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Samuel and Mary HOOKWAY had children from 1812 in Wear Gifford
Their first child Henry's baptism appears in Family Search but the transcripts only go up to 1812
In 1841 they are on the census with:
Ann 1821-1826, Charles 1821-1826, William 1831,Jane 1834, Betsey Blight 1816 Jane Blight 1837. and Betsey Blight 1839
we know that Betsey Blight a wid father Samuel HOOKWAY married John Arnold in 1843
The question is did Samuel and Mary have any other children? and what was Mary's maiden name
Samuel was baptised 22 May 1787 son of William and Mary??
We have 6 children baptised to William and Mary 1787- 1805
There is a marriage on Family Search for a William HOOKWAY and Mary Brinsmead in St Giles in the wood could this be them? I have other Brinsmeads in Wear Gifford and St GILES in the wood
Hope you can help I have not located an OPC for Wear Gifford
Trees
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Hi Trees
This is a frustrating one!
Are there any rellies living with any of them during the censuses?
deb :)
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Trees
IGI has a submitted entry
ROBERT HOOKWAY s/o William HOOKWAY and MARY BRINSMEAD
chr; 20 JUL 1783, Saint Giles-In-The-Wood
buried; 24 MAR 1809, Saint Giles-In-The-Wood
Do you think he would be another child ..making the total 7?
deb
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I am wondering about William and Mary Brinsmead I have both names in St Gilesitw and Wear Gifford this William and Mary married St Giles itw in 1782
The first known child of our Wm and Mary was Samuel 1787 Weare Gifford so it is possible that they did marry in St Giles and move to Weare Gifford shortly after I'll write to the St Giles itw OPC to see if they had any other children in that parish
1841 for the Hookway family is outlined above the 1851 has only Samuel, Mary and daughter Jane That has Samuel 1788 Weare Gifford and Mary Torrington so neither St Giles itw which is making me doubt that marriage as being the one
Samuel was a bargeman so I suppose he could have met Mary any where with a water course I don't think St Giles itw falls into this categories though and her home in Torrington does um maybe I need to enquire with the Torrington OPC in case
Thanks for your input Deb most welcome
Trees
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Hi Trees
I just found something interesting although I am not sure if they are yours;
Devon County Sessions
20 Oct 1846
Samuel Hookway
Henry Hookway
Thomas Hookway
Richard Hookway
all in for larceny ... they were acquitted. 3 of the names belong to your William and Mary's children
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wow that is interesting glad to see they were acquitted now was Richard one of the brothers It could well be so I really do need some one to check the registers for Weare Gifford ans St Giles in the Wood
The second 9 mystery us that John Arnold barge man married Mary Blight nee Hookway f Samuel HOOKWAY a bargeman giving his father as John Arnold a bargeman John Arnold formally John Jury
We have found John Jury baptised in Ashreigney in 1801 to Hannah Jury single woman.
Did Hannah marry an Arnold or was his biological father John Arnold was he brought up by a John Arnold or what? More to the point how do I find evidence of any of the above
Trees
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Hi Trees
It seems the the St Giles in the Wood Hookways stayed there ...there are also a couple more Brinsmead/Brunsmead birth and deaths as well as a couple of Probates for them.
The only person from the quarter sessions that does not fit is the Henry ... but then again would he have been at home in the 1841 ...??
Trees ...another thing ...try as I might I could not find the marriage of Betsy Blight to John Arnold ...am I going mad!? (I do see them as a family in 1851 though!)
How does a man have a 'formerly' name ... it seems that he may have been baptised Jury but was the true son of John Arnold .... eeeekkkk complicated LOL
Did john Arnold marry Betsy as a Jury or an Arnold?
deb :)
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Ashreigney sounds great to me as that is his POB in 1851,,,,
have you found him in 1841?
"We have found John Jury baptised in Ashreigney in 1801 to Hannah Jury single woman."
