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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Jayson on Thursday 04 November 10 17:59 GMT (UK)
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This is a long shot.
Does anyone know anthing about the history, especially the age of a large farm house in Madeley? It's situated in Station Road and is the second house after the row of terrace cottages.
Sorry that I couldn't get any pics. I've used Google Street View to look at it.
The reason I ask is that my ancestor, James Bayley, was (in 1666) charged for eight hearths and I wondered if this might have been where he lived?
Jas :)
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Hi Jayson
Have not spoke for a while hope all is well :)
Dont know if this is anything new to you or any help, I cant say as i know anything about the house but the row of terrace houses that you call them, are what are called the Almshouses.
Sir John Offley in his will in 1647 left a endowerment that two Almshouses be built one for boys and one for girls, they were extended in 1889.
If you look on the Madeley web site it has a list of listed buildings, there are only two down station road one the Almshouses and another which is called the Town house.
Dont know without looking if the one you mentioned is called the town house or not.
Not much help i am afraid, anything i can do let me know.
Sue
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How silly of me :-[ of course you're right they're almshouses ;D
Good to hear from you again Sue, and hope all is well with you?
You know, I thought about knocking at the door and asking but I'm afraid I'm a bit of a chicken when it comes to that kind of thing. I couldn't see a sign or anything saying Town House but after what you have said I'm sure you're right.
Do you have access to any maps Sue which might confirm this?
jay ;)
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Hi Jay,
Below is a link to the Madeley conservation Map and site.
http://www.madeleyvillage.co.uk/conservation.htm
below is their list of conserved buildings etc in Madeley
Madeley Buildings and Monuments
Grade Listing
Street/Road
O.S. Map Reference
All Saints Church 1
Vicarage Lane
SJ 7730 4438
Birches Farmhouse 2
Castle Lane
SJ 7753 4434
Boat House at Madeley Manor 2
Heighley Castle Way
SJ 7779 4693
Farm buildings at Lower Stoney Low House 2
Stoney Low
SJ 7897 4390
Heighley Castle 2
Heighley Lane
SJ 7724 4675
Hey House 2
Manor Road
SJ 7758 4327
Higher Thornhill Farmhouse 2
Bowsey Wood Road
SJ 7658 4577
Lower Stoney Low House 2
Stoney Low
SJ 7899 4387
Madeley Manor and attached conservatory 2
Heighley Castle Way
SJ 7759 4591
Manor Farmhouse 2
Manor Road
SJ 7717 4276
Memorials in Church of All Saints Churchyard 2
Vicarage Lane
SJ 7730 4438
Milepost on A531 west of Bowsey Wood 2
SJ 7636 4649
Milepost on A525 Barhill Road 2
SJ 7687 4413
Milepost on A525 Newcastle Road 2
SJ 7764 4523
Netherset Hey Farmhouse 2
Netherset Hey Lane
SJ 7853 4340
Offley Almshouses and boundary walls 2
Station Road
SJ 7724 4419
Offley Well Head 2
Manor Road
SJ 7718 4394
Old Madeley Manor 2
Manor Road
SJ 7720 4230
School House 2
Barhill Road
SJ 7724 4435
Sir John Offley Primary School 2
Barhill Road
SJ 7725 4438
Telephone Kiosk (outside Sir John Offley School) 2
Barhill Road
SJ 7726 4439
The Cottage 2
Bowsey Wood
SJ 7677 4656
The Old Hall 2
Poolside
SJ 7734 4463
The White House 2
Poolside
SJ 7731 4466
Town House 2
Station Road
SJ 7726 4409
Ye Old House and Bridge Cottage (part) 2
Barhill Road
SJ 7719 4427
Yew Tree Cottage 2
Barhill Road
SJ 7529 4324
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Hi
I went to have a look this afternoom the second house after the almshouses is called the Town House.
As you are like me dont like knocking on people's door, might be worth writing a letter to see what they know about the history of there houre, you never know you may get a response. ;)
sue
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Thank very much for confirming this for me, Sue. At first I thought that the Town House may have been Victorian but I looked more closely I noticed that the roof line was very undulating which would indicate a much older building.
I will right a letter enclosing a few details and hopefully, with a bit of luck, I might find the answer.
Jay ;)
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Hi Jayson, we meet again,
The big house at the end of Station Road was the Crewe Arms pub. It used to be next to the station. The name has since been moved to the pub on the main road at Madeley Heath.
My wife's ancestors lived there for many years - William Houlding had it in 1841, 1851 and 1861 and his son Edward had it in 1871. They were publicans and farmers.
William's obituary says he was a tenant of Lord Crewe who must have owned the Crewe Arms - it was at the edge of Madeley Park which Lord Crewe owned at that time.
Peter
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Hi again Jayson,
Attached photo of the Crewe Arms Hotel taken from the Church carpark.
The Crewe Arms is the large building on the left with the Almshouses to the right. But I do not know what the white building in the middle is.
