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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: wickfield on Wednesday 03 November 10 11:33 GMT (UK)
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Is there someone who can look up the following two marriages to see if possibly they refer to the same marriage and/or if there is additional information offered?
1. John Simpson married Sarah Pottinger 10 OCT 1814 Saint James, Westminster, London, England
2. John Simpson married Maria Peters 13 OCT 1814 Saint James, Westminster, London, England
Thank you in advance!
Diane
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1. John Simpson married Sarah Pottinger 10 OCT 1814 Saint James, Westminster, London, England
The marriage took place after Banns had been called. Both John Simpson & Sarah Pottinger were 'of this Parish'. John signed, Sarah made her mark. Witnesses were Richd Wyerth (?) and Rebecca Higgins (made her mark).
2. John Simpson married Maria Peters 13 OCT 1814 Saint James, Westminster, London, England
The marriage was by Licence. Both 'of this Parish'. Both parties signed. Witnesses were Joseph Hornbuckle and Ann Simpson.
Jennifer
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Hi Diane
Here is all the info contained
John Simpson to Maria Peters both of this parish married by Licence witnesses Ann Simpson and John Horbuckle
John Simpson to Sarah Pottinger both of this parish married by Banns witnesses Richard Wyatt and Rebecca Higgins
John signed in both cases
Jan ;)
Snap :D
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Hi Jennifer and Jan,
Thank you both so much for the quick replies. So I guess these are two separate couples.
Would it be possible for two more look ups?:
John Simpson born to John and Sarah Simpson
15 JUN 1817 Saint Luke, Chelsea, London, England
Emma Simpson born to John and Mary Ann Simpson
25 JUN 1843 St Pauls, Hammersmith, London, England (born 8 May, 1842).
Best regards,
Diane
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John Simpson born to John and Sarah Simpson
15 JUN 1817 Saint Luke, Chelsea, London, England
The only addition information is their abode, which was New Road, and John's occupation, which was Labourer.
Sorry, I don't see any record for the other baptism.
Jennifer
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Wonder if the 1817 John died young as there is another baptism at St Lukes for a John Simpson parents John and Sarah abode Queen St occupation labourer on 24 June 1821
Jan ;)
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Thank you so much again? Do there seem to be any other children of the couple John and Sarah Simpson christened at St Lukes? A Sarah? I believe that Sarah Simpson may have died by 1825, is it possible for either of you to look for a death record for a Sarah Simpson between 1817/21 - 1825?
Thanks again,
Diane
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The only other baptism in St Lukes for John and Sarah is a Sarah baptised 26 Mar 1820 abode Queen St occupation labourer. I will look for a burial.
Jan ;)
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There is a Sarah Simpson abode Cumberland St age 5 months buried at St Lukes on 26 Oct 1820
Jan ;)
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Hi,
Thanks! I believe the mother, Sarah Simpson, may have died too by 1825. Is there a burial for either John Simpson (c. 1821), the son, or Sarah Simpson the mother perhaps between 30-40 years old.
Thanks,
Diane
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Hi Diane
I could only see the baby Sarah - is it possible they moved and other burials occurred in another parish?
Jan ;)
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Thanks again, Jan!! It's quite possible that they moved around within London. I don't think that the second baby John Simpson actually died young, but lived some time on to have a daughter Emma Simpson -- just wanted to check.
Is it possible for you to look up the following marriage in Saint Pancras?:
John Simpson married Mary Ann Moore 17 SEP 1843, Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England.
Thanks,
Diane
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John is a widower of full age occupation servant father John deceased, Mary Ann is a spinster of full age father John deceased witnesses AG Webb and Charlotte Moore all parties signed
Jan ;)
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Thanks, Jan, for spending your time helping me. I'm running out of ideas and I'll have to think about this more. But when you get the chance can you look up two final christening records for me and then I'll have to think about what I have?:
Mary Anne Simpson born to John and Mary Ann Simpson
04 JUN 1843 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England (born 16 DEC 1840).
and then look for an Emma Simpson christened around 1841-44 in Saint Pancras
[Note the record no one could find: Emma Simpson born to John and Mary Ann Simpson
25 JUN 1843 St Pauls, Hammersmith, London, England (born 8 May, 1842).]
Best regards,
Diane
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The extra info on Mary Anne's baptism - abode Collier Place, occupation Bricklayer
They also had a John Henry baptised Dec 17 1843 Collier Place bricklayer
No Emma that I could see. On 1851 census they have a William age 3 and Jemma 1 plus Mary Ann 10 but no John Henry and are living in Clerkenwell - John senior is 28 born ??? I can't read it, it is indexed as St Pancras.
I note Mary Ann was born 1840 before the 1843 marriage to Mary Ann Moore, on the 1841 census there is
Anns Place St Pancras
John Simpson 15 Bricklayer
Mary Simpson 15
Mary Simpson 6mo
All born in county
HO107/685/18/31 Pg53
In 1841 ages were rounded down for those over 15 so 15 is 15-19
There is a marriage for John Simpson and Ann Mary Sweetland 15 July 1840 and a death for a Mary Ann Simpson Mar qtr 1841 Pancras District which could be her.
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan,
Thank you so much for all of your help -- it is greatly appreciated by me. As I was saying earlier I will have to think more about this and where to go from here. Take care!
Best regards,
Diane
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Hi Diane
You've got quite a task on - John Simpson seems almost as common as John Smith! If you need any more look-ups don't hesitate to ask.
For the sake of completeness
Jemima Simpson born Feb 8 1849 baptised Clerkenwell St Philip Sep 19 1852 parents John and Mary Ann abode 40 Margaret St occupation Bricklayer
Jane born Jul 31 1852 baptised same day
Regards
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan,
Thank you for your last entry! Every little bit helps and this John Simpson is definitely a complicated mystery for my Pottinger family that originates in Berkshire. Do you only specialize in look-ups in the London area or are there other areas within England as well?
Thanks again and you're so kind!
Take care!
Diane