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Just for reference these are the children of William and Mary:
THOMAS HOOKWAY 31 MAR 1805 Weare Giffard
EDWARD HOOKWAY 14 MAR 1802 Weare Giffard
MARY HOOKWAY 21 FEB 1796 Weare Giffard
RICHARD HOOKWAY, 24 FEB 1793 Weare Giffard
WILLIAM HOOKWAY 13 DEC 1789 Weare Giffard
SAMUEL HOOKWAY 22 MAY 1787 Weare Giffard
that's why the other christening seems so out of place:
ie:
IGI has a submitted entry
ROBERT HOOKWAY s/o William HOOKWAY and MARY BRINSMEAD
chr; 20 JUL 1783, Saint Giles-In-The-Wood
buried; 24 MAR 1809, Saint Giles-In-The-Wood
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Sorry to desert you yesterday Deb
Henry was the first of Samuel's baptised 1812 Family Search C052551 he was the one I had on my tree being the father of Emma who then married onto our Bale line.
A fellow researcher G has contacted me asking about John Arnold basically because he can't understand the name change anyway John Arnold married twice 1 Jane BLIGHT and 2betsey BLIGHT daughter of Samuel Hookway
Their marriage is registered Dec qtr 1843 as John JURY his baptism name G has the certificate which says his father was John Arnold a bargeman after that they appear on censuses as ARNOLD 1851 HO107/1895 fo355 p3 I'll ask G for a copy of the certificate
G is the grandson of William on this census
I cant find him in 1841 either either as Jury or Arnold G also mentiond Dury but I think that likely to be a mis read Jury
H
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I wonder what the connection was between Jane and Betsey Blight Were they sister in laws I wonder if its worth looking there and did he marry Jane as JURY its confusing from G's letter I'll pm you a copy
H
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Hi Trees
On the 1851 , there is a daughter Jane Arnold, 14, b Monkleigh.... she must be the daughter from John's first marriage;
in 1841
Monkleigh
John ARNOLD, ag lab, 40
Anna 15 glover
Eliza 10
Jane 5
all born in county
oooooooooo look
IGI EXTRACTED
ANNA ARNOLD JEWRY, d/o John Jewry and Anne
13 FEB 1825 Monkleigh
IGI EXTRACTED
Eliza Arnold d/o John and Ann
05 FEB 1832 Monkleigh
John JEWRY = ANN BERMAN
13 MAY 1824 Monkleigh
I can't see a marriage for John Arnold/Jury/Jewry to a Jane Blight on IGI.
deb
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looks like there was another daughter to John and Ann
MARY ANNE JEWRY
16 MAR 1828 Monkleigh
have found these extracted entries for children of a John Arnold and JANE BLIGHT
THURSDA ARNOLD chr 08 NOV 1825 Bible Christian, Shebbear
Elizabeth ARNOLD chr 14 OCT 1823 ditto
JOSEPH ARNOLD chr 25 SEP 1827 ditto
GRACE ARNOLD chr 17 SEP 1821 ditto
I don't think this couple is 'your' couple.
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Possible death for John Jury/Arnold's first wife
Ann Arnold
June q 1839
Bideford
vol 10 pg 42
deb
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So was Anna, Jane? or were there three wives I must take a moment to catch up with this
Oh Deb you are a star
H
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Hi Trees :)
I think 'your' John married Ann BERMAN ... the one who married Jane Blight is someone else .... or he could be John Jury's half brother ie; The 'real' son of John Arnold, Bargeman.
deb
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oh yes I think the presence of little Jane suggests that is the right coupling
Ooh how will G take this he was so sure about Jane BLIGHT
Maybe it would be chasing Betsey's BLIGHT husband to wash them out
h
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When did Betsey Hookway marry Mr Blight? What was his name?
deb
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Good question all I have is her with Jane 1837 and Betsey1839 BLIGHT in 1841 with her parents Samuel and Mary HOOKWAY the girls turn up in 1851 as step daughters to John ARNOLD
There are 5 male BLIGHT deaths 1839-1841 so its a difficult one
H
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Trees
I can't find Betsey/Elizabeth BLIGHT's birth registration... it should be circa 1839
OH MY >>>>>
In 1861
Providence st, Bideford
Joshua ARNOLD, 26 shipwright b Landcross
Jane wife , 26 b Wear Giffard
BETSEY BLIGHT visitor, 22, Gloveress, b ditto
Guess what??
