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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: er indoors on Saturday 13 November 10 17:21 GMT (UK)
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Hi I would appreciate any help or advice I can get on this one. I am looking for the Farley family from Kells
Catherine Farley dau of Owen Farley lived Liverpool 1859 so presume they could have left because of the potato famine
on 1871 census Owen Farley aged 79 born Ireland c1792 a widow. dau now married Catherine Finnan also born Ireland.
for years didn't know where until I looked on the 1911 cessus where Catherine is a widow aged 75 born Kells Co Meath
I have tried to locate them without any luck not on 1861 census and Owen only on 1871. Catherine born 1835-37
Please help if you can.
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Hello,
Are you saying that you don't have them in 1861? If so - here they - they are - transcribed as Finner and Farley
1861 RG9; Piece: 2653; Folio: 40; Page: 3
20 Tellary Street Liverpool
William Finner 28 yrs b Ireland Kells
Catherine Finner 24 yrs labourer in Chemical Works b Ireland Kerran
Ann Finner 4 mths b Liverpool
I wonder if they occupation should be for William - also it does say something like 'Kerran' for Catherine
in same house but separate household
Owen Farley 63 yrs labourer in Chemical works b Ireland Kerran
Mary Farley daur 16 yrs b Ireland Kerran
the next entries are for a Smith family- all born Kells so you can see a difference in the places :-\
regards
heywood
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Thank you Heywood now I am even more confused yes this is them the same address in 1871 but I wonder why
Catherine would say in 1911 she was born in Kells co Meath when it was her husband William Finnan spelt many ways
and her and her father born Kerran ( I wonder where that is)
Oh well back to it at least I can look for William in Kells Finnan Finnin Finnen Finner Feenan Feanan some hope eh!
Thank you for looking for me.
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Looking at the censuses in general- we know most just state Ireland- so annoying - but there are some Farleys b Meath.
Do you have access to view it? It is odd that the with the other family- Kells is so clearly written and theirs isn't.
Owen has been dittoed underneath Ann Finner as born Liverpool but then it has been crossed through.
Catherine's has been overwritten a bit but does look like Kerran whilst
Mary's is clearly Kerran. I'm wondering now though if it is a misunderstanding of Cavan.
On the page before there is a James and Rose Finner from Kells - so with the Smiths and the Finners there is a little Kells community.
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The difficulty is that the Irish timescale you need is so early.
Griffiths Valuation http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/cavan/killashandra.htm
has an Owen Farley in Cavan
and also Armagh and Tyrone http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
Kells has two Owen Farrellys http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/meath/kells.htm
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You are a star, thank you so much for your time.
I like the look of Owen Farley Cavan Gorteenor or Killashandra maybe that is where Catherine got the Kells fromif her husband came from Kells Co Meath and she left as a child I wonder if she thought it was the same place?
Oh how I wish I had a time machine and revisit all these people and places.
Many thank's once again
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>:( I sent you an earlier message, which appears to have gone astray.
Basically it advised the information on the 1881 Census
Catherine Finnen Age: 44 Spouse's name: William Finnen lived 20 Telary St St Martin Liverpool
Children include Owen Finnen 8
It also gave the advice that Catherine Farley married William Finnen in Liverpool in 1859
raveon
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Sorry, there was one other item.
The Griffiths valuations for Meath in 1857, or thereabouts, lists 61 Farleys in Meath. There was no Kells parish listed. Your people might already have left, of course. And as you have mentioned above, you may have received the wrong information.
raveon
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Wouldn't it be so good to ask them :)
I thought the Cavan one too and it is not that far from Kells. I think sometimes it must have been so easy to just agree with whatever the enumerator said.
There is a marriage, by the way, for an Owen Farley to a Margaret McGlue in 1865 on Free BMD.
Have you seen this site - http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/
It has Catholic indexes - unfortunately baptisms are quite late -1886-1901 but the marriages are a bit earlier.
That is where I first saw the Owen Farley marriage. Catherine got married at St Augustines and so did this Owen ???
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Raveon I am pleased it is not only me that sends things that go missing.
I do think they may have left Ireland by 1858 Owen's dau Catherine married 1859 I did get the details from the Liverpool R C
Marriage people on the site that has been mentioned. They charge £3 for 1 or £10 for 4 and it was very fast.
Went onto the site and found the names and marriage year requested information within hours recieved a request to pay by pay pal the next day the information was sent to me by email.
Not as much info as marriage certificate although £6 cheaper
gave date grooms name Telary St son of Patrick Bride sdau of Owen also Telary St and both witnesses also gave the details in Latin.
Very impressed. no ages or occupations though.
Thank you so much for your help
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Heywood
I had seen the liverpoolprojectsite you kindly sent a link to and had ordered a copy of their certificate.
I agree about the enumerator some so much better than others, although it must have been difficult to understand
the many different accents in Liverpool at that time and as many didn't read and write just had to put what it sounded like.
Many thank's once again.
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Hello again,
I was wondering if you had checked that Owen Farley marriage at St Augustine's?
It could be him possibly and then you may get his father's name.
I can't see a Margaret McGlue but there is a Mary McGlue in 1851 and 1861 :-\
best wishes
heywood
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Back again, but I do have trouble, as I have no personal or indepth knowledge of Ireland. I tried to locate Kerran and conistently meet a brick wall. There is definitely a Kells. The closest parish to Kerran that I can come up with is Templekeeran ( Templekeeran ). Should I suggest that fondness for the locality might have abbreviated this to Keeran?
Kerran is more likely to be a surname, and is related to the Kernan/Mckernan group.
Regarding the 1857 Griffiths valuations, I have revisited the site. However, no luck there, for either Kells or 'Keeran. in fact, over half of the Farleys lived in "Moynalty".
The only link I found was this group of four names
Farley Catherine Golashane Moynalty Meath
Farley Catherine Shancarnan Moynalty Meath
Farley Catherine Newtown Newtown Meath
Farley Catherine Killynan (Cooke) Rathconnell Westmeath
I have provided them, just in case your information eventually gives you a link and have tried to underline Shancarnan, because phonetically it is similar to Keeran . Raveon = Victoria
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Keeran is a townland in the Siddan civil parish of Meath
raveon