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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: BarneyElf on Tuesday 02 November 10 22:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi Folks !! - Glad to be aboard "rootschat.com"... ;D
The attached photo shows my grandfather (Thomas Adams Snr) with his wife, (Charlotte Adams Jnr - nee Turner) and only son, (Thomas Adams), (my father). My grandfather was with the 'old 36th' ulster div. in WW1. His wife is from Ballyness, Somerset, Coleraine, Co. Londonderry - (1901 & 1911 census). My grandfathers parents were Henry Adams (Killowen St. Coleraine) and Mary Adams (nee DOGHERTY) from Boho, Fermanagh area ::)
Where would I find out any details of my grandfathers parents marriage etc. My grandfather was born in 1880 and I have 'deduced' his parents were born about 1860 '+' or '-' a few years.
They lived in 'Killowen' most of their lives, then my father got married ** and they lived at 36 Shuttle Hill, Coleraine.
When I was 3 years old we moved from Shuttle Hill to 36 Willow Drive, Millburn, Coleraine, where I lived till 1979 and then moved and got married.
???Where and when was the photo taken and what is Charlottes dress style? He was a stevedore at Coleraine Harbour in civvy street and she was a seamstress - where would she have worked?
Any information would be most warmly appreciated and welcomed. ;)
** Moderator's Comment: recent family details removed in accordance with Rootschat policy.
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Welcome to Rootschat. Let's start with this- "Where and when was the photo taken and what is Charlottes dress style? He was a stevedore at Coleraine Harbour in civvy street and she was a seamstress - where would she have worked?"
The photo could have been taken anywhere- are there any markings at the bottom or on the back to give clues?
Seamstresses often worked from home.
The names in your post (Adams, Turner, McCandless) all are familiar and fairly common around Coleraine. Any connection to William H. Adams who married (1908) Margaret Ross?
Here's Henry Adams and family in 1911 census- says married 30 years and daughter Sarah McCandless is a widow (are you sure that Mary Adams' maiden name was McCandless- I can't find her in my McCandless notes)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Killowen_Street/588899
I do however have details about Sarah (Adams) McCandless- she married 1908 Hugh McCandless (c1886-1908/1911)- in 1901 his occupation was medical hall help (possibly some sort of chemist's assistant). They had one son, Robert, who's listed in census. Hugh McCandless' parents were Hugh and Elizabeth (Brownlee) McCandless. Strangely enough the McCandless family lived in Adams Row in 1911!
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Aghadowey - that is the fastest reply to a query I have had in the past 4 years - thank you so much. The details I have are:-
I don't have the actual photo, only a copy - my sister has the original, so I must get at her and try to see it.
Henry Adams and Mary McCandless
sons, Thomas (my grandfather) and Henry jnr and daughters, Sarah (married McCandless) and Mary.
This was taken from 1911 census. They lived at 66 and 81 Killowen Street, Coleraine, so they must have moved between the census years ... Also a Robert McCandless was a grandson, I suppose he was Sarah Adams' (who married McCandless') son.
Where did you find the info that young Robert worked in a chemist shop ?? .......
Thank you once again for your help - it has made a big difference - much oblidged my friend ..
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Possibly this is Charlotte Turner's parents:
Thomas Turner, son of Thomas, married 29 Dec.1868 Coleraine to Charlotte Gaston, daughter of James.
Also, 27 Nov.1868 James Gaston, son of James, married Margaret Turner, daughter of Thomas.
1901 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Somerset/Castleroe/1516822
1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Somerset/Ballyness/587777
Charlotte Turner's death was registered Apr./June 1912. Thomas Turner possibly died 1917.
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I was typing the above Turner details while you were posting so here's a few more bits.
It was Hugh McCandless (Sarah Adams' husband) who worked in medical hall in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Coleraine/Millburn_Cottages/1518707
Here's Henry Adams' family in 1901- 66 is the number of the household on the census form not a street number:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Coleraine/Killowen_Street/1517885
And here they are in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Killowen_Street/588899
If you look at Form B you can see that there is no house number-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002803447
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And yet more- Henry Adams married (1880 Co.Derry) to Mary Dogherty. At the moment I can only identify 7 children of Henry and Mary (1911 census said there were 8 but only 7 living).
1. Thomas (c1882).
2. John (c1883) m.(1901) Mary Doherty. 1911- living Killowen St.
3. Robert (c1885)
4. Sarah (c1889) m. Hugh McCandless.
5. Margaret (c1891).
6. Henry (1893).
7. Mary (c1904).
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Last bit for tonight-
Henry Adams, Killowen St., 10th Bn. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
William Adams, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
John Adams, Killowen St., 10th Bn. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
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Am posting some Turner information in case you don't already have it.