Joshua ARNOLD = JANE HOOKWAY
Dec q 1860
Bideford
Jane must be Jane Blight ... or am I confused? Jane's POB and DOB add up to her being Jane Blight who's mother was Betsey Hookway!!
deb
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Betsey Arnold formerly Blight nee Hookway is living next door to Joshua and Jane Arnold in 1881 ... so my previous post looks to be correct ... ie that Jane Blight used her mother's maiden name to marry. :-\ :-\
12 Providence Rd, Bideford
Betsey Arnold, head wid, 68, gen labourers widow, b Wear Gifford
she has a grand dau living with her, Mary Jane Bright, 14 b Bideford
deb
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Aggrrr why is my tree so complicated....fun isn't it?
So was Jane Blight Illegit born before Betsey married a Mr Blight that would give a marriage during registration and a quick death for her husband I'll look
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Trees
Joshua Arnold is pretty easy to follow
he was b 1834 WG s/o William and Ann
William his dad was bc 1791 in WG
IGI ext
WILLIAM ARNOLD s/o Wm and Mary
26 AUG 1792, Weare Giffard
red post ... arrghhh Trees ::)
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ummm Trees
In 1841 it does not state whether Betsey Blight is widowed ,, if her husband was a bargeman then he may have been out and about :-\
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thats true she married in 1843 so we can asume he died before that and I think Devon is the most likely I don't think the barg3es were sea going though the sailing barges were like coasters and did go right round Cornwall fron North to South Devon and back
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Maybe we should check deaths up until 1843 in the Torrington and Bideford reg disticts.
If we could find Betsey's birth reg that may also help.
deaths;
Torrington
Richard BLIGHT; 1838
William Blight; 1838
Edward Blight; 1839
Samuel Blight; 1840
John Blight 1841
Samuel Blight 1841
John Blight x 3 ; 1841
Samuel Blight 1841
William Blight 1842
Simon Blight 1844
Oh my ...and that's just Torrington! ::) :o
added ...have to go out for a bit ...will bbs
deb
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Just to many for anything I wonder has anyone got a tree with them on on An..ry that could give us a clue
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yes there is John BLIGHT and Betsey Hookway I havent got a sub so cant look any further but is that a good clue I'll try Betsey 1839 next Yes she is there too now who can look for us to see how well the tree is sourced could be usefull
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So John Blight deaths
2 1841 Sep
1 Dec 1841
1 1842
So plenty to choose from it looks good
There are Betsey and John Arnold trees too I wonder how they have interpreted the situation
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There is a tree for John Jury Arnold don of John Arnold and Hannah Jury now have they married Hannah and John after our john was born he seems to use both names at will
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whee there is a tree in the public domain here
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=21c119&id=I1554
I'll contact the owner tonight he may have a bit more than shown He certainly shows the name change Gosh this is getting more and more interesting
They have John BLIGHTS marriage to Betsey and plenty on their children abd his background
Poor John Blight found drowned in the river Torridge 15 Apr 1839
H
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The mystery of why Jane BLIGHT married as HOOKWAY
Jane was baptism was 10 mar 1836
her parents however did not marry until 17 Apr 1812
so "Officially " she was a HOOKWAY so perhaps poor girl thought she had to use that surname when she married shame as she was obviously known as BLIGHT from the censuses
H
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It is odd but both Jane and her Step father revert to their illegitimate surnames or surnames at birth when they marry its as if they have interpreted the marriage law that they must give their birth name not the name they are known as at marriage I suppose later the child would be "Officially" adopted by its own father or step father legalising the known surname and no confusion would be made
Oh dear The rootsweb tree has Jane married to some one else but the presence of Betsy on the 1861 census and that Betsey (her mum) is next door in 1881 gives our interpretation credence
H
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HELP
The other tree's data also checks out well for Jane BIGHT married Thomas FISHER in 1855 and they are also in PROVIDENCE ROW BIDEFORD in 1871
you have
John and Betsey Arnold at No 8
Joshua and Jane at No 11 and Jane FISHER at No 16
Now what is going on which Jane married Josh and which Jo why did they use different names when they Married???
