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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: carolwalden on Monday 11 April 05 13:13 BST (UK)
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I have been trying to trace my husbands family for a good 2 years without success.
I am looking for the parents of Charles Walden/Waldin/Waldron.
The reason for the long list of variations is that when Charles was born he was registered as WALDIN, i found a link to his father on the LDS site who had the surname WALDRON but the family name is now WALDEN ::)
Without confirmation i am at a loss and now have found out that Charles was born 1847 in Alvechurch but his family are not on the worcestershire 1851 census.
He married Elizabeth Catherine Bennett in 1876 and are known to be in Alvechurch in 1881 and 1891 at the bakery in Alvechurch.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Carol
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Hi Carol
Just in case you don't have it, this may be him at Weatherhood Hill, Alvechurch in 1871:
Charles WALDIN boarder unm 23 shoemaker b.Alvechurch
boarding with a John (49 b.Kings Norton) & Betsy (45 b.Alvechurch) ASHFORD & their family
RG10/3076 folio 118 page 7
Casalguidi
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Thanks for the reply.
I havent got that one, in fact i have no info at all before his marriage and of course his birth details.
Carol
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there is still a WEATHEROAK HILL in alvechurch, connecting alvechurch with wythall and beoley. im pretty sure there wasnt a weatherhood hill. it is mainly farmland and large (expensive!) houses on weatheroak hill
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Hi Carol
This is a bit of a long shot but can someone look at an 1851 census image for George Walden age 35 (2047/823). There is a Charles Walden there too and I wonder if the age has been mis- transcribed?
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Hi Salliejo
Thanks for the correction - 2nd opinions are very helpful if you're not familiar with the area ;)
Casalguidi
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Hi folks!
Gardnener - I've checked the Charles Walden with George Walden in 1851 on the original image and he's definitely down as 13, so 10 years out. Pity :(
Angela
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I don't have access to the actual images but another kind Rootschatter may be able to look them up for you if they think they are possibilities.
All Charles born Alvechurch living in Worcestershire:
1851
Charles Ward b. 1848
Charles Whadevat b. 1842
1861
Charles Waldron b. 1848
Pinetree
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Think I've got Charles in 1861, still in Weatheroak Hill (thanks for the pointer - it's difficult to read!) -
Ref RG9 2118 Folio 116 Page 5 - Weatheroak Hill, Alvechurch
Richard Quiney - Head - Mar - 38 - Cord Winder and farmer of 36 acres employing one boy - Warwickshire, Lambourn
Mary Quiney - Wife - Mar - 39 - Farmers wife - Warwickshire, Birmingham
Emila (Amila?) Quiney - dau - 11 - Scholar - Worcestershire, Alvechurch
Charles Waldron - Apprentice - 13 - Cord Winder (app) - Worcestershire, Alvechurch
Looking in 1851, the only possibility I can find is a Charles Ward - do you know the father's name so we could check out if this is a mis-spelled entry?
Best wishes
Angela
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Sorry Pinetree - my post crossed with yours ;D
We're on the same track though - I'll have a look at your other possible find for Charles in 1851...
Angela
Angela
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Looking at the Charles Whadevat you found, Pinetree, it looks like it should be Whadcoat (not that that's a whole lot better.....) but Charles's age is very clearly 9 and there are younger children, so it's not looking likely.
It may be that Carol has to splash out on a birth or marriage certificate for Charles, unless someone can find the Alverstoke (whoops - I meant Alvechurch!)Parish Records......
Angela
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Angela,
No problem - two sets of eyes are certainly better than one (in my case anyway ;D)
Looking at the baptism Carol found on IGI the parents appear to be George WALDRON and Harriet if that helps ;)
I have the name WALDRAM in my tree which is sometimes mistranscribed as WALDRON so my be another variation worth checking although I can't see any WALDRAMs that would fit for Charles.
Pinetree
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Thanks for that, Pinetree - definitely doesn't fit the Ward family in 1851 then as the parents are Richard and Mary Ann.
Puzzling this - can't find a marriage for George and Harriet on FreeBMD, even using the Wald* wild cards. I'll have a hunt on BVRi, see if that comes up with anything...
These spelling variations are a pain ;D You wouldn't believe the number of variations you can come up with for my Sealeys ::)
Angela
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Angela/Carol,
There's a marriage in IGI between George WALDRON and Harriet GODSON on 21 Oct 1844. This took place at Wotton Wawen ( :o) which is in Warwickshire but not that far from Alvechurch. Could be a possibility :-\
Pinetree
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Sorry for the delay in replying computer went screwy.
Thanks for the help, i can see this is going to take a while to resolve.
I ordered the marriage certificate and just to be certain i also ordered Charles birth Certificate.George did marry Harriet Godson 21/10/1844 Wootton Wawen.
What i haven't been able to find is a death record for either George or Harriet.George died before 1876 when Charles married.
As far as i can make out Charles was the only son.But as you will know it was rare to have just one child back then.
So :
1) Harriet died soon after Charles was born;
2) George died soon after Charles was born;
3) Both died and Charles was orphaned;
4) George Remarried and the family don't know this or
5) Harriet remarried.
To top it off the surname can be found spelt as WALDIN,WALDEN and WALDRON.
I have even found William Walden in the 1881 census with the surname WALDRONETT but the FreeBMD has him as WALDIN.