The 1891 map shows it named as the Crewe Arms Hotel and a recent map shows it as the Town House.
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Hi,
I have a friend who I believe used to live in the Town House in Madeley. I have emailed him to see if I am right and if he knows anything of its history. I'll get back to you when I have a reply.
Jen
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Hi Pepsi
Thanks for the lovely photo.
I'm certain, but obviously need more proof, that this was the home of James Bayley in 1666 as it seems to be the only property big enough to have had 8 hearths at the time of the Hearth Tax and he was described as living in Great Madeley.
According to a 1708 map of Madeley The Town House seems to be situated on land owned by Weston Bayley. But I know he lived at the Moss House.
It will be interesting to see if Jen's friend knows about the place.
Jay :)
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Sadly, I was wrong. It wasn't Madeley but another nearby place.
However, he has given me the email address of someone who knows quite a bit about the history of Madeley so all is not lost. No guarantees but if this other friend can help, I'll be back again.
I'm guessing it could be after Christmas, what with the world going slightly mad at the moment.
Jen
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I can't help noticing the posting by Pepsi62 about William Houlding of Madeley who I am currently researching via his son Joseph William and his wife Emma Alice Bebbington (m.1861) and would love to hear more of them and their ancestors, if possible, please...
Many thanks,
Caspar
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Well, you are the first person I have come across researching the Houldings.
Joseph William and Emma Alice are my wife's g-grandparents and we have quite a lot on their family, although with a few key gaps.
Emma is from Nantwich which is where they lived and raised their family and ran a drapers business - although for some reason they got married in Liverpool.
Joseph's parents are William and Martha and they ran the Crewe Arms hotel in Madeley (it was next to the mainline railway). William originates from Gorsty Hill which is not far away.
Will be interested to know which branch of the family you fit in and are researching.
Peter
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Hi Peter,
All I have on the Houldings is derived from the IGI & freebmd (& your postings here) and so I would be fascinated to compare notes, if possible, please.
I did not know that William Joseph and Emma Alice had a drapers business.
I believe that William Joseph and Emma Alice had twin daughters called Annie and Alice Jessie christened at Nantwich in 1877, although born in 1868 - looking at my notes today, I rather wonder if my statement is quite accurate owing to the gap between birth and christening.
I am following the line of Alice Jessie who married Henry Ray in 1890. However this line is not my own immediate ancestors, but rather those of the recent bride of one of my cousins.
I you would prefer to continue this chat offline then please email me at justforbrinnysuse at gmail.com AND please post again here if you do so since I do not regularly check that email address.
Many thanks,
Caspar
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Hi Caspar,
I think I have most of the descendents from Joseph William and Emma Alice - although it is all not quite straight-forward and there is some tragedy mixed in with good fortune.
Annie and Alice Jessie were not twins. Joseph and Emma had 6 of their children baptised at the same time, varying in age from 9 weeks to 11 years.
Alice Jessie's is rather an interesting story - her husband Henry Ray died in 1891 only a few weeks after the birth of their daughter Alice and she re-married into a rather wealthy new lifestyle.
I agree that it is probably better to carry on now via email so I will put something together to send you - but it might take a couple of weeks.
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Thank you for clarifying Joseph & Emma's children - I had wondered if it might be something like that.
I should be very pleased to hear more and shall look forward to that whenever it is convenient to you.
Many thanks,
Caspar
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Hello, I'm researching my other half's family tree and I have an address called Hay Farm Cottages. I'm looking around 1908 and I wondered if it's among the properties you are discussing. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks
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Welcome to rootschat, Wookieeresearch.
On the 1911 census 11 and 12 Hay Cottages and Hay Farm, Madeley, appear to be top and tailed by Station Road, numbers 23 and 9.
No numbers, nor can I see the named farm
https://maps.nls.uk/view/121150868#zoom=4&lat=9270&lon=9398&layers=BT
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On 1881 census Hay Cottages are on page 54 of 55, and you can read the enumerator's route on page 1.
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Anything here?
http://madeleylocalhistory.org/buildings/anauct3.html
??http://madeleylocalhistory.org/buildings/great-hay.html
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Thank you very much. A relative had hanged herself in one of the cottages where they lived in 1908 and I just wondered if they were still standing.
Thanks
Q
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Sorry to jump on to this post, but does anyone know anything on the history of Birches Cottage in Madeley, Crewe?
We moved here in August last year and we belive its just over 200 years old, desperate to know more about it and see if we can find any photos of it.
Thank you
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I would start by looking at census returns, newspapers and maps especially tithe maps as these name the tenant and landowner. I would also suggest looking around the churchyard at Madeley because sometimes an individual’s residence might be mentioned on the tombstone.
Good luck
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Suggest you contact your local history society to see if they have done any work on it - they might have been very busy behind the scenes. Our local history society is.
Do you have access to old newspapers and tithe maps? If you don't, the local society probably will, or can point you in the right direction.