In 1871 Jane Fisher is from WG 1837
Jane Mrs Joshuah Arnold is 1835 from WG so Jane Arnold looks like the older girl does that help?? Now Jane Arnold daughter of John Jury/Arnold and Ann and Jane HOOKWAY/BLIGHTwere both 5 in 1841 so that isn't helping I cant think of any reason why Jane Arnold would revert to HOOKWAy for the marriage but neither can I see why Jane Arnold would become Blight for her marriage
What an awful mix up Too many Janes too many names yet not enough Janes on the 41 and 51 census to eliminate either of John's Janes
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Hooray found a Jane
Betsey had a sister Jane born 1834 on the 1841 census with her parents Samuel and Mary and Betsy with her Jane BLIGHT born 1837
So Jane Hookway who marries Joshuah was Betsey's sister and Jane Blight who married Thomas FISHER was her Daughter Goodness knows what has happene to jane Arnold daughter of John and Ann
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Oh MYYYYYYYYYYYYYY :o :o
I need to wrap my brain around this ...I thought I had got it wrong when I saw that the tree had Jane married to FISHER. ::)
need coffee ..will be back
deb :)
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oh graciouf a Jane Arnold married the same quarter of 1855 as Jane Blight now was this John and Ann'd daughter I wonder
need to check censuses
H
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Yes it is her she marries JosephDark mis transcribed in 1861 as Park but she was born Monkleigh 1837 so it fits well I wonder was it a double wedding it would be soo good to see the registers
So Betsey is conected to 3 Janes all born 1837 her sister her daughter and her step daughter
H
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trees ;D
okay ... this is what we have
in 1841
Monkleigh
Salterns cottages
John ARNOLD, ag lab, 40
Anna 15 glover
Eliza 10
Jane 5............. she marries Joseph DARK
all born in county
1841
WG, Loverings
Samuel HOOKWAY 55
Mary 50
Ann 15
Charles 15
William 10
Jane HOOKWAY 7 .......she marries Joshua Arnold
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Betsey BLIGHT, glover, 25
Jane BLIGHT 7 ................she marries Thomas FISHER
Betsey 2
all born in county
1851
Rudd, Monkleigh
John Arnold , 50, bargeman, b Ashreigney
BETSEY, 37 b WG
Jane dau, 14, glover, b MONKLEIGH ...she is d/o John Jury/Arnold and Ann Berman
Ann 6 b ditto d/o John and Betsey
William 4 b ditto s/o ditto
Charles 2 months b ditto, s/o ditto
Jane BLIGHT step dau , glover, 14 b WG d/o Betsey HOOKWAY
Betsey BLIGHT step dau, 12, glover, b WG d/o John Blight and Betsey Hookway
Harriet Jones, visitor, glover, 18, b WG
then in 1860 Jane Hookway marries Joshua Arnold ...this is Betsey Blight nee Hookway's sister
In 1861
Providence st, Bideford
Joshua ARNOLD, 26 shipwright b Landcross
Jane wife , 26 b Wear Giffard .........................Jane HOOKWAY b Wear Giffard, Betsey's sister
BETSEY BLIGHT visitor, 22, Gloveress, b ditto .... so she is visting her AUNT as she is d/o Betsey Blight nee Hookway
deb
do I have this correct??
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hold on ... I need to amend my last post ::)
oh my getting confused with Janes
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As you have now add in the 1841 census for Samuel HOOKWAY and you have the third Jane Betsey's sister Jane HOOKWAY daughter of Samuel and Mary also 1837 ish
In that house hold you have Aunt and neice both Jane both born about the same time
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Okay ...I'll do that
who does Mary J ARNOLD, grand dau belong to?
In 1871 she is with Jon and Betsey at Providence rd , aged 4 b BIDEFORD .. she is with Betsey in 1881 as well!
1881
12 Providence Rd, Bideford
Betsey Arnold, head wid, 68, gen labourers widow, b Wear Gifford
Mary Jane Bright, 14, grand dau, b Bideford
deb
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so in relation to Betsey Blight nee Hookway b 1816 we have
her SISTER, b 1834 WG
Jane Hookway = Joshua ARNOLD 1860
Her Daughter, b 1837 WG
Jane BLIGHT = Thomas FISHER
Her Step daughter, b 1837 Monkleigh
Jane Arnold = Joseph Dark
phew
deb ;D
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Thats what I think the situation is then we can marry the three janes
sister Jane HOOKWAY married Joshuah ARNOLD 9n 1860
Daughter married Thomas FISHER 1855
Step Daughter married Joseph Dark 1855
now who was Mary Jane were there two of them too just to confuse us or have we yet another name change
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Trees
check my summary to make sure I have it right!