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Hello Carol
This is all very intriguing, so I've had another hunt, starting with Gardener's find of a Charles and George in 1851 (HO107/2047 Folio 823 Page 18) I originally was pretty positive that Charles was 13, but on looking again there are some other marks around the age column so it is just possible that Charles actually is down as 3 not 13 and the apparent preceding figure is one of those marks. What do other people think? It would certainly match otherwise, as George is down as a widower. (Sorry, Gardener :( )
Following on from that, there's a death registered in the right district, MAR 1850 Bromsgrove 18 191 for a Harriet Wolding ::) who might just possibly be the missing Mum for Charles.
I did wonder whether the family George and Charles are with in 1851 might just possibly be relatives of Harriets (not George's since his place of birth is down as not known). Just in case that's a possibility, the full entry is-
78 London Street, Alvechurch
Samuel Bayliss - Head- Mar -38 - Ag Lab - Worcestershire, Alvechurch
Eliza Bayliss - Wife - Mar - 29 - Needlemaker ( Hard Strtner - Worcestershire, Tardbigge
Charles Bayliss - Son - - 1 - - Worcestershire, Alvechurch
George Walden - Lodger - Widr - 35 - Ag Lab - N.K.
Charles Walden - Lodger- -?3 - - Worcestershire, Alvechurch
Angela
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Hi Angela,certainly looks like this might be "my" George & Charles.
I too wondered if that entry was "my" Harriet, it wasnt until i found an entry in the 1851 Census on FreeCen that i gave it a second though.
1851Census
Place Wolverton Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire.
John Godson age 49 Fam Lab B Alderminster
Hannah age 52 b Wolverton, Warwick
Mary Ann Daughter age 17 b Claverdon, Warwick
John Walding Gson age 1 b Allchurch Warwick
John and Hannah Godson are Harriets parents, so looks like they had two sons and another possible spelling variation ::)
I just thought it odd that Charles was not with them being of such a young age.
I am not able to find Johns birth on the FreeBMD site but i did find him on the LDS site (no Parents though).
If some kind soul with access to the 1861 census could do a look up for George that would be a great help.
I am assuming that if they didnt know his birth place that he wasnt from Worcestershire or am i wrong in that assumption?
This is so frustrating lol
Thanks again Angela.
Carol
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Hi Carol
Well - there's a possible candidate for your George in Alvechurch in 1861 although there's a bit of disparity in ages from the 1851 but there is a place of birth this time He's on his own at number 47a, Dog Lane, Alvechurch, ref RG9 2118 Folio 80 Page 11 -
George Walden - Head- Widr - 40 - Ag Lab - Oxfordshire. Bambury
I did wonder about the death record for a George Waldron - JUN 1861 Bromsgrove 6c 219 - would presumably be just after the census.
Given the 1851 census record you found for Harriet's parents, it looks suspiciously like she must have died having young John, who seems to be with his grandparents still in 1861 in Lye Green, Claverdon, Warwickshire (Ref RG9 2232 Folio 24 Page 1) -
John Godson - Head - Mar - 60 - Ag lab - Warwick, Ashill
Hannah Godson - Wife - Mar - 61 - - Warwick, Wolverton
John Waldin - Gson - - 11 - Worcestershire, Alvechurch
Will see if there's any mention of George in 1871 in case that death isn't him
Angela
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Hi Carol
Can't find George in 1871 (but that doesn't necessarily mean a lot!)
In 1841, at the Mill, Alvechurch (ref HO107/1199/7 Folio 12 Page 16) we have
George Walden - 25 - M.S. (=male servant) - N (= not born in county)
So that doesn't really help with getting his parents.... ::)
Angela
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By the way - this looks like young John's birth -
MAR 1850 Waldron John Bromsgrove 18 227
Angela
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Hi Angela, wow what can i say thank you so much ;D
With regards the age difference, i have seen age discrepancies before so i will give Banbury a go and see if i can find him. Atleast its a start, so far i could only find a George from Gloucester and that wasn't him.
I thought maybe Harriet had died after having John, which then left it open as to whether or not George may have married again or he passed away before the next census.
Father in law has always said the Walden men didn't live long after their wives passed away and Charles and William Thomas proved that, they died within months of their wives.
The birth record for John looks a big possibility too, so i can look into that also. After years of searching for George looks like we found a long lost Uncle too ;)
Thanks again
Carol
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Hi Carol
I'm so pleased you've got something to pursue - I hope the household budget will run to a few more certificates ;D
Please let us know how you get on.
Best wishes
Angela
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Hi, have ordered death certificates of who we think are Harriet and George and Johns birth certificate.Should be here by the end of next week so we shall see what they have to say.
Will let you know how i get on.
Carol
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Fingers crossed ;D
Angela
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Mine too :)
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Certificates have just arrived.
John Waldron is our boy.He was born 2nd February 1850 to George and Harriet.
Harriet Wolding is also our lady. She died 27th March 1850 but at the moment i cant make out what from, looks like infected fever.I am assuming this could be complications from the birth.
The death of a George Waldron however is not my George, but a boy aged 1.
Two out of three wasn't bad. ;D
Carol
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Hi Carol - that IS good ;D Wonder where George went though....
The 'infected fever' couldn't possibly be puerperal fever, could it?
Angela
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Hi Angela, am going to get the scanner set up and scan the certificate in.Maybe if i blow it up a bit more i will be able to make out what it says, though i can make out "fever", the first part however looks like a scribble lol.
Still on the look out for George. Now i have another surname variation i may retry all my sources and see what we get.
Carol