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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: DixieDee on Thursday 04 November 10 16:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi.
Trying to find out what became of Margaret Campbell, born 30 April 1909, Toronto, Canada.
Father, Robert Campbell, mother Margaret Dougherty. Married 1907, City of Brantford, Ontario, Canada.
May have been sent to live with relatives in Kells / Connor area, Campbells or Carsons, when her father remarried in Belfast.
Regards,
Dixie
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This is probably going to be difficult- 1911 is last available census, online civil registration for Northern Ireland only go up to 1921, recent church records and other information will not be online due to privacy issues.
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Hi Dixie and aghadowey :)
From her birth cert it states that she is born in 1908 (April 30th) , York, Ontario
Do you have her in 1911?
deb
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There's no trace of a Margaret Campbell b Canada, aged 3, in the 1911 Irish census.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/?then
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Only Campbell born in Canada I could find was a little girl the right age (3 years) but her name is Catherine Annie-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Whitehouse/Whitehouse/191117
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I'm, wondeing if they didn't leave Canada prior to the 1911 census ...I can't see her anywhere....neither Robert and Margaret the parents.
Robert is bc 1885 Ireland ..I think Margaret Dougherty was bc 1884 ...need to find the marriage again.
Canadian Marriage certs are fab ... both mother and father's name are given ...wish we had that for the UK!!! 8)
I saw a border crossing for a Robert (3) and Margaret (1) ...no parents with them though.
I also searched for other children born to this couple Campbell/Dougherty ...nothing forthcoming.
There are so many Margaret Campbells on passenger lists ....there is no way to know if we have to correct one.
deb
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Who was Robert's 2nd wife?
Lots of Robert Campbell's on Passenger lists too.
deb
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Do you know who are listed as Robert Campbell's parents for 1907 marriage?
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Marriage details
Robert Campbell (transcribed Campell) 22 , bachelor, b Ireland, Labourer
parents:
Mr. John Campbell and Rose Carson
religion: C of E
Margaret Dougherty, 23, B Ireland, spinster
Parents:
Dennis Dougherty and Helen Cayle/Coyle
Religion ; C of E
date of Marriage 25 July 1907
Brantford
deb
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Looks like Rose Campbell in 1901 census with brother John Carson-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Kells/Lisnawhiggle/931277
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good one!!! :)
arrghhh I hate it when I can't find people...
deb
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Sgtill looking for Rose in 1911 without any luck :(
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Rose or do you mean Margaret b 1908?
If Margaret, I cannot spot her at all in 1911.
Wonder when Robert remarried and where ...did he remarry in Canada or Belfast?
deb
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Tried for Margaret in 1911 Irish census earlier without luck and then grandmother Rose in 1911 in case they were together but nothing.
First post says "her father remarried in Belfast."
Wonder when 2nd marriage took place- if we had a date might be able to find Robert and daughter Margaret arriving in U.K.
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Can you see John Carsons anywhere ... maybe Margaret went to stay with him.
umm maybe I should try to find Margaret Campbell nee Dougherty's death
deb
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Only possibility I can see at the moment for Rose Campbell's brother John Carson is this one (living alone)-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Kells/Kells/121866/
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I searched the 1911 for Margaret, plus no surname, (in case her surname is either mis-spelled or changed), born Canada. There were 2 who loosely fitted, but neither fits this info. She doesn't seem to be in the census, or if she was, her place of birth wasn't recorded as Canada.
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I even tried searching for a female age 3 (+/- 5 yrs) born Canada!
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Morning
Just found this passenger list...
Robert Campbell , bc 1885, age 42yrs 7 months, Northern Ireland, BELFAST
occ: Moulder,
status; Married
Arrival Date: 19 Mar 1928 , NY
Port of Departure: Belfast, Northern Ireland
Ship Name: Aurania
with his son:
Robert J Campbell, 16years 9 months, messenger, b Belfast
this would make the son bc June 1911, Belfast
I wonder if this is our Robert with son from 2nd wife?
deb
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another one ...
this one looks pretty good!
Leaving: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
arriving: 22 May 1910, Liverpool
ship: Lake Champlain
Robert Campbell, engineer, 24, bc 1886
Mrs. Campbell , wife , 25, bc 1885
Maggie Campbell , 2 years, b 1908!!
On Robert's marriage cert his wife was a year older than him! They seem to fit!
deb
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Well, you've been busy. I certainly like the 1910 record- but where are they in 1911?
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where are they in 1911?
I wish I knew!!! :-\ :-\
It would help if we had the new wife's name!
deb
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Any chance they might have been in England or Scotland on census night? Perhaps its worth checking those 2 censuses?
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1911 Scottish census hasn't been released yet and I don't think they are in england but were not allowed to do look-ups for that census.
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Hi folks.
Boy, you have all been very busy !
The info deb usa posted on the family returning to Ireland on the ship Lake Champlain, looks like them. It might answer a question that we wanted to know, where Helen, the mother, died. We had assumed she died in Canada, but it looks possible she could have died in Ireland.
In the 1911 census Maggie (Margaret) and her father Robert, are living in Cosgrove Street, North Queen Street area of Belfast, with his mother, Rose Campbell, formerly Carson.
Cosgrove Street, plus a few other streets in the area, have been left out of the 1911 online census.
Margaret Campbell's father married again in 1917, recorded as a widower, to Susan McCracken. Susan died in 1930. Unable to say if they had any children.
Margaret or Maggie was, or so we have been told, sent to live with relatives.
Kells / Connor for the Campbells and Carsons. The other possible was Londonderry area, city or county, for the Doughertys and the Coyles. Had no luck on the Londonderry Forum.
Thanks for all your efforts, all your info much appreciated.
Regards,
Dixie
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Here's a link to the older thread on LONDONDERRY board- would have saved us lots of searching if we'd had that and also known why we can't find them in 1911 census in Belfast.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,327633.0.html
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Hi folks.
Boy, you have all been very busy !
The info deb usa posted on the family returning to Ireland on the ship Lake Champlain, looks like them. It might answer a question that we wanted to know, where Helen, the mother, died. We had assumed she died in Canada, but it looks possible she could have died in Ireland.
Regards,
Dixie
I thought Maggie's mum was Margaret not Helen...wasn't Helen her grandmother ie: Margaret Dougherty's mum?
It looks like Maggie's mum went back to Ireland and Robet married a few years after she "died"
deb
deb