I have just amended it
deb
will check for the gr dau
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Yes that looks good Now I wonder if Mary Jane was daughter of Jane BLIGHT ie dau of John Blight and Betsy she was known as jane Arnold when she was with her mother and Step father but married as BLIGHT so this may explain the name change we see in her censuses as Grand daughter What do you think? Or has one of the Arnold daughters /step daughters married a Blight or oh lor has Betsey Blight b 1839 married another Arnold? I'd forgotten about her
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Hummmmmm
I am thinking that she may be Betsey Blight jnr's ilegit dau.
Why would Betsey Snr. emunerate her as a BLIGHT and NOT ARNOLD in 1881?
will investigate LOL ;D
deb
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I think this is her birth mar qtr 1867
Arnold Mary Jane B Bideford 5b 551
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oooo good one Trees!
So now errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. who does ahe belong to?
:o :o
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1881
11 Providence rd
Joshua ARNOLD 47 shipwright, b WG
Jane Wife 46 b WG . nee HOOKWAY...........................Betsey Hookway/Blight/Arnold's SISTER
MARY JANE ARNOLD dau 19, unm, assist school mistress, b BIDEFORD
Rose Ellen dau 13, dressmaker, b Bideford
12 Providence
1881
12 Providence Rd, Bideford
Betsey Arnold, head wid, 68, gen labourers widow, b Wear Gifford ..living next door to her sister
Mary Jane Bright, 14, grand dau, b Bideford
deb
amended
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8) ::)
birth
Mary Blight
june q 1868
Bideford
5b 541
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oh heavens not another pair with the same name to confuse things need to check laundry desperate for clean things back in a bit
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I think you have the right birth reg.
Mary Jane B(light) Arnold
:-\ ::) ::)
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;D
1891
25 Torrington street. Bideford
William Prust 44 b Northam
Ann wife 45 b Monkleigh
Mary Jane Bright, 23, single, step dau dressmaker b Bideford
Alfred William son 19 , mason b Monkleigh
Bertie son, 17, mason, b ditto
Chales son 14 errand boy b Bideford
Carmila? G dau 12 b ditto
1881
25 Honiston Lane
William Prust 36
Ann wife 35, b Monkleigh
Thomas BLIGHT 11, b Bideford .... relation to head column is blank
Alfred W Prust, son 9, b Bideford
Bertie son 7, b Monkleigh
Charles son 3, Bideford
Camilla G dau 2, b Bideford
at this stage, in 1881, Mary Jane Bright/Blight is with Grandmother Betsey Arnold
Maybe Betsey forget to mention that Mary Jane had the surname Arnold and gave her full forename ie; Mary Jane Blight [Arnold] ::) ::)
oh my
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1871
Bideford
50 Ole ? Town
William Prust , 24, lab at water work, b Bideford
Ann wife 26, b Monkleigh
THOMAS son 1 b Bideford
OH MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
William PRUST = ANN ARNOLD
June q 1870
Bideford
So she is Betsey Snr's dau from John Arnold!!! see 1861 census on Summary
birth;
Ann Hookaway Arnold
Dec q 1844 Bideford
So Mary Jane B Arnold b 1867 Bideford is d/o Ann Hookway Arnold
and gr dau of Betsey ARNOLD formerly BLIGHT nee HOOKWAY
could this get any more confusing ...I NEED coffee
deb
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::)
Mary Jane Arnold = Alfred James Dark
Dec q 1891
Bideford
1901 They are living in Torrington Street with Children :
Alfred James Dark 36 tailor
Mary jane wife 34
Florence Lilian 7
Mabel 2
all born Bideford
This Alfred James Dark is s/o John and Catherine (inn keeper/pub) who ran the Swan Inn, in 1881
In 1891 they are living 'next door' to The Heard Family who run the Royal Hotel in Bideford
;D ;D ;D
added ... Alfred James Dark of the Swan Inn, East the water, Bideford died in 1923. There is a Probate fo him.