Thomas Turner m.(1868) Charlotte Gaston (details posted above)- children:
1. Mary Eliza born 1 Oct.1869 Aghadowey district, Derry
2. James born 5 July 1871 Aghadowey district
3. Elizabeth Ann born 28 Apr.1873 Aghadowey district, m. Samuel Neilans
4. Margaret born 26 May 1875 Dirraw district, Antrim- "Maggie" at home in 1901 census.
5. Thomas born 25 Oct.1876 Slavney?, Ballymoney district, Antrim - at home in 1901 census.
6. Charlotte born c1881 m. Henry Adams.
7. Annie born c1885 m. Hugh Clark.
Elizabeth Ann "Bessie" Turner married 1894 to Samuel Neilans and had at least 3 children. Not sure if she's the Mary Eliza born 1869- suspect Bessie was a younger child, perhaps Mary Eliza died young.
1. Thomas born c1896- 1911 with Turner grandparents
2. Maggie born c1898- 1911 with aunt Annie Clark
3. Mary born c1903- 1911 with Turner grandparents
In 1901 the Neilans are living in Liffock-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Articlare/Liffock/1517051
There's no trace that I can find of Samuel in 1911 census nor a death for him between 1901/1911- but the spelling of the surname might be the problem. However, Bessie Neilans' death was registered July/Sept.1910 and gives her age as 34. This is probably why the 3 children are living with relatives by the 1911 census.
Annie Turner married Hugh Clark and had 3 children by 1911 although at the time of the census only 2 daughters were living. Interestingly, both the daughters were born in Scotland. Annie's neice Maggie Neilans is also in the household.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Coleraine/Taylor_s_Row/590143
Looks like son Thomas Turner was a water baliff by 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Somerset/Ballyness/587772
This might be the son James Turner in 1901 and 1911 census records (should be Articlave not Articlare)- the location is close to where Bessie Neilans lived and this could be how Bessie met her husband Samuel.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Articlare/Articlare_Town/1517064
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Articlave/Articlave_Town/588072
Updated details posted in red
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Bessie Turner married 28 Sept.1894 Crossgar Presbyterian Church to Samuel Neilans.
Notice that in 1901 census James Turner is unmarried but in 1911 he;s a widower, so must have married and wife died within those years.
Another marriage- possible sister to Thomas Turner who married Charlotte Gaston:
Mary Jane Turner, dau. of Thomas Turner, m.(10 Feb.1859 Macosquin) William Matthews, son of John.
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Hi,
I can find a record of James Turner who married Annie Dunn on 31 May 1904 in Dunboe Presbyterian Church, Coleraine. There is also a record of an Annie Turner who died in Coleraine Registration District between Oct and Dec 1908.
Regards
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To Aghadowey and Kingskerswell ... ;D
One million thanks for the wealth of information regarding ADAMS & TURNER families. I have never received so much information in such a short space of time on any family history site - till I came here to RootsChat.com .... my goodness .... I am just speechless.
I didn't even know that some of the ADAMS family were in the war - only grandad ... this is ruddy brilliant. All this information is so new to me and a GREAT help - thank you both for taking time out of your busy schedule to find it.
It has, and will, make a big difference to my family tree information ... now all I have to do is get it all into the system on my computer .. ha, ha..
Please have a nice day, both of you, and once again, thank you for your surprisingly speedy replies.
Kindest regards ....
P.S. I noticed you removed some info as per Roots policy. I apologise if I have inadvertantly broken any rules - this was an oversight on my part. Thank you for the gentle reminder - much appreciated.
P.P.S. I just remembered, my grandfather, Thomas Adams was in the following:-
Royal Irish Rifles No: 10842
Royal Inniskilling Fusilers No: 43302
Royal Engineers No: WR/300983
He received the Victory Medal, British war medal and '15' Star. These were stolen years ago, but I intend to get copies to help remember his, and his comrades, efforts to make this a better world for all of us.
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I'm not related (or at least I don't know if I am related) to McCandlesses, but I am researching a short biography of the television presenter Anne Gregg who was from Belfast. It seems that Robert H. McCandless, a notable actor in Belfast, was her uncle, and from an internet family history site, (by Alan McCandless) it seems that Robert H. McCandless may have been from Coleraine, or at least had Coleraine antecedents. I'd like to know more; can anyone help? I suppose likely Anne Gregg's mother was a McCandless? I'd like to get at least a deathdate for R.H. McCandless, and any other biographical information would be welcome
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Any idea when he was born or his parents' names?
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Seems to be Moville rather than Coleraine? died 1971 according to this thread-
http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=384&p=surnames.mccandless
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Hi,
It may not be relevant but a Samuel McCandless married Annie Hutchinson in St. Parrick's Church of Ireland, Coleraine on 1 Aug 1876. I can only find three children, Ellen 1876, Agnes 1878 and Mary 1880,
all born in Coleraine.
Regards
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Moville! He seems to have got around! Carrickfergus also seems to think he belonged there or at least lived there. The information about the Coleraine link came from Alan McCandless's site; I don't know anything much about him. I couldn't figure out his antecedents from the 1911 census, so that's why I posted here. THanks to all anyway!
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Found a note from Alan McCandless' information: Two of Abram's daughters married McCandless brothers from Coleraine. This particular branch were interior decorators. The distinguished actor R.H. McCandless was a product of one of these marriages.
