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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: bronmark5156 on Tuesday 02 November 10 12:15 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for Louise Adele Pope (born 1860) who was charged with robbery in January 1898 and may have been in Aylesbury Prison from that date. Is there a record of prisoners available and does the 1901 England Census record prisoners? (Louise's son Henry is recorded in the 1901 Census as a boarder with the Ricketts family in Aylesbury).
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Hi
does the 1901 England Census record prisoners?
Yes it does - where was she born and was Pope her married name or her maiden name
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Louise Adele Atkinson born 9 August 1860 in Appley. Married 1886 to Henry Pope and living in the Newington/Lambeth districts of London. 2 children (Henry Ward (1887) and Louise Adele (1888). I am guessing that she could still be in prison by the 1901 Census, and Aylesbury seems like a good bet, but her incarceration in other institutions could also be likely. Otherwise, Louise is nowhere else (that I can see at least) in that Census.
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Louise Adele Atkinson born 9 August 1860 in Appley
1891 shows Appleby Westmorland
Henry and daughter Louisa A are still in Newington in 1901 but I can't find Louisa. Henry is shown as married
RG13 Piece 385 Folio 110 Page 17
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Yes. Henry (father) and Louise Adele (daughter) are still living together by the 1911 census and Henry still recorded as 'married' but still no Louise Adele (wife/mother) showing up anywhere in that census. I am now wondering whether it is possible to access the court/criminal record somewhere ...this could give a clue to where Louise A. ended up and for how long.
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Sorry I can't be of much help, but there are a few records surviving for Aylesbury Prison and even some photo's of the inmates at The Centre For Buckinghamshire Studies.
http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/sites/bcc/archives/ea_libprisoners.page
Forgot to mention, that the older prison was behind the old Courthouse at the bottom of the Market Square.
Worth a look around.
Steve. :)
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Prison registers should have information about inmates. They usually give a detailed description of appearance and information about the crime, trial and prisoner's behaviour etc.
Additionally quarterly registers at The National Archives give basic details about prisoners' crimes, and their health.
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It's possible that she changed her name when she was released from prison. You say she was charged in 1898 - do you know that she was convicted?
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It could be possible that Louise Adele Pope changed her name upon release. An 1898 newspaper reported that she was charged on remand on 2 January 1898 at Lambeth Police Court for stealing goods from husband Henry. Are those court records available for viewing? I also understand that people in institutions were recorded in the 1911 census by their initials. There is an 'L.A.P.' (aged 50, housewife) recorded in that Census for the County Surrey, Reg. District Epsom (#31), Subdistrict Carshalton (#1). Age and initials are right.
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Hi
The Standard's newspaper account details the Lambeth police court (petty sessions now called magistrates court). The outcome was their was a plea of not guilty and they were remanded (with bail set of £20) for a trial at the South London sessions (quarter sessions). If that trial took place it does not mean Louise was convicted. She claimed she was only taking what belonged to her (a painoforte etc) for which she left a note and that her husband physically assualted her, something he admitted to but only what she provoked him. She was the housekeeper of John Gabbitas who helped her remove the property.
If she did stand trial and was convicted the sentence may have been a relatively short one, months or a couple of years, so she may not have still been in prison by the time of the census in 1901. If the sentence was longer she still may have left prison on parole and not served her full sentence.
For a woman living in London you might expect her to serve any prison time she did have to serve in a London prison.
The London quarter session records will be held at the London Metropolitan Archives.
John Gabbitas' age was given as 59 in the newspaper account, but from the 1891 census the John Gabbitas, occupation civil servant (deputy office keeper at her majesty's treasury in the newspaper account) was aged 60. RG12 399 folio 53. He was recorded as John R Gabbitas born Bromley Kent and married (marriage in 1852 in Marylebone).
Deaths Mar 1907 GABBITAS John Rosewell 79 Blean 2a 723
John Rosewell Gabbitas left a will. He was living in Canterbury a treasury pensioner. His executor was Frederick Gabbitas.
The couple were together on the 1901 census (I can't view the full image).
1901 census RG13
Scarborough Yorkshire
Louise A Atkinson 35 Appleby Westmoreland
John R Gabbitas 72 Bromley Kent
Esther Mann 26 Barnsley Yorkshire
Regards
Valda
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Hi ,
Thank you for the information. That is very interesting and does fit with what may have been happening with the family at the time! Is it possible to advise me how I may access the Standard newspaper report you refer to?
Thank you.
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Hi
The longer account is in 'The Standard' and a short account in Reynold's newspaper
http://gale.cengage.co.uk/product-highlights/history/19th-century-british-library-newspapers.aspx
or many local authority libraries give access to this resource so through your local authority library membership (that includes I believe in Austalia).
Regards
Valda
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Hi,
Thank you, I now have access to the British newspapers. The articles have confirmed a separation of Henry Pope and Louise Adele (nee Atkinson) who appears to have moved to the north with John Gabbitas. There has also been some suggestion that Louise may have re-married to an Arthur John Smith(?). This could explain the 'family myth' that Louise had another daughter later; I am still pursuing this.
Regards
Mark
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Are there any prison records for the period 1720. I am looking for details of Edward Pocock who was hanged at Aylesbury prison . He was buried at the church in Watlinton Oxon.
Any help will be appreciated.
Many thanks
Cyril Dean