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Well Trees
here's a nice one ...a new name at last .... ;D
Betsey Blight jnr
Betsey Blight = William Leonard
June q 1864
Bideford
1871
Lock Cottage
Landcross
William LEONARD 40, merchant's clerk b Monkleigh
BETSEY wife 32 b WG
George H 7 b Monkleigh
Alfred W 7 b Landcross
Arthur J 3 ditto
Sidney 1 b ditto
deb :)
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I'm back on board Deb I have now had e mails from two other researchers on the same family one being the owner of the BLIGHT tree on Rootsweb so I have been trying to direct them here to see how we have got on. The other one has a lot on the Arnold line so together I think we will get a very full picture I'll have a good read and send the saliant points over asp
Now to read your last posts
H
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Oh no not another pub involvment ;D ;D
Oh how I love pubs they usually have interesting traceable histories
So you have sorted little Mary Jane B Arnold out that's really good i think it very possible that 'ol Betsy juft forgot to add the ARNOLD
I'm also glad to get young Betsy wed
Now what d I need to do next I think make up a sub tree for the family for my original enquirer
I really am very grateful for your help its hard to remember what a great distance lies between us
Many many thanks
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I thought you would like the pub connection :D
errrrrrrrr and we have gone off on a tangent from your oiginal request ::)
Will take a look back and try to sort the Hookways out!
deb
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its all the same family boy what a developement
and you have uncovered yet another name change with young Thomas Prust why was he BLIGHT if his mum was a liggit Arnold that's weird gosh my head is spinning with this ;ot I think the only way to explain it to G is to send hom a tree chart with a narative account though he'll have to wait in the queue I need to get over to fil as soon as K gets home poor chap will feel moft deserted thanks again for todays wonderful research I really am very grateful
':)' H
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Hi Trees
I have no idea why Thomas is Blight in 1881 ... all the other kids are children to the head of house and yet Thomas' column is blank ::) ::)
Thomas is the son in 1871 and 1891 ...so why the mystery in 1881??
errrrr where is he in 1891?
birth reg;
Thomas PRUST
Mar q 1871
Bideford
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maybe his second name was Blight? need to see his baptism
One of the contacts today says Betsy Hookway's mother had a cousin who was manager of a canal on which the barges were sailed for the lime trade
there is a series on her at the moment where a group are spending a year living as Edwardian farmers on the banks of the Tamar they did a program about the need to make lime for the fields and had the coal and so on selivered to the kilns by a wonderful old sailing barge
http://greenwood-carving.blogspot.com/2010/11/traditional-crafts-on-bbc-edwardian.html
This means he knows who married Samuel HOOKWAY I'll ask who she was
H
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Hi Trees
I found this photo ... The Swan Inn, Torrington Street, Bideford....isn't it great to know your people lived/worked there? :D :D :D
it's soooo pretty.
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Trees ...I think it's for sale ...shall we buy it?? ;D
this looks like an older photo or it could be newer ..not sure :-\
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I had a good few pints in there, when I lived in Bideford.
Can't say I got the 'friendliest' reception, when I said I lived the other side of the river. A bit of friendly rivalry between East the Water and West the Water(Bideford).
;)
Lovely town. :)
Steve. :)
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I'm envious , Steve.... it looks so quaint!
deb
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Yes it does look pretty i found the sale info earlier such a shame so many of these old houses are closing i do hope this one stays as a pub.
Steve are you still close to Bideford? any chance you can take a copywrite free photo for my collection please and the Royal there are so many HEARD connections in the family its only going to be time before these link in too
:)
Been with fil most of the day so need to go over the whole thread and make sure the tree is up to date before I get back to finding more. I have now been in touch with one of Mary Jane Arnold's grandsons and need to check his notes too gosh this started as a very simple question and in less than a week you have built up a wonderful bushy family
Many many thanks
H
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I've followed this thread with interest I would agree with what has been suggested about who married whom as far as the Janes'go. I am descended from John (Jury) Arnold's daughter Anna Arnold Jewry who was christened in Monkleigh on 13 FEB 1825. She married a John Parr (using the name Arnold) on 16 Jan 1844 at the Register Office in Bideford. Interestingly one of the witnesses is a Ann Hookway.