Then checked my files-
Abraham/Abram McCandless (c1800-1894) lived at Learden and married Mary Black. One son named Hutchinson (1835-1928) and he had a son Hutchinson (1904-1958). One daughter Annie (c1854) married Robert McCandless (c1842(, a house painter in Coleraine. Other daughters were Mary (m. Keers), Lizzie (m. Morrison), Margaret Ann- could be others?.
Robert McCandless (c1842-1915), house painter, lived at Railway Road in Coleraine, and married (1874) Annie McCandless (see above). Children: Mary, Sarah, Thomas, Anna, Lizzie, James, Martha, Robert John, Agnes, Eva Margretta, Ida Marion. Family attended Terrace Row Presbyterian Church.
Robert's brother, William McCandless of Ballymoney, Ballymena & Belfast was also a painter and married Sarah (I have her maiden name as McCandless with a question mark). Daughter Annie (1870 Moville, Donegal) m.(1898 Belfast) John Ussher Gregg. Other children: William James, Samuel Abraham, Mary Anne, Sarah, Jean, son, Eva G.L., Thomas Black AND Robert Hutchinson McCandless born 28 Jan.1884 Moville, Donegal.
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Hi,
On 21 Jul 1870 William McCandless did indeed marry Sarah McCandless in Ballylaggan Reformed Presbyterian Church, Macosquin, Coleraine.
On 23 Aug 1898 John Alexander ? Gregg married Annie McCandless in Broadway Presbyterian Church, Shankill, Belfast. Two different sites record the name Alexander
Regards
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This is all very interesting but confusing; I started on this query just today, so am very far from being up to speed. Unlike you all! Anne Gregg's obituary says R.H. McCandless was her uncle. But this isn't right is it? or at least he must be her great uncle.
Thanks to all who have checked for me; this will help me, I'm sure; it will give me a bit of a clue about where to look for Anne Gregg's parents; John Alexander/ Ussher Gregg and Annie McCandless must be her grandparents, because she was born in 1940 in e. Belfast
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A few years ago I started some in-depth research on the Coleraine McCandlesses. Working from memory (I will dig out my notes in the morning) here's what I can remember: Robert Hutcheson McC was one of the sons of William and Sarah McCandless. Sarah was a McCandless by maiden name and hailed from Macosquin. William was from the Dunluce branch of the family. They relocated to Moville where most of the children (including Robert Hutcheson) were born. Apparently Hutcheson McCandless (a relative of Sarah) would walk to Magilligan from Macosquin and row to Moville to visit the other family members. R.H and his family can be found in Ballymena in the 1901 census, where I believe a R.H was a pupil at Ballymena Academy. His father died in Thompson House in Lisburn. As well as an accomplished actor (James Ellis has sung his praises) he was a pharmacist by trade, ending his days in Carrickfergus. I should be able to shed much more light on the subject tomorrow when I can get my files.
Alan
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Welcome to Rootschat, Alan. The details you've posted so far make sense and in the 1911 census Robert H. McCandless is a chemist-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Botanic_Avenue/168329/
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Hi
i think your great grandparents are my great grandparents..
regards
Rhonda Adams
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Mary Adams (nee DOGHERTY) from Boho, Fermanagh area ::)
Hi Barney Elf, I'm Currently doing work on the same McGrath/Adams/McCandless/McKillop/Vauls that lived in Killowen and I've got the birth records for the same Mary Do(g)herty born 10/Mar/1865 in Coleraine and sister Ellen Do(g)herty born 01/Jun/1867 Coleraine borth having parents with the James Do(g)herty and Ellen McAlarry
and another Mary Do(g)herty born 04/Feb/1880 and married Johnny Adams son of the other Mary Do(g)herty in Killowen daughter of James Do(g)herty and Ann Dinsmore
as well as that im also working on Thomas Adams Sr wife's family Turner (and Turner/Matthews which is also mentioned on this page)
@ Aghadowey any ideas on where i can get my hands on the burial records for Ballylintagh Pres and the Old Kildollagh graveyard and where it would be?
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@ Aghadowey any ideas on where i can get my hands on the burial records for Ballylintagh Pres and the Old Kildollagh graveyard and where it would be?
There are no records for Balyllintagh Presbyterian Church (the only known surviving records are some marriages but even that's not complete). In general Presbyterians didn't keep bural records so all I have is headstones which were transcribed a few years ago (and not all plots/families would have had headstones).
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Hi folks ... can anyone add a little bit of info to the contents of my grandfather, Thomas Adams's medal card from WW1.
I know he fought at Galipolli before returning to France ..
Image removed
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Grandfather Thomas Adams, gallantry certificate for action at Dadizeele...
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We aren't allowed to post the full medal card (or images from Ancestry).
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Reply to Lindel
Anne Gregg was my cousin and yes her Grandparents were John Alexander Usher Gregg and Annie McCandless. I am Sharon Gregg Gunn . I can not be sure but I believe Annes Father was Kennneth Gregg ( Nan Gregg) . he was very close to my Father Reginald Usher Gregg