would have been in the 1860s when Donald Fisher took over.
David.
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Im still very new to this board unsure if I can paste links here but google Daniel Fisher Royal Dunkeld Hotel and also I have a scan from Little Dunkeld Cemetery Inscriptions with references to Fishers and Royal Hotel and names confirming alot I had , I am also on a____y.com as I have uploaded pieces this lady has helped me with as she lives within the district but I never thought of looking at Donald as Daniel from what she has told me Donald's were also known as Daniel too
Also on Ebooks or search university of California Library and find the book Shorthorns Central and Southern Scotland Chapter 2 I think it was pages 22-27 reference to the Fishers and the Hotel and also of Shorthorns kept on one of Donald Fisher Jrs brothers hotel
If you can send me a PM with a email address I can send you a scan of the cemetery index and I also traced Donald Fisher Jr of Fishers Hotel (still standing today) his stats death I was sent Ive went ahead and bought Elizabeth Fisher (Nee McLaren's) wife of Donald/Daniel Fisher Sr
Donald Fisher you are talking about from Fishers Hotel is the son of
Donald/Daniel Fisher and Elizabeth McLaren-----also my gx5 gparents
Donald Fisher Jr married Mary Grant daughter of Robert Grant and Mary Martin her death stat also stated her father was a Hotel Keeper- dont know where or when?
He ran the Fishers Hotel his father had the Royal Hotel in Pitlochry whom also had Robert Louis Stephenson as a guest for approx 2 years while Roberts cottage was being built in Pitlochry
on every census I have found so far from 1851-1891 Donald was a Hotel Keeper
1851- Civil Parish: Caputh Town: City of Dunkeld County: Perthshire Address: Atholl Street Occupation: Hotel Keeper
with his sister Cecelia Fisher
1861- Registration district: Moulin Civil Parish: Moulin County: Perthshire Address: Perth & Inverness Rd Occupation: Hotel Hagn 25 & Farmer 130 Acres Employing 6 Acres & 2 Lab
He has my gx3gfather with him here when he is 16yo John Donald McLaren his sister Elizabeth McLaren (Fisher) son
1871 - Civil Parish: Moulin County: Perthshire Address: Inverness Road Rergal Hotel Occupation: Hotel Keepert Farmer 7 Acres 550 Arable Employing
1881 - Civil Parish: Moulin County: Perthshire Address: Inverness Road Hotel Occupation: Hotel Propr & Farmer 200 Acres 120 Arable Employing 8 Men 6 Women
Do you also have a connection to these Fishers?
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Hopefully I dont get banned for puttinga link in but found the 1853 reference on this site
http://www.fishershotelpitlochry.com/Fishers_Hotel_History.php
Hi Shailee,
Your references to the Fisher family are interesting. I am researching Fisher's Hotel in Pitlochry, and would be interested to know where you found out that Donald Fisher had the hotel from 1853. From reading Colin Liddell's recent book on the history of Pitlochry, I thought that it would have been in the 1860s when Donald Fisher took over.
David.
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in the Book Shorthorns of Central and Southern Scotland by James Cameron it also refers to 1853 also
Hi Shailee,
Your references to the Fisher family are interesting. I am researching Fisher's Hotel in Pitlochry, and would be interested to know where you found out that Donald Fisher had the hotel from 1853. From reading Colin Liddell's recent book on the history of Pitlochry, I thought that it would have been in the 1860s when Donald Fisher took over.
David.
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this link leads you to read the book online go to page 24 near the bottom
http://www.onread.com/fbreader/51378
Hi Shailee,
Your references to the Fisher family are interesting. I am researching Fisher's Hotel in Pitlochry, and would be interested to know where you found out that Donald Fisher had the hotel from 1853. From reading Colin Liddell's recent book on the history of Pitlochry, I thought that it would have been in the 1860s when Donald Fisher took over.
David.
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Hi All
Fisher’s listed in MI book for Little Dunkeld
42a Daniel FISHER hotel keeper Dunkeld 8.3.1850 63. w Eliz MacLAREN 12.11.1857 63, das: Magdaline 16.8.1822 2y & Cath 16.2.1850 33
42b by Donald Fisher Pitlochry d Forres 12.6.1903 78 w Mary GRANT 9.11.1888 56, etcetera
43 Alex Fisher , Royal Hotel Dunkeld, w Jane Isabella CONACHER 17.10.1867 35, s Alex b Dunkeld 18[5 or 6]0 d Ottawa 19.1.1912 int Beechwood cem there.
