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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: jake-2 on Friday 12 November 10 14:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Can anyone help?
When doing family research I came across the name Mrs Joan Black and her family(the family I was looking for) sailing from Glasgow to Quebec arriving on 23May 1910.onboard the Hesperian. Next to her name on the passenger list is written ""To husband 5 months----to be deported 819468."" As yet I can find no trace of her coming back to Scotland .and as yet have no trace of her in Canada.If she was deported to where and why?
Jake
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Jake,
When a person is deported or refused entry to a country they are normally returned either to the country they have just come from or to their native country. In this case it is likely she was sent back to the UK (but not necessarily Glasgow any UK port would do), on the next suitable sailing. That could be with the shipping line that brought her over, if the ship that brought her was going straight back to the UK, but it could be with another line if it wasn't. She should appear on a passenger list for the return journey. I have seen deportee (or similar) remarks against such passengers names.
Back in 1910 the border controls were fairly rudimentary. The most likely reasons then for being sent back would be either medical grounds or because she was destitute, or likely to become destitute. Perhaps her husband was not available (disappeared?) or able to support her?
Elwyn
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Most individual records of deportation from Canada don't survive, unfortunately. There is a book called "Whence they came: deportation from Canada, 1900-1935" available on Google Books which shows a nice table of deportation cases and their causes:
1910: medical 212, public charge 348, criminality, 130, other civil causes, 44
1911: medical 222, public charge 289, criminality, 179, other, 83, accompanying (canadian born children of those deported) 18.
If her husband had died or abandoned the family, she could have been deported under the "public charge" heading. I see she was heading to Toronto with a son Peter and a daughter Jeannie - son Peter appears possibly to be in some sort of children's home in Toronto in 1911.
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Also in an institution in 1911 are a Jean Black age 6 b. Scotland (although it says emigrated 1907 for her) and at the National Sanitorium in York Township (Toronto area) a Joan Black age 33 b. Scotland, no emigration date. There is a probable death record for this Joan in 1912.
The census can be accessed for free at this link. Toronto is in Ontario. Click on 'split view' to see the original images.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/
Can you tell us her husband's name? There is an address attached to the above death record that the husband of the deceased may be at in the census.
Continuing .....
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Hi thanks for getting back. Her husbands name was John Black born in Glasgow Scotland 1880 his occupation in the 1901 census is given as an Iron Moulder this is the last trace I have of him
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The institution that the Peter is in was apparently an orphanage in 1911. Where the young Jean was appears to have been just around the corner.
I'll have a look for the father.
Polarbear
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Did John have a brother Peter?
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Hi again Yes John had a brother Peter born about 1876 also in Glasgow. His Father was also called Peter
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Then this may be your John in the 1911 Census. This is from the free census link I gave you earlier. The image should be at the top and gives additional information. You need to enlarge the image (at the top) The lower part is only a partial transcription. John is on line 27, brother Peter on line 22.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=77725
And ..... was Joan's maiden name Joel or something vaguely similar to that?
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hi, yes it looks like your on to something her maiden name was JACK
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I am going to start with the death of Joan Black I mentioned earlier.
Joan Black 35 b. Scotland
27 Apr 1912
At Toronto Free Cons (possibly means Convalescent) Hospital
She was there 697 days so s/b the Joan on the 1911 Census
From 83 Kenwood Ave
Married
Housewife
Cause of death sent by PM (my personal policy for privacy)
Unfortunately there is no mention of next of kin. Kenwood Ave will come up in other records I will be posting shortly although not No. 83. If you google 'Kenwood Ave Toronto' you will get a little map that shows Kenwood to be one street over from Wychwood, which appears to be the street Peter and John are living in in the 1911 Census. Given the placement of the 2 possible children in institutions, I think this lady is probably your Joan. She was perhaps going to be deported for medical reasons but became too sick to be sent.
Will continue shortly ......
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I should perhaps have started with these 2 marriages b/c mother's maiden name should help you to be sure that Peter and John in the 1911 Census are indeed your folks.
These are the marriages of a son and daughter of Peter.
Mary Munce Black, 17 (with the written consent of her mother), Spinster, a Clerk, b. Scotland
Of 84 Kenwood Ave,
Parents Peter Black and Annie McGill
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Thomas Edward Marlow, 23, Bachelor, a Chauffeur, b. Worcestershire England
Of 24 Lonsdale Rd
Parents Edward Marlow and Sophia Brownson
At Toronto 02 Apr 1917
One witness was Jno Black of 98 Kenwood Ave
Bouncing screen ....will continue
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William McGill Black, 23, Bachelor, Operator, b. Scotland
Of 102 Kenwood Ave
Parents Peter Black and Annie McGill
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Catherine Margueretta Conwath, 21, Spinster, b. Toronto
Of 776Crawford St
Parents Edward Conwath and Janett Banks
At Toronto 15 Sep 1925
One witness was Walter R Black of 111 Kenwood Ave (Possibly another son born after the 1911 Census? Ontario births are protected by privacy laws for 100 years although the 1921 Census will be available in the next year or two, I believe.) and the other Gertrude Conwath.
On to young Peter ....
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Peter Black signed up with the CEF in WW1. You can use this link below for free access to his Attestatiopn Papers. His Reg No is 1087086. You will find 2 sets of papers .... he was apparently refused as underage at one point. He gives his next of kin as John Black of 98 Kenwood Ave so this John would appear to be the same one who witnessed the marriage of Peter's daughter. (Joining the dots) At the top of the page where you click to see the forms you will see a place to click for info about ordering the military files if you would like to have them.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/index-e.html
Unfortunately, this Peter appears to have died in 1919 ...
Peter Black, 18, b. Scotland, a Soldier, Single
20 Apr 1919
Father John Black
Mother Joan Joel? Jocl?
Cause of death sent by PM (my personal policy for privacy)
Mother's name may well have been Jack when originally written but the registry is a copy which means a mistranscription could have occurred.
Peter is buried in Prospect Cemetery in Toronto. If you google same you should be able to find contact info ..... the cemetery may be able to confirm the mother's name for you.
Bouncing again ... will continue
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Now then, Jeanie ....
I could not find a record of a marriage for Jeanie but it may have taken place beyond the limits of privacy laws. The Ontario index is currently at 1926 on line and a new year is added yearly. No intervening death either.
Was Jean her only name? (in case she might still turn up by another name she also had)
Some of this info is circumstantial but, on the whole, if Peter Black and Annie McGill are brother and sister-in-law of John I think most of it fits quite well. When the 1921 Census becomes available it may tie up some loose ends.
Check if your local library has Ancestry Library Edition ..... this should enable you to see the original images of the marriage and death records I posted herein.
Regards
Polarbear
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Hi PB, As far as I know Jeanie was her only name ,on her birth certificate her nane is given as Jeanie Thomson Black b 16 April 1904 at Camelon Falkirk.
I have found Jeanie as a name sometimes going under the names of Jean, Jane and sometimes Janet
Many thanks for your help you have me bouncing now
jake
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Hi PB I have just found the marriage certificate of Peter Black & Annie McGill in Scotland. It is the brother of the John we are looking for.
jake
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I am so pleased they have turned out to be yours. I have really enjoyed helping you with your request.
Polarbear :)
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Many Many thanks again,who knows I might need your help again in the future
thanks
jake