I have to a degree become stuck at this point, since it seems likely that John Jury's father was an Arnold probably a John but back from then i'm not sure. Ann Berman is also a sticking point as I can see some Bermans around in Devon in the 1840's and 50's, but I had wondered if actually it could have been Berriman, Burman, Beerman etc but not really come up with any candidates.
Another fact to add to the mix is that John Jury is likely to have a brother William who was Christened In Ashreigney as William Jury mother Hannah in 1805
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Hi Oxon girl :) welcome to Rootschat I'm sure you will get a lot of help and meet many friends along the way. As you can see we can find quite a lot in a short time between us.
You need to do 3 posts before you can use the PM system and we do not post our e mail addresses on the boards so please contact me through my web site and I'll put you in touch ( if you want me to) with one of the other researchers who has been tracing the Arnolds for quite a time ( the one who decends from Ann b 1844) :) and i will let you have what i now have with the help from DebUSA
Welcome also to the extended and extending family :)
Trees
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Taking a look at the HEARDs in the Royal Oak they had a bootboy working there
William H BLIGHT from Shebbear worth noting he my fit in somewhere sometime it was interesting to see a metal works manager from Swansea there too there was a great deal of trade between S Wales and Devon at that time.
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Oh my I can see on the 1871 census that John Dark's mother was a Grace Dark and john was born in Alwington 1822. now I have a Grace Dark b 1825 on my main tree father John
ooops getting off topic sorry
back to the Arnold/Hookway /Jurys
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Well this mornings aside search has linked my Darks to two more PUBS and a nice extra lot of data to add but they don't link to this family neither do the Heards at the ROYAL. So I'm back on course now
Trees
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Sorry Trees, I live in Ireland now.
Have a look on 'Google' Street view, still looks good.
Steve. :)
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I thpught I was being cheeky bucksboy it was worth a try though :) Was it a nice inside ?
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Hi Trees
I live in Barnstaple and could manage a photo some time - I'm away for a while soon - but could probably manage to send it to you before Christmas. I am right in thinking you want the Swan & the Royal?
Steve (a different Steve!)
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That is a very kind offer yes please don't go out of your way though I know how precious time is ':)' When you do get there can you see if there is any date on the building its very odd but i haven't turned any history up for the house which is unusual
Many many thanks
H
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it is odd I cannot find any trace of BERMAN families in Monkleigh though until very recently there was a prominent Berman family in the area any ideas how we can find Ann born about 1800 she married and died in Monkleigh We could also take a quick look at the "brother Willia Jury/Arnold he ma lead to Hannah
H
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I've had many a good look for Bermans and Burmans and didn't find any candidates which is why I wondered about Beriman (Berryman, Berriman etc) and a transcription error. William Jury has also proved difficult to track.
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I think we can add Bearman to the list but so far nothing its frustrating I cant find Hannah Jury either they are a really mysterious family
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Looking at the IGI there are Burmans in Hartland and an Ann Burman christened 22 MAY 1803 Morwenstow, Cornwall which isn't a million miles away!
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I am really greatful for you all In your research for the origins to John Arnold /Dury as I am a very new in this sort of thing as I am a direct decendant of John from one of his sons William 1846 and from his son Wilfred JOHN and again his son Wilfred JOHN to me Gordon and now this info goes to my son for his origins are English as he is French born to give him is origins on a plate is marvelous !!!
Are there any real conclusions or evolutions on the Arnold/druwry /dury side ? as I have visited the Barnstable office myself and have traced the Arnold familys in the region untill 1690 but not been able to connect them all coherently ,and non to my John although very close to age probability , I have also done a ADN research on 67 markers but never closer than 12 markers in the whole world project ,certainly non in or around Devon so I am still in the dark of my back origins from 1800
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Hi Hazel
I've sent you the photos via an email. I hope you had a good Christmas & I wish you a very happy New Year
Steve
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Many thanks Steve,We had a wonderful Christmas although quiet we had so much to be grateful for particularly a great improvement in fil's health.
I wish all our fellow Roots Chatters good hunting in 2011 and my thanks for all the help and friendship found here :)
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