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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Grasc on Saturday 06 November 10 04:15 GMT (UK)
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Would some kind person be able to tell me or look up births in Queensland, Australia, for the children of William Armstrong & Medora Beit? The children were born between 1860 & 1874. Catherine/Katherine Medora, William Drayton, Mary, Jeanette, Frederica Emma, Eva, Maud, Gertrude. I am also looking for the date of death of Wyndham Fitzgerald Armstrong.
Thank you.
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Hi there
You can look them up here
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=births
Medora is misspelt often so just put the fathers name in.
Annie
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Thanks Annie. I have checked the site referred to & it only shows 4 unnamed females & 1 named female (Maud b 1871) with & without entering the father's name & without entering the mother's name. This leaves the birth year of 2 daughters & the only son, unnaccounted for.
I have a copy of the father's death certificate which shows all the children's names & ages at that time except that of one daughter who died before her father. I know her name but not her year of birth.
I'm still hoping to find which of the children was born in the years shown in the site you referred to.
Grasc
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That is all I could find as well. Are you sure the others weren't born somewhere else? It looks like the parents were not good at deciding on names quickly!!
Annie
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Have a search of:
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Leanne
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Dear Annie & Leanne - yes, all the children were definitely born in Queensland. I've trawled hundreds of the newspapers shown in the site you referred to Leanne & found all the marriages (fabulous site). I suspect Catherine/Katherine Medora was the first born followed by William Drayton (newspapers say he born 28 March 1861 & did not marry). Frederica Emma said to be the 4th daughter in her marriage notice. Gertrude's marriage notice says she was the youngest daughter so she was born after Maud (1871).
Another frustration is that birth notices in the newspapers show 'a daughter (or son) to the wife/lady of'.
But many thanks for your interest.
Grasc
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Noticing that some of them got married at the church in Towoomba, have you tried seeing if there are christening records for the children?
Annie
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there is a marriage for a Wyndham F. ARMSTRONG in NSW to Margaret T. MCDONALD, Scone, 1894.
2 births
John O. 1895
Wyndham E. 1896
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm
Leanne
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Hello Leanne
The names suggest that Wyndham F Armstrong is of the Armstrong family that I'm researching but Wyndham Fitzgerald Armstrong died between 1855 & 1857 in Queensland & there is no indication that he married. He was a doctor, trained in Ireland & came to Queensland hoping that the climate would cure his 'lung problem'. There is an 1854 Macdonald connection to the Armstrong family which adds a little weight to both Wyndham F Armstrong & Margaret Macdonald being descended from the earlier Macdonald/Armstrong connection.
Thank you very much for your help - much appreciated.
Grasc
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Good morning Annie
Many thanks for that suggestion - I hadn't thought of doing that so my next step will be to have a go at locating the baptism registers, assuming they still exist.
The Armstrong family was well-known in the Toowoomba area & I have reasonably good estimates of the birth years of the children but it would be nice to have an accurate record.
Grasc
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Hi there Grasc,
I think this may be the burial for your Wyndham Armstrong. Its in the NSW BDM Early Church Records, but Queensland was still part of NSW until separation in 1859. The ECR's at NSW BDM are typed up, so if you were considering a certificate, you will find the same info on a transcript, and they are cheaper and quicker to obtain.
NSW BDM online index reference V1855701 43A/1855 (the V is the pointer to the Early Church Records)... for a Windham ARMSTRONG aged 33. Do NOT anticipate finding much family history info on the certificate as it is for a burial, but it should give you the cemetery and the parish and date of burial. I think (from memory) that Volume 43 would be for C of E and in Sydney, perhaps around an inner west suburb. Several of the early cemeteries for Sydney are long gone, but I think Camperdown Cemetery may have many burials from Vol 43A ... (again this is from memory only) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camperdown_Cemetery and a shrunken link that hopefully takes you to a pdf file about the records at that Cemetery (if not, then perhaps geggle using "Camperdown Cemetery Sydney" http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ab9/ Also these links for that burial certificate : http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm (snail mail and expensive)
Transcripts : http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent (email and cheaper than NSW BDM certificate)
Fingers crossed .... Cheers, JM
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Back again,
Do you know when your Wyndham Fitzgerald ARMSTRONG arrived in the Colonies ?
I notice that the NSW State Records Office have a Surgeon/Cuddy named as W F Armstrong on the ship "Rodney" as a passenger/crew member, ex London, arrival date 15 March 1854...
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx
and
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/
Cheers, JM
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Dear JM
Have just had a breakthrough. Wyndham Francis Armstrong was born 1866, Bowen, Queensland & was a nephew of Dr. Wyndham Fitzgerald Armstrong.
Wyndham Francis married 1894 at Scone, New South Wales, Margaret Sarah McDonald. There is a website for the McDonald family of Margaret Sarah & it doesn't seem that the McDonalds & my Macdonalds are connected although I will keep an open mind as the spelling of the name varies.
Wyndham Francis & Margaret Sarah had a daughter Kathleen Armstrong born in Qld in 1899 & N.S.W. records show 2 sons born at Scone (1895 & 1896) to Wyndham F Armstrong & Margaret/Margaret S.
NSW records show a marriage at Scone in 1894 for Wyndham F Armstrong & Margaret T McDonald & Wyndham F Armstrong married 1894 at Scone, Margaret Macdonald. Many thanks for your interest. Grasc
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Dear JM
Fabulous - thank you so much for providing the sites & tips; will get cracking straight away. Dr. Wyndham Fitzgerald Armstrong was born (according to the family) in 1825 & was admitted to the Royal College of Surgeons in 1852. He came to Australia not long after that & practised at Drayton, Qld, joined soon after by his brother Dr. William Armstrong (my family). The date you provided for his death (if it proves to be the right man) fits well with all the other information I have, so I'm pretty sure this is being sorted out.
With gratitude
Grasc
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Dear Leanne
Your info about the 2 Armstrong children born at Scone in 1895 & 1896 was very helpful. The O in John O Armstrong born 1895 may well stand for Octavius, the name of Wyndham Francis Armstrong's father. Octavius was a younger brother of Wyndham Fitzgerald Armstrong.
Then I found a McDonald website that shows the marriage of Wyndham Francis Armstrong to Margaret Sarah McDonald at Scone in 1894. This fits nicely with the info shown in the NSW records. It doesn't appear that Margaret's family & my Macdonald family are connected but you never know.
With help from you, Annie & JM, I'm well on the way to putting Wyndham Fitzgerald Armstrong to rest.
Gratefully
Grasc