68 Donald FISHER fr Borlick 1.1811 88, s Donald 23.5.1810 65 (w Ann FISHER 29.3.1829 73, chn: Alex fr Borlick 19.10.1853, Donald fr Tuttich 27.6.1861 71 (da Margt 11.1851 16), John fr Gartenkeir 6.1.1865 77 (w Janet McKinlay d Jellyholm 25.12.1888 86, s Donald fr Jellyholm Alloa d Thornton Mains Midlothian 24.11.1900 75), Christian d Borlick 25.1.1875 77, Peter surgeon RN d Borlick 19.2.1877 84).
Wm FISHER land agent Wentworth Castle Yorkshire 1.11.1914 73 int silkstone. Thos FISHER factor Whitehill Midlothian 12.8.1921 83 int Carrington, s of John FISHER & Janet McKINLAY.
The above was taken from North Perthshire MI Book Edited by Alison Mitchell.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hate to be bothersome but could you explain the below a little bit more as it is confusing me as I am still learning new things within Scottish research and understanding these type of this would be great as I got confused on this part and understanding it all on all teh numbers I can see most are death dates? but the added number on the end?
68 Donald FISHER fr Borlick 1.1811 88, s Donald 23.5.1810 65 (w Ann FISHER 29.3.1829 73, chn: Alex fr Borlick 19.10.1853, Donald fr Tuttich 27.6.1861 71 (da Margt 11.1851 16), John fr Gartenkeir 6.1.1865 77 (w Janet McKinlay d Jellyholm 25.12.1888 86, s Donald fr Jellyholm Alloa d Thornton Mains Midlothian 24.11.1900 75), Christian d Borlick 25.1.1875 77, Peter surgeon RN d Borlick 19.2.1877 84).
Wm FISHER land agent Wentworth Castle Yorkshire 1.11.1914 73 int silkstone. Thos FISHER factor Whitehill Midlothian 12.8.1921 83 int Carrington, s of John FISHER & Janet McKINLAY.
Hi All
Fisher’s listed in MI book for Little Dunkeld
42a Daniel FISHER hotel keeper Dunkeld 8.3.1850 63. w Eliz MacLAREN 12.11.1857 63, das: Magdaline 16.8.1822 2y & Cath 16.2.1850 33
42b by Donald Fisher Pitlochry d Forres 12.6.1903 78 w Mary GRANT 9.11.1888 56, etcetera
43 Alex Fisher , Royal Hotel Dunkeld, w Jane Isabella CONACHER 17.10.1867 35, s Alex b Dunkeld 18[5 or 6]0 d Ottawa 19.1.1912 int Beechwood cem there.
68 Donald FISHER fr Borlick 1.1811 88, s Donald 23.5.1810 65 (w Ann FISHER 29.3.1829 73, chn: Alex fr Borlick 19.10.1853, Donald fr Tuttich 27.6.1861 71 (da Margt 11.1851 16), John fr Gartenkeir 6.1.1865 77 (w Janet McKinlay d Jellyholm 25.12.1888 86, s Donald fr Jellyholm Alloa d Thornton Mains Midlothian 24.11.1900 75), Christian d Borlick 25.1.1875 77, Peter surgeon RN d Borlick 19.2.1877 84).
Wm FISHER land agent Wentworth Castle Yorkshire 1.11.1914 73 int silkstone. Thos FISHER factor Whitehill Midlothian 12.8.1921 83 int Carrington, s of John FISHER & Janet McKINLAY.
The above was taken from North Perthshire MI Book Edited by Alison Mitchell.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi The numbers at the front are used as an index the numbers after date relate to the age of the deceased.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks,
So assuming right
the from 68 part is the father of Daniel Fisher? Im trying to piece this part how it works who is who to who as these names I havent seen before within my tree
Sorry to be a nuisance about this
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UPDATE since First post I have much more info since
Reverend John MacLaren was born at Tomnanean, Glenfernate, Strathardle, Perthshire
His father Donald MacLaren was a First-Rate Judge of Stock, a small farmer though
For a good read about the Reverend there is a booklet available that was published in 1924 by his daughter Marjory MacLaren titled "Unrecorded Echoes of Recorded Lives in Aberfeldy" I have a copy of anyone is interested in reading it. @davidoflincs much is said about the church if that interests you I also have a copy of Daniel/Donald Fishers will
Further more regarding Reverend John MacLarens Mother in law named Elizabeth MacLaren she was the daughter of John MacLaren and Elisabeth McGlashan her father was a Sherriff Officer as per stated on her stats death and her brother John MacLaren a Hotel Keeper according to census both John and Elisabeth were born in Dunkeldthe Hotel that it states on John Stat Death is Royal Hotel on census it states 11 high street in google maps I see the same named Hotel a few doors down on the cross street Im only assuming at this point that was the hotel he ran and address has changed over time?
