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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Jag on Monday 11 April 05 09:00 BST (UK)
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Cannot find his marriage to Rosina Casebow. Their son William Henry (or names reversed) born April 1912.
By 1916 Tom has enlisted in the Canadian Expeditionary Forces, and gives his birthday as 11th May, with one war record saying born Bristol, the other London.
The Pro's bmd's only have one Thomas listed, born 23rd May.
From war record we discovered he had two sisters - Mary Ann (now Mrs Spraggett) and Alice Maud, both living at a PO Bx address in Ontario. Despite having 'wife' and son in 1912 he lists his sisters as his next of kin.
After contacting Dr. Barnardo's they advised the children were orphaned. Thomas was 'kept by the family' and the sisters were sent to Canada. They will not even say where the children were from.
Cannot locate in 1881 census index. There is one possible Thomas, who's a year 'out' and he's with parents, but not sisters as above.
Any suggestions?
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April 2016: to add to the aforegoing I have found Thomas and Rosina Golding in the England 1939 Register and he still gives the same birthdate.
Marily Jones and I believe he is the son of Tom Golding and Sophia Baker who marry sometime after his birth, but his birth and still his marriage are evading us either as Golding or Baker.
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Do you need details for Rosina?
Jennifer
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Thomas and Sophia look good as born Bristol and living Poplar same as Rosina casebow.
Jennifer
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Have you seen the Workhouse Admission and Discharge records ? There are multiple entries for Rosina Casebow , b abt 1877 , in Poplar workhouse in 1915 and 1916. I haven't looked at all of them but in some of the earlier ones she is with William Golding , aged 2+. I think it's unlikely that she married Thomas Golding and then didn't use the name.
I expect in the years since your last post you have traced the marriages of Alice Maud and Mary Ann Golding ? Alice's marriage in Ontario gives her parents as Thomas Golding and Sophia Baker and supports your theory about Thomas junior.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKM5-DF3Y
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I realise that you may have resolved this , but I am puzzled about the girls being sent to Canada by Barnardos. I found Mary Ann Golding married Albert Edward Spraggett in 1902 in Mile End Old Town ( 2q 1c 599 ). They emigrated with their children 4 July 1906 on the Southwark to Quebec.
There's an Alice Golding going out to join her married sister in Toronto in 1912 on the Ultonia. This doesn't fit with the children being orphaned and split up. Mary Ann Spraggett and her sister Alice are the next of kin on Thomas Golding's service papers but can you be certain that he is the Thomas Golding father of William Golding b1912 ?
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thomas appears to be with his widowed mother, sisters Mary Ann and Alice and brothers Shadrach, George & John in 1901, which again doesn;t fit the family story!
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William Golding/Casebow is a number of times discharged to Langley House, which appears to be a children's home.
I suspect Thomas' birth is under Baker - as his brother Shadrach's is (Barton Regis district)
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Barton Regis came into being in 1877 replacing Clifton registration district.
A possibility? It doesn't tie in with his age on census entries, but if he was registered at the end of the 6 week period, might fit.
Thomas Golding sep qtr 1875 Clifton vol 6a pg 93
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see note below, repeated
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I have a copy of the Sep Qtr 1875 6a 93 certificate, with parents given as George & Hester. I don't think this one is for the Thomas we are looking for as following copy of a marriage certificate from Marilyn Jones of Thomas's sister Alice Maud (married in Canada to Cotton), this provides parents as Thomas Golding and Sophia Baker, born Bristol and London respectively. Thomas' Canadian War Record gives his birth date as 11th Apr 1875, but the English 1939 Register on findmypast gives a birthdate of 11 Apr 1873. A few weeks back I asked the Public Record Office to search for Tom/Thomas Golding/Baker born Bristol but none found. Following seeing him and wife on the English 1911 census where they say they have been married two years, I also asked them to search 1908-10, but again nothing founs. Any other suggestions would be gratefully received.
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He's likely to be under Baker (if registered at all) Tom Golding snr and Sophia Baker didn't marry until 20 May 1878 (ref Bristol Vol 6a, p41) His father was Evan (or Euan), hers not named.
Searching back, the most likely candidate for Sophia is the daughter of Ann and Shadrach, but born Bristol rather than London. She has a daughter Elizabeth Ann b c1870 who when christened has Shadrach listed as father (for "respectability" I guess) so a few more born out of wedlock would not surprise me.
Have you tried other registration districts around Bristol? There are a couple of Thomas Bakers born in the right period registered in Clifton - which is where Elizabeth Ann appears to be registered. also only with Sophia as mother?
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His age on census with his parents would suggest the birthdate of 11 May 1873 is correct. He probably knocked a couple of years off so that he was able to enlist (Canada) in 1915 as he was actually 42 at that time. He states he was single and as there is no marriage between him and Rosina/Rose Casebow he was indeed single and would have had to name a next of kin who was a relative.
The fact that he went out to Canada alone would suggest he and Rose separated, hence her various stays in the workhouse under her given name which was still legally Casebow.
Although he returned to England (and subsequently Rose) after the war they clearly never legally married.
As his parents did not marry until 1878 his birth should be registered as Baker (as his younger brother was) but it does not appear to have been registered at all (and not under Golding either).
I think you just have to accept that for whatever reason his birth simply wasn't registered - it happened more often than you think and from his ages on early census (bc.1874) this occurred 11th May 1873.
From the 1881 census I note there was a dau. Elizabeth Golding bc.1871 Bristol and that on the 1871 census she was 7 months old (with Sophia as Baker) - I don't know if she was the Elizabeth Ann Baker birth reg'd Sept.1870 Clifton - if not, then her birth wasn't registered either.
Annette
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Dear Annette
Thank you for taking the time to write, I did wonder about the Canadian enlistment and whether he might have been too old at 42, so you are thinking the same. Likewise, why he said he was single on his war record. Very elusive man this, whatever I try I come up against a brick wall.
I have asked the PRO to search under both surnames, and as Tom and Thomas, with no joy 1873-1875. So I too was beginning to think of late that perhaps his registration had escaped the eyes of the authorities.
I am this morning going to pay-as-you-go with Ancestry and hope to look at the Workhouse records, quite a few I'm told by others. I must admit I was assuming this was a 'normal marriage' and so hadn't considered looking at other options. I subscribe to findmypast, and a general search there had not brought forward any thing so far.
Thanks again, Angela.