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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Breconshire => Topic started by: Llanfihangel on Wednesday 03 November 10 19:26 GMT (UK)
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I would like to contact someone who could check the existence of a memorial plaque to "Thomas and Eleanora Pugh" in St Michael's church at Llanfihangel Nant Bran.
Also from anyone who knows more about the Pughs who lived there in the 1600s to 1700s.
I have a Bishop's transcript record of "Thomas, the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Pugh" who was baptised there in 1714. And I have good records for Evan Pugh (1743) and his descendants who lived there for the next 100 years
Many thanks!
Llanfi
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Hi,
Can you wait for the thaw? I will visit the Church for you when I can get ny car off the yard!
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Of course!
Many thanks for your kindness! And if you don't get there this month, may I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year..
Best Regards.
Llanfi :)
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Hi,
First day that I could get my car off the yard today, but also the day my first grandchild was born - so didn't get to the Church! However, I've spoken to someone on the phone who tells me there is a plaque in the Church for 'Evan Pugh died 1819 late of this village'. She tells me there are a lot of inscriptions in the Church that are high up & difficult to read, but I will certainly go to see a.s.a.p.. Just thought I would let you know about Evan.
Will be intouch - no need to reply.
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Thank you, Kayzee!
That information fits exactly with my knowledge of Evan Pugh, but this is the first time I've known of the date of his death (1819).
He married Joan Jones in 1779, and their children were Samuel, Thomas, David, Mary, Catharine, and Anne in Llanfihangel Nant Bran when he died in 1819.
Thomas was a Maltster and Anne ran "The Three Horseshoes" Public House in Llanfihangel Nant Bran.
The "Old Malt House" is still there, and I think "The Three Horseshoes" is probably the nice looking house next door, now called "The Granary".
I have a record of the baptism of Thomas Pugh son of Thomas Pugh and Elizabeth in Llanfihangel Nant Bran Church over a century earlier in 1714.
So the Memorial to Thomas and Eleanora might be covered with a lot of cobwebs by now!
Best regards,
Llanfi :) :) :)
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Hi,
I popped up to the Church yesterday, but it was a little disappointing. There are only 10 tablets altogether, of which only 5 are legible to me. They are very high up & in very poor condition. Even the Evan Pugh one is not recognisable to me. The information I received about his death in 1819 was gained from a pamplet which I can only assume was done some years ago. There were no other Pughs mentioned, so I can only assume if there was another tablet, it was already illegible when the pamplet was written.
However, I know the people who live in what was the 3 Horseshoes pub, now called The Pentre ( The Granary attached was a granary & coach house), they also own The Malt House (both the Granary & Malt House are holiday lets - so you could stay in them!). I have spoken to the owners & although they didn't seem to have any knowledge of the Pugh's, they were interested, so maybe they will come up with some information in the New Year.
Also, there is a chap locally who was very keen on the local history & he might have some info, but he was quite frail when I met him 20 years ago, so I will enquire as to how open he might be to some questions as he might have some knowledge.
You will of course understand that all these people are farmers & it is a very busy time with the snow & Christmas, so although I may not come up with anything immediately, I will try to find out something for you before the lambing season which up here is March. Keep your fingers crossed that this 2nd fall of snow thaws quicker than the last!
Have you looked in the Churchyard for inscriptions? I assume as you have knowledge of the village that perhaps you have? I don't want to waste my time looking there if you already have.
Sorry for the lack of info.
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Forgot to say, the owners of the Granary tell me there is a date stone of 1822 on it.
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To Kayzee,
I am really grateful for your help in this, and I send you my best wishes from Canada. I have become aware of Llanfihangel Nant Bran because of my ancestry search, but I haven't visited the village. Maybe next year. Most of my information regarding the Pughs has been garnered from Census records and Bishop's Transcripts. The Census data is available on the Internet and the Bishop's Transcripts came from the Library of Wales. Perhaps my most important "finds" were a will made by David Pugh in Llanfihangel Nant Bran in 1826, and data from "Garfydd" on RootsChat. Google Street View provides an excellent series of images of the Village. In the early 1800s the Pughs ran a Coopers shop, Pub, Shoemakers, and Malt House there. They seem to have dispersed to other parts of Wales by about 1850, but I expect there are still a number of Pugh's around there!For example, there was a family of Pughs in Llandeilo'r Fan, the parish next door, who might be related somehow. The search has been very interesting for me, and I appreciate all the help I have received from you and others on Rootschat.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family,
Llanfi
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Hi,
I'm not sure how much this will help as it is all 'later' information, but I visited the record office in Llandrindod Wells to help out a friend & I thought I would do a quick search for some Pughs. Unfortunately, the records there only go back to 1813 & I only got to look at the burials.
Evan Pugh bd 24 Jly 1819 aged 76 of Llanfihangel Village
David Pugh bd 17 Jan 1826 aged 33 of Village
Thomas Pugh bd 10 Feb 1853 aged 67 of Village
Margaret Pugh bd 25 Dec 1871 aged 80 of Upper Talern? Llanfihangel Nant Bran.
Henry Rees Pugh 10 JLy 1919 Pentwyn Cottage
A feeble effort I know, but a start! Let me know if you would like me to check the birth & marriage records next time I go - it might not be in the very near future. If you do come to Wales, the National Library probably has the earlier registers.
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Hello Kayzee,
So it's spring again in Canada, as well as in Wales! I appreciate the information on Evan, David, and Thomas who were definitely members of my family. I don't know who remained in the village after about 1850. My immediate ancestor moved to Llangorse in about 1830. I have all of his descendants traced to about 1911. We ended up in Vancouver!
It has been very interesting learning (for the first time) of the history of Wales in the 1800s. but the period of 1700 - 1800 is like the "dark ages" in terms of local history.
Do you know of any local accounts of the history of the village. If so, I would like to get a copy. Maybe I can find a relative there after all!
Please give my regards to the owners of the Granary and the Malt House. I have seen their web site, and they have done a superb job of renovation. Pity the Three Horseshoes connection hasn't prevailed, although it is clearly marked on one of the OS maps.
If you have the time, and inclination, I would like to confirm some of the births and marriages. In particular, the birth of Elizabeth Powell about 1836, and who her parents were. She married my g-grandfather in 1860. Also, I am interested in confirmation that Samuel Pugh married Margaret Williams in the CM Chapel at Ll.N.B. in 1824. He was my gg-grandfather.
My very best wishes and thanks for your replies.
Llanfi
;) ;) ;)
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Hello Kayzee,
I hope you had a very pleasant Easter Break!
I found Elizabeth Powell's baptism in the Church records at Llandeilo'r Fan, thanks to the help of the Library of Wales. She was the daughter of Thomas Powell and Esther Griffith, and was baptised on November 9 1936. I now have good records of my family back to Thomas Pugh's baptism in LLanfihangel Nant Bran in 1714. His father's name was Thomas Pugh and his wife was Elizabeth, so I am searching for a Thomas Pugh born around 1690.
For the record, my earliest ancestor in LlnB (Bishop's Transcripts) was Thomas Pugh, born Llanfihangel Nant Bran September 13 1714 to "Thoma Pugh and Elizabetha uxe" There was a Thomas Pugh buried there in the 2nd of February 1728, and "Elizabetha Pugh uxor Thoma Pugh" was buried 6 December 1723.
I haven't been able to go further back than this. My remaining clue is a reference to Thomas Pugh and Elinor being prosecuted in 1687 in Brecon. They lived in Llywell, the parish next to Llanfihangel Nant Bran. I am sending details from the document on the Internet in the hope that someone might connect them with my family... I would also like to know what happened to them.
Here is the web address for the reference:
http://www.archive.org/stream/historicalmemora01lloyuoft/historicalmemora01lloyuoft_djvu.txt
My edit: "At the General Session of the Peace of our Lord the King, held at Brecon, in and for
the same county, on the 12th day of January 1687, in the 1st year of James of Scotland, now of
England. Before etc., and other justices for preserving the peace in the same county.
" THE FOLLOWING WERE PRESENTED FOR NOT COMING TO CHURCH FOR THREE SUNDAYS
LAST PAST, NAMELY :
Parish of Llywell. Thomas Pugh and Elinor uxor ejus (His wife)"
(There were many others brought to court in Brecon for the same offence on that date)
Best regards!
Llanfi :) :) :)
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Hi,
Thank you for the update. I'm sorry I have not been back in touch re Elizabeth Powell, but I have not had a chance to look into it at all. However, you appear to have done very well yourself. I have a very busy few days ahead yet & no time to get my head around your finds at the minute, but will hopefully look at it in the next few weeks & will certainly get back to you before I visit the archives next - hopefully within the next month - fingers crossed.
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Hello all!
I thought I would post all the names of the people brought to court in Brecon
[Page 10 of the County Quarter Sessions book of Orders, Vol. 1. From 1686 to
5th October, 1713.]
" THE FOLLOWING WERE PRESENTED FOR NOT COMING TO CHURCH FOR THREE SUNDAYS
LAST PAST, NAMELY :
Penderyn. John Thomas, Elinor Thomss, John Lewis, David Thomas, Thomas Lewis For the above offence.
Pro consimili (For the like)
Llywell. Thomas Pugh and Elinor uxor ejus (His wife)
Llangynidr. Thomas Prosser Howell, de Llangynidr ; Thomas John
William, de eadem ; Evanus Powell, et Maria uxor ejus ; Ludovicus
Prytherch, Thomas David, et Maria uxor ejus ; John David,
Thomas Williams, Anna Watkins, Thomas Prosser, et Margaretta,
uxor ejus ; William John et Jana, uxor ejus, Anna Price, Thomas '
Prosser, et Jana, uxor ejus ; Thomas John Walter, et Jana uxor
ejus, Thomas William et uxor, William Watkin de eadem, Matilda
Edmund, Matilda James, Maria, uxor Jenkm Lewis, Evanus John . . .
Thanks
Llanfi
:) :) :)
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Hello again;
I searched the Llandeilo'r Fan and Llanfihangel Nant Bran Hearth Tax records for the 1660's and found no Pughs or Ap Hughs there at all. I assume this means that they were living somehwere else in those times.
There are lots of Pugh families in Wales, and I would like to know if anyone has a record of Thomas Pugh and wife Elizabeth, married about 1712... They had a son Thomas in Llanfihangel Nant Bran in 1714.
:) :) :)
Llanfi
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To Kayzee,
Hi!
I have done a bit more research and found from the tithe maps that the Three Horseshoes was right across the road from the Church. I also found that three generations of LlnB Pughs were Church people, based on two Thomas's as Churchwardens, and David the most recent (1826). I found two distinct Pugh families at Merthyr Cynog around 1700. One family was quite well off and were famous non-conformists. One of the was Thomas John Pugh. The other family was associated with the Church there, Hugh Bevan, Thomas Pugh, John Pugh and they might be related somehow. There were Pugh families in Llandeilo'r Fan, Maesmynis, Llangamarch, Aberyscir, Battle, and Builth. I haven't found a connection with any of them to the LlNB Pughs.
One of these days I will write a short account of the families in LlnB, but not just yet..
Hope the summer is nice and warm over there...
Cheers,
Llanfi
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Pleased to hear that you are making progress - your post might also spark interest from someone connected to your family.
Good luck with future research,
Kay
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Hello Kayzee
I have been researching the Williams ancestry as well as the Pughs because of an exceptionally close DNA link with a Benjamin Williams on Family Search DNA. His name is John Williams and he e livedin the US but his ancestor David Williams left Brecon in 1832 to emigrate to Radnor Ohio, like so many did from the Brecon area. I have researeched Radnor Ohio a lot!
The Gwilym family donated a silver chalice to the Rev. David John Gwilym of St Michaels Church in Llanfihangel Nant Bran in 1615. The chalice has some intriguing inscriptions on it that I would like to know more about. It is probably still in the possession of the Vicar there.
Are you located near there? If so could you contact the Vicar for me, and ask if he still has that chailce?
Thanks
David Pugh