John died 1870 in Blairgowie
Elisabeth died 1857 in Little Dunkeld
Parents have not found their deaths or any documentation on them as yet
regarding Reverend John MacLarens parents I was suggested that maybe his father remarried as there is a Marjory Robertson that married a Donald McLaren near his birth year a path I havent taken yet to investigate
Cant think of anything else to add for now but I have made alot of progress in small pieces of info since my first post many moons ago! :)
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Hi again Simone,
Good to know that you have been making progress. I am intrigued that you refer to that 1924 booklet by the daughter of the Rev MacLaren on "Unrecorded echoes of recorded lives in Aberfeldy".
I've noticed it mentioned in a bibliography, but have never actually seen a copy, so I would be interested to know what it was all about.
One question you may have found the answer to - what years did the Rev McLaren serve as Minister of the Independent Church in Aberfeldy? I think you said he was there for 34 years.
Regards,
David.
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Hello. I have been going through some suitcases of old photos and letters over the last five years and have eventually read through a packet of letters written by Marjory McLaren in 1929/30 to my Great grandmother. She recalls having to help out at the fisher's hotels at short notice in both Dunkeld and Pitlochry amongst other recollections of her Fisher aunts and uncles, her nieces and nephews from Australia.
They, Marjory and my great grandmother, were trying to find the family connection between the McLarens and the Forbes family and they seemingly never made the connection. Their families had been friends for many years.
I have now found a Cecilia McLaren who I am trying to link with the McLarens in this thread if anyone can help that would be great! My guess is that she was born around 1760-65.
Cecilia was the wife of Robert Forbes and they lived (and presumably worked) in the model weaving village of Spittlefield between Dunkeld and Blairgowrie. They had 3 children there between 1785 and 90, followed by 3 more in other places.
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Hello. I have been going through some suitcases of old photos and letters over the last five years and have eventually read through a packet of letters written by Marjory McLaren in 1929/30 to my Great grandmother. She recalls having to help out at the fisher's hotels at short notice in both Dunkeld and Pitlochry amongst other recollections of her Fisher aunts and uncles, her nieces and nephews from Australia.
They, Marjory and my great grandmother, were trying to find the family connection between the McLarens and the Forbes family and they seemingly never made the connection. Their families had been friends for many years.
I have now found a Cecilia McLaren who I am trying to link with the McLarens in this thread if anyone can help that would be great! My guess is that she was born around 1760-65.
Cecilia was the wife of Robert Forbes and they lived (and presumably worked) in the model weaving village of Spittlefield between Dunkeld and Blairgowrie. They had 3 children there between 1785 and 90, followed by 3 more in other places.
Hi Mark
Im assuming you are related to Marjory
The Forbes history is all very new to me I never knew of this but I did find Marjory death notice and found a oddity of American Papers were requested to copy (Australia I could understand being where her brothers family was) as I found no other connections of cousins or siblings for the Reverend John macLaren her father
would you like my email let me know and I shall msg you it privately
Regards Simone
PS you dont happen to have a picture of Marorys brother John Donald McLaren do you ?
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Hi Simone.
I am a Forbes descendant but remember my grandmother relating the story of her mother's long friendship with Marjory. Having found and read these letters, I thought it would be good to make the linkage but have not made a definitive link yet. I do not have a photo of John Donald, only one of a youngish Marjory that was in my great grandmothers possessions.
The letters are quite interesting and cover quite a lot of family relationships, with the Fishers mostly but some discussion of the Australian family. One Australian niece came over to be her companion for several years and two nephews came to stay on leave from WWI in Belgium.
I would be interested in sharing more with you so yes please let's exchange email addresses
Yours,
Mark
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Hi Simone.
I am a Forbes descendant but remember my grandmother relating the story of her mother's long friendship with Marjory. Having found and read these letters, I thought it would be good to make the linkage but have not made a definitive link yet. I do not have a photo of John Donald, only one of a youngish Marjory that was in my great grandmothers possessions.
The letters are quite interesting and cover quite a lot of family relationships, with the Fishers mostly but some discussion of the Australian family. One Australian niece came over to be her companion for several years and two nephews came to stay on leave from WWI in Belgium.
I would be interested in sharing more with you so yes please let's exchange email addresses
Yours,
Mark
Private messaged you my email Mark
Im very excited